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7 Chinese Players Banned: Match-fixing & Smurfing - Page 5

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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
June 11 2017 23:13 GMT
#81
And there you go
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 12 2017 06:12 GMT
#82
Terrible, when will players learn that this kind of stuff doesn't fly. You'd think Savior and Life would've showed that it's terrible to do this yet it keeps happens -_-
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
June 12 2017 06:48 GMT
#83
And you would think the 1919 Black Sox Scandal would show the dangers of fixing sporting events. But no.

The more things change the more they stay the same...greed never changes.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 12 2017 06:58 GMT
#84
On June 12 2017 15:12 BigFan wrote:
Terrible, when will players learn that this kind of stuff doesn't fly. You'd think Savior and Life would've showed that it's terrible to do this yet it keeps happens -_-

What makes you think that everyone matchfixing gets caught though? Isn't it pretty likely that there is a fair amount of matchfixing going on that never gets revealed? Maybe it's actually a good way for players to get a proper salary, with only a small risk.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11984 Posts
June 12 2017 10:47 GMT
#85
On June 12 2017 15:58 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 15:12 BigFan wrote:
Terrible, when will players learn that this kind of stuff doesn't fly. You'd think Savior and Life would've showed that it's terrible to do this yet it keeps happens -_-

What makes you think that everyone matchfixing gets caught though? Isn't it pretty likely that there is a fair amount of matchfixing going on that never gets revealed? Maybe it's actually a good way for players to get a proper salary, with only a small risk.


It is a common problem when you have people in the position to change where lots of money go, but them not getting any of those lots of money. (Or especially not enough money to live a stable live). There are going to be some people who offer part of the money to make sure that the lots of money goes their way. And it is tempting to take that money, if you don't make lots of money.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 12 2017 12:10 GMT
#86
On June 12 2017 19:47 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 15:58 Cascade wrote:
On June 12 2017 15:12 BigFan wrote:
Terrible, when will players learn that this kind of stuff doesn't fly. You'd think Savior and Life would've showed that it's terrible to do this yet it keeps happens -_-

What makes you think that everyone matchfixing gets caught though? Isn't it pretty likely that there is a fair amount of matchfixing going on that never gets revealed? Maybe it's actually a good way for players to get a proper salary, with only a small risk.


It is a common problem when you have people in the position to change where lots of money go, but them not getting any of those lots of money. (Or especially not enough money to live a stable live). There are going to be some people who offer part of the money to make sure that the lots of money goes their way. And it is tempting to take that money, if you don't make lots of money.

Yeah, that's more or less what I'm think as well. It all comes from more money being in the (illegal) gambling scene than in progamer salaries.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16089 Posts
June 12 2017 12:55 GMT
#87
On June 12 2017 15:58 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 15:12 BigFan wrote:
Terrible, when will players learn that this kind of stuff doesn't fly. You'd think Savior and Life would've showed that it's terrible to do this yet it keeps happens -_-

What makes you think that everyone matchfixing gets caught though? Isn't it pretty likely that there is a fair amount of matchfixing going on that never gets revealed? Maybe it's actually a good way for players to get a proper salary, with only a small risk.

Considering we had multiple insiders saying matchfixing was rampant in korea and every few weeks the bets on pinnacle got voided it's a pretty safe assumption to say that there were much more matchfixers.
Just a shame that Life of all people was caught.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
munitqua
Profile Joined November 2015
12 Posts
June 12 2017 13:16 GMT
#88
On June 10 2017 12:57 DARKING wrote:
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On June 10 2017 12:56 digmouse wrote:
On June 10 2017 12:48 DARKING wrote:
Match fixing is bad, so I can see why Punk and Coffee got punished, but smurfing? I'm guessing the context here is important, because just smurfing does not seem a terrible thing to do. What were the specific circumstances about the smurfing in this case?


They smurfed on other's accounts to play in tournaments on their behalf. What this should be called in English?

Account sharing perhaps?


Essentially its the same as cheating.
Just like letting someone else do your exam at University or something.
gtmdhxd
Profile Joined June 2017
2 Posts
June 13 2017 03:34 GMT
#89
On June 10 2017 23:38 TKL wrote:
Feels bad for coffee, decent player. I guess now the chinese scene belongs to cyan and Time


the first tier of CN pro player is TIME and IA (KR mmr 6500), toodming is between first and second tier. others is in second and third tier..
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 13 2017 03:53 GMT
#90
What a goddamn shame
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
tub74557
Profile Joined November 2014
China25 Posts
June 13 2017 06:55 GMT
#91
On June 13 2017 12:34 gtmdhxd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 23:38 TKL wrote:
Feels bad for coffee, decent player. I guess now the chinese scene belongs to cyan and Time


the first tier of CN pro player is TIME and IA (KR mmr 6500), toodming is between first and second tier. others is in second and third tier..


Your ID is very Niu B!
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
June 15 2017 17:15 GMT
#92
For match fixing offences, these seem pretty lenient. If you did this outside of China, you'd be banned from all competitive competition for life.
deepseer
Profile Joined August 2015
31 Posts
June 16 2017 02:03 GMT
#93
On June 12 2017 15:58 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 15:12 BigFan wrote:
Terrible, when will players learn that this kind of stuff doesn't fly. You'd think Savior and Life would've showed that it's terrible to do this yet it keeps happens -_-

What makes you think that everyone matchfixing gets caught though? Isn't it pretty likely that there is a fair amount of matchfixing going on that never gets revealed? Maybe it's actually a good way for players to get a proper salary, with only a small risk.


