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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Jakamakala
United States115 Posts
On September 12 2017 06:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I propose we ban all accounts called avilo. I expected the terran to play a dozey blind defensive mech game and instead I got aggressive waves of mech thrown at me. How dare these mass avilo accounts ruin ladder! Heh I've done that before. Changed my name to avilo, got into GM, changed my portrait to Kachinsky, and got into his clan. Got at least 20 free wins from auto leaves and people preparing for a turtle style of play instead of a quick 5:00 double medivac marine drop. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On September 12 2017 05:35 Psychobabas wrote: Kripparian from Hearthstone had a group of people that constantly streamsniped him. He gathered lots of proof and Blizzard actually banned them all. looks like the idiot above me just showed exactly what i mean That's insane that he still has the best arena winrate by far. | ||
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DonaldM1978
7 Posts
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DonaldM1978
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NonY
8748 Posts
On September 12 2017 05:35 Psychobabas wrote: Kripparian from Hearthstone had a group of people that constantly streamsniped him. He gathered lots of proof and Blizzard actually banned them all. I want to clarify that in the SC2 community we usually distinguish between knowing when to hit find match to get a particular opponent (sniping) and watching your opponent's stream while you play against him (ghosting). Sniping isn't totally fair play, since you're gaming the matchmaking system, but it's not really harmful enough to be frowned upon. I myself sniped Hyun when he was 70-0 or whatever on NA. Ghosting, on the other hand, is straight-up cheating and is never okay. I'm not really sure that there are many Hearthstone snipers that aren't ghosting so the two are pretty much synonymous in that community. But in SC2, many people are thrilled to have a chance to play against certain players, so they snipe, close the stream, and then give it their best fair shot. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
thank you avilo for being the hero we deserve. you keep sc2, a daed game, alive with your antics. you are 100000x more entertaining than idra | ||
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LtCalley
United States244 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:15 NonY wrote: I want to clarify that in the SC2 community we usually distinguish between knowing when to hit find match to get a particular opponent (sniping) and watching your opponent's stream while you play against him (ghosting). Sniping isn't totally fair play, since you're gaming the matchmaking system, but it's not really harmful enough to be frowned upon. I myself sniped Hyun when he was 70-0 or whatever on NA. Ghosting, on the other hand, is straight-up cheating and is never okay. I'm not really sure that there are many Hearthstone snipers that aren't ghosting so the two are pretty much synonymous in that community. But in SC2, many people are thrilled to have a chance to play against certain players, so they snipe, close the stream, and then give it their best fair shot. this...unless you're doing it repeatedly to the point of harassment, i don't see a problem with 'sniping'.....'stream cheating' however is an actual problem | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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SlammerSC2
77 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Also, it's avilo, so when he claims that everybody is stream watching and sniping him, it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Its kinda easy to see hes getting sniped when he take a long pause after games to watch replay and thereafter instant Q into the same opponent. | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:15 NonY wrote: I want to clarify that in the SC2 community we usually distinguish between knowing when to hit find match to get a particular opponent (sniping) and watching your opponent's stream while you play against him (ghosting). Sniping isn't totally fair play, since you're gaming the matchmaking system, but it's not really harmful enough to be frowned upon. I myself sniped Hyun when he was 70-0 or whatever on NA. Ghosting, on the other hand, is straight-up cheating and is never okay. I'm not really sure that there are many Hearthstone snipers that aren't ghosting so the two are pretty much synonymous in that community. But in SC2, many people are thrilled to have a chance to play against certain players, so they snipe, close the stream, and then give it their best fair shot. I have a question, coming just from my ignorance from the subject (I specify it because I have no intention to flame, just to profit from the experience of streamers / pro-players posting here): is it possible to avoid the "ghosting" problem by setting a long delay time for the stream? This seems an easy solution, so I guess that it does not work very well  and I'm wandering why.Maybe sniping is still possible with some guessing, but ghosting should be much harder with a ˜5min delay. Does this impact the quality of the stream (e.g. more difficult to interact with the chat and the people watching)? thanks! | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:51 VHbb wrote: I have a question, coming just from my ignorance from the subject (I specify it because I have no intention to flame, just to profit from the experience of streamers / pro-players posting here): is it possible to avoid the "ghosting" problem by setting a long delay time for the stream? This seems an easy solution, so I guess that it does not work very well and I'm wandering why.Maybe sniping is still possible with some guessing, but ghosting should be much harder with a ˜5min delay. Does this impact the quality of the stream (e.g. more difficult to interact with the chat and the people watching)? thanks! Yeah it solves the problem but as you said, career streamers will make more money by having no delay and actively interacting with their viewers. Better to keep the delay low so you can be interactive and use your exposure to cheaters as a way to generate drama and entertainment. A progamer that's just being nice and sharing some practice with the world can set a long delay and forget that they're even streaming. