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On March 30 2017 19:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 19:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On March 30 2017 19:36 Elentos wrote:On March 30 2017 19:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What did Avilo say that he got punished for? I reckon this had to do with it: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dChLN3m.png) Ok lol. I thought he just talked trash to the hacking cheater which while not smart would be understandable. He did that too, but I assume the Kaelaris comment didn't help at all.
How does what i post on my own blog, or livestream, or whatever matter for any of this? Answer? It doesn't. Nathanias, pig, kaelaris, list goes on and other players/casters have said worse or similar bs about other players or personalities in the scene and they receive zero punishment because they work for blizzard.
Kaelaris/pig trying to take a verbal shit on my name on a live cast in front of thousands of people, while also at the same time pretending hacking does not exist...this is allowed. But i run into a hacker, a known hacker, show evidence, and get punished for exposing the hacker...because of a post i make on reddit outside of the sphere of the tourney? Yeah.
This system is basically bullshit. Nothing was done about the same hacker i played over a year ago, they said the same exact canned response " we'll look into it." I got rightfully angry nothing was done this time and i got robbed of my qualifier spjot.
Then they find another excuse to ban me and not allow me to get my chance to qualify after they backtrack and realize that the guy does indeed maphack after they paraded him around on their live stream in front of thousands of viewers.
I mean...it's just ego at this point. They didn't want to admit i was right and they were wrong. So they continue to try and blacklist me for whatever bullshit reasons they can find.
I stick by what i said, and i deserve another shot at the first qualifier just like the other people that got robbed that had to play against Nero even after they were shown tons of evidence before and after my match that he was a KNOWN maphacker.
They of course will not punish their casters for being biased or trying to talk shit about me live on casts because they condone that type of thing. It's clear they have wanted me out of the scene since they permabanned me from the blizzard forums for posting about 3 rax reaper a few months ago.
Guess what, i'm not going anywhere. Maybe instead of continually taking a shit on the players still left in the SC2 scene, they should consider trying to treat the players left fairly and banning cheaters from their tourneys and LISTENING to the players.
That's kind of the crux of all of this. Blizzard does not listen to it's player base anymore.
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On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.
ROFL.
Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.
OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.
But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.
Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier.
Are they so afraid you would win the entire thing so decidedly the very thought of you participating is too much for them to the point they need ban you?
i mean, they are so triggered that you were right about vindicta and they were freaking wrong, they are seizuring on the floor grasping madly at straws to punish you which is just them projecting their anger from you being right about him cheating in the first place!
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On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from other people in power fromtheir respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with greater power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs? It doesn't exist without these qualities and it is one of the MAJOR reasons the scene is in it's current state. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.
This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him.
On March 30 2017 20:49 FoxDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.
ROFL.
Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.
OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.
But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.
Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier. Are they so afraid you would win the entire thing so decidedly the very thought of you participating is too much for them to the point they need ban you? i mean, they are so triggered that you were right about vindicta and they were freaking wrong, they are seizuring on the floor grasping madly at straws to punish you which is just them projecting their anger from you being right about him cheating in the first place!
Are you guys trolling? Or are you guys "stupid"(dont know if he is playing his role or not) as avilo? A guy, who insults his oponnents and blame them as "hacker" in live stram, should get his chance and need support? Are you ... serious? He wasn't only angry and mad, he INSULTED A CASTER in a OFFICIAL BLIZZARD TOURNAMENT Qualfier in FRONT OF THOUSANDS VIEWERS? So they should ignore it, and let him play like if nothing happened? I seriously dont know, if you guys are avilo in his "other" Teamliquid accounts or ignorant stupid kids, thinking behaving like him is normal thing.
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Can someone explain this to me...
"In the course of our investigation, we discovered that Vindicta was one of several players logging into accounts that had been actioned for hacking in the past, and also had known hackers logging onto accounts under his name. "
The Blizzard rep in the initial thread said that Nero had been accused and investigated last year during WCS, but they didn't find anything. Now Blizzard cites this reason saying he's gone in accounts that have been actioned for hacking, and has had hackers log in to his account.
So did Blizzard ACTUALLY take this accusation seriously last year and do any investigation at all? Or did they actually have to take it seriously this time around given the community/player (jason, ruff, noregret, etc...) backlash they received?
So if investigations are all after the fact, then that means Nero or any hacker (or former hacker) could potentially enter into every qualifier, and after an investigation is done post-tournament, the players affected have to replay for a spot? Seems like that ends up being very frustrating for the players and very inefficient overall.
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If blizzard refuses to reverse their ban on Avilo, they are literally saying to the community the following:
1:good manners > good gameplay, even though people don't tune in to watch how nice some acts, viewers tune in to see good game play. Perhaps this should be called the world morals series to see who can be morally correct on a more frequent basis than their opponent.
2:we prefer to conditionally enforce rules, play favorites, turn a blind eye when it comes to the in-crowd when it comes to enforcing policy and like to avoid giving equal opportunities, even to underdogs.
3:we don't value the community, we value what the oldboys club/old guard thinks over all because they(oldboys club) want to keep their status as progamers and are afraid to face avilo in a televised match should he qualify and crush them.
4:we don't value integrity, fair competition, equal opportunity, equal treatment among all our players. Even though the one being pentalize has promoted their championship game the longest out of all the remaining players via publicly access streams.
Reverse the ban.
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On March 30 2017 21:05 TsogiMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from other people in power fromtheir respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with greater power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs? It doesn't exist without these qualities and it is one of the MAJOR reasons the scene is in it's current state. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.
This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him. Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 20:49 FoxDog wrote:On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.
ROFL.
Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.
OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.
But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.
Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier. Are they so afraid you would win the entire thing so decidedly the very thought of you participating is too much for them to the point they need ban you? i mean, they are so triggered that you were right about vindicta and they were freaking wrong, they are seizuring on the floor grasping madly at straws to punish you which is just them projecting their anger from you being right about him cheating in the first place! Are you guys trolling? Or are you guys "stupid"(dont know if he is playing his role or not) as avilo? A guy, who insults his oponnents and blame them as "hacker" in live stram, should get his chance and need support? Are you ... serious? He wasn't only angry and mad, he INSULTED A CASTER in a OFFICIAL BLIZZARD TOURNAMENT Qualfier in FRONT OF THOUSANDS VIEWERS? So they should ignore it, and let him play like if nothing happened? I seriously dont know, if you guys are avilo in his "other" Teamliquid accounts or ignorant stupid kids, thinking behaving like him is normal thing.
Avilo insulted them in his own private arena, his live stream. WCS caster could have prevent anything from being shown on any official stream. If anything did get shown, the casters should be held accountable for anything within their official stream, and should be punished from not controlling their own environment(their stream), not Avilo.
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On March 30 2017 21:05 TsogiMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from other people in power fromtheir respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with greater power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs? It doesn't exist without these qualities and it is one of the MAJOR reasons the scene is in it's current state. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.
This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him. Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 20:49 FoxDog wrote:On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.
ROFL.
Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.
OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.
But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.
Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier. Are they so afraid you would win the entire thing so decidedly the very thought of you participating is too much for them to the point they need ban you? i mean, they are so triggered that you were right about vindicta and they were freaking wrong, they are seizuring on the floor grasping madly at straws to punish you which is just them projecting their anger from you being right about him cheating in the first place! Are you guys trolling? Or are you guys "stupid"(dont know if he is playing his role or not) as avilo? A guy, who insults his oponnents and blame them as "hacker" in live stram, should get his chance and need support? Are you ... serious? He wasn't only angry and mad, he INSULTED A CASTER in a OFFICIAL BLIZZARD TOURNAMENT Qualfier in FRONT OF THOUSANDS VIEWERS? So they should ignore it, and let him play like if nothing happened? I seriously dont know, if you guys are avilo in his "other" Teamliquid accounts or ignorant stupid kids, thinking behaving like him is normal thing.
Someone being toxic and having a poor attitude doesn't give other people the right to be that way. Have you seen some of the stuff that is said to Avilo in the reddit threads? Or anyone they think may agree with any points made by Avilo? Users who brought up Nero's history faced a lot of insults, just because Avilo brought up the initial accusation.
In terms of the insults.... Kaelaris bashed Avilo on the main stream. That is highly unprofessional. And did you see the reddit thread where Avilo replied with that insult? Ironic how so many cry about toxicity but then end up being incredibly toxic and spit some horrific vitriol. Not at ALL debating that Avilo didn't have a poor attitude. just saying that there is no justification to say that because someone is toxic, that you are justified in behaving that way or worse.
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"First, we conclude that Vindicta did not use hacks during his most recent WCS Challenger matches.
Second, in the many public ladder matches reviewed by us, Vindicta was either not using hacks, or the reported account was not piloted by Vindicta at that time."
He wasn't hacking, and most likely never hacked. Someone whom he shared his account with hacked. Not him. How is that difficult to understand? Avilo was wrong and lost straight up, then broke tournament rules and got himself disqualified. lol
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I demand to see their "investigation". Avilo was one of multiple players that tournament who had reported Vindicta/was suspicious of his gameplay. BTW, Blizzard, Did you know there is an UNDETECTABLE hack for your game? You can't even tell if someone is hacking anymore these days. SMH.
Blizzard's/WCS's transparency here is poor at best and their story is so flawed it's not even funny.
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On March 30 2017 21:20 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 21:05 TsogiMaster wrote:On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from other people in power fromtheir respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with greater power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs? It doesn't exist without these qualities and it is one of the MAJOR reasons the scene is in it's current state. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.
This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him. On March 30 2017 20:49 FoxDog wrote:On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.
ROFL.
Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.
OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.
But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.
Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier. Are they so afraid you would win the entire thing so decidedly the very thought of you participating is too much for them to the point they need ban you? i mean, they are so triggered that you were right about vindicta and they were freaking wrong, they are seizuring on the floor grasping