Someone reported the match fixing and other frauds to the match organizer, and the organizer immediately asked Netease and Blizzard to check every game of the match (IP address, micromanagement, etc).
According to Xiaose, among those who were reported, 7 were confirmed, while another was exonerated.
All others that participated in the match but not mentioned in the list were also checked, and no fraud was found.
deva1984
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany6 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 18:05:07
June 16 2017 17:58 GMT
#94
On June 12 2017 21:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Considering we had multiple insiders saying matchfixing was rampant in korea and every few weeks the bets on pinnacle got voided it's a pretty safe assumption to say that there were much more matchfixers.
Just a shame that Life of all people was caught.

Could you please refresh me those insiders and maybe what exactly and when they said that?


On June 10 2017 15:41 valas991 wrote:
So, upcoming chinese player match-fix, 1,5-2 year ban
A well known player (Life) match-fixes, perma ban.

I understand that they are different region, and different kind of players, but they did the same crime,in same game, should've same punishments imo.

I agree the punishments of some players have got are lenient indeed. But other regions are not doing better. Except South Korea. They have developed corresponding laws and rules.

Life was actually prosecuted by law enforcer. That along is a great difference.
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 13:50:48
June 18 2017 18:58 GMT
#95
In light of the recent penalties handed out by Blizzard to Punk, Coffee, Silky, BreakingGG, JIN, Park and JaxMine/麦乐鸡块, and further investigation ourselves, the OSC Team have decided to follow Blizzard and Netease's direction and match the penalties given to the players involved.

In addition to the time bans, all 7 players will have their 2017 OSC Points reduced to 0 (effective immediately), and will be unable to participate in all OSC Partnered Tournaments/earn points + rewards until their ban duration expires.

This point penalty is implemented as not to deny rule abiding players and teams any direct and indirect benefits from our ongoing rankings in both the Player + Team Championships, by a rank that one of these players may currently hold.

Although JIN, Park, BreakingGG & JaxMine's offences were in a tournament not directly connected to League (Punk, Coffee & Silky were committed in an OSC Partnered Tournament), a connection to our partners is there, and as such we act to support our partners at Blizzard and the organizers behind Kung Fu Cup, with a unified League wide response.

The OSC team does not condone match-fixing, smurfing, or any other unsportsmanlike actions in StarCraft II. Players are warned not to be involved with such acts as they will be heavily punished. We hope that the punished players should use the ban duration to fully reflect on their actions and not repeat their offence again.

We acknowledge these were the actions of individuals, and not representative of an entire community or team. We reiterate that OSC remains committed to supporting the Chinese scene, with events like CN Weekly, All Stars, and other Partnered Events and additional rewards for all who play within the spirit of the competition! We hope the community will stay together and not let the action of 7 players discourage them from competing, or organizations from supporting all the other many players who are very well deserving!

Thank you,
OSC Management

-----------------------------------------

Chinese translation:

有鑑於Blizzard的懲處公告,「Punk」、「Coffee」、「Silky」、「BreakingGG」、「JIN」、「
Park」、「JaxMine(麦乐鸡块)」,再加上我們更進一步的調查後,OSC團隊決定遵從Blizzard及網
易遊戲的判決,並給予涉及違規的玩家應當的懲罰。

除了時間禁令之外,所有七名選手的「2017年OSC積分」將歸零(立即生效),並且將無法參加所
有與OSC合作的賽事/獲得積分和獎勵,直到禁賽期限屆滿為止。

已經登錄的四月和五月的隊伍積分不會因為這次事件而減少或更動。 但是,這些球員無法在六月禁
賽期間為隊伍獲得積分。

雖然「JIN」、「Park」、「BreakingGG」、「JaxMine」並不是在本聯賽中違規,也和本聯賽並未
有直接關係(Punk、Coffee、Silky承認在OSC合作的賽事中違規),但為了與其他賽事夥伴有一致的
作法,我們在此統一公開回應將支持Blizzard與功夫盃賽事單位對這些選手的懲處。

OSC團隊絕不縱容在《星海爭霸2》中假賽、代打或任何違反運動道德的行為,警告玩家不要再有這
樣的行為,否則將有嚴重的懲罰。並希望被懲處的選手應在禁賽期間充分反省,不要再犯。

我們認為這些犯行僅止於個人,和整個社群或隊伍無關。並重申,OSC仍然致力於中華地區的賽事
,像是「CN Weekly」、「All Stars」和其他合作賽事。且提供獎勵給擁有競技精神的選手!
我們希望所有的人可以同心協力,不要讓這七位選手的行為使我們喪失對比賽的熱情,或是使想贊
助《星海爭霸2》的團體失去支持值得勉勵的選手的信心。

謝謝,
OSC Management

Translation from AzureRush、TopRush
A.L.Gaming Studio

翻譯自 AzureRush、TopRush
A.L.Gaming Studio
xd
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
June 19 2017 23:30 GMT
#96
When I first read it I thought they were banned for just playing under a different name on ladder. Playing as someone else in a tournament is obviously not good though.
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