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:51 VHbb wrote: I have a question, coming just from my ignorance from the subject (I specify it because I have no intention to flame, just to profit from the experience of streamers / pro-players posting here): is it possible to avoid the "ghosting" problem by setting a long delay time for the stream? This seems an easy solution, so I guess that it does not work very well and I'm wandering why.Maybe sniping is still possible with some guessing, but ghosting should be much harder with a ˜5min delay. Does this impact the quality of the stream (e.g. more difficult to interact with the chat and the people watching)? thanks! This ruins viewer interaction which is a huge part of how most streamers gain / retain an audience. A better solution would be to scene switch when not in a game and wait a random amount of time to queue back up so you don't show when you're in queue, but this has a bunch of inherent problems as well and it would still be possible to snipe someone because you'd still have a general idea of when they're queue'ing. You can actually snipe people just by having them on your friends list too. And it doesn't solve stream cheating in any way, which is the actual issue. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:51 VHbb wrote: I have a question, coming just from my ignorance from the subject (I specify it because I have no intention to flame, just to profit from the experience of streamers / pro-players posting here): is it possible to avoid the "ghosting" problem by setting a long delay time for the stream? This seems an easy solution, so I guess that it does not work very well and I'm wandering why.Maybe sniping is still possible with some guessing, but ghosting should be much harder with a ˜5min delay. Does this impact the quality of the stream (e.g. more difficult to interact with the chat and the people watching)? thanks! Nony basically already answered this. Using a delay makes it really difficult to interact with your audience on-the-fly. Ofc as Nony already said if you're strictly a pro-gamer and streaming is a 2nd form of revenue for you then it might not matter if you use a delay because you're mostly just interested in getting in practice games and just happen to be streaming so people can watch them. Personally, i'm mostly an SC2 person that's stream-focused atm rather than pro-gamer focused or tournament focused. I've used a delay before on my stream two or so times in the past, using a 5 minute delay. My winrate during those streaming sessions where i had the delay on jumped up dramatically, to something around 80 or 90% of ladder games i was managing to win. I remember one of them i had won 11/12 games. So yeh, a delay definitely does work wonders, but it makes it a pain in the ass for interaction. Honestly, i hope more people discuss the strictly player perspective of barcode accounts. Would it not be good if at least Grandmasters / Masters league made non-barcodes mandatory so you can see who you are playing against? If for example it's Nony VS lllllllllllllll on ladder regardless of how good Nony is or whoever player X is in that situation versus the barcode....the barcode gets a free information advantage because he knows he's playing versus "Nony." Am i saying this means so and so won't beat a barcode? Hell no. But is there any way to really deny using a barcode account is blatantly giving you an information advantage? I doubt anyone can argue against this, i'd like to hear a good argument of how a barcode does not give you an advantage versus a player using a known account name. Also, please (as usual with my threads) i'd appreciate it if people would read and discuss the content not ad hominem versus me that wrote it. I'm honestly wondering if i can ask at TL admin/mod if i can make an anon account here for posts like this because it's hard as fuck to discuss anything without people immediately going ad hominem to my name even when i have legit points. (and yes i see the irony of asking to be able to post anon in a thread discussing barcodes xD) People seem to be de-railing the thread a little bit talking about stream sniping which was just a side-note compared to the main discussion point i wanted to bring up which were barcode accounts themselves and whether or not it's fair for people to be able to use them on the ladder. | ||
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VHbb
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On September 12 2017 09:49 ReachTheSky wrote: Avilo-nothing is stopping you from being anonymous as well. Just use a barcode and ffs put a god damn stream delay on. Problem solved. I dislike Avilo as much as the next person... but barcode is stupid as fuck, and telling someone else to just do the same thing is quite simply making the problem worse. That SAID... +1 on the second point. Stream delay man, or just don't display that part. Not that hard. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
It's all a joke. Big whoop, even in theory. Oh, no... my ladder opponent knows me but I don't know him. Omg, if only I played solid builds. Boo hoo. | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On September 12 2017 09:49 ReachTheSky wrote: Avilo-nothing is stopping you from being anonymous as well. Just use a barcode and ffs put a god damn stream delay on. Problem solved. This! | ||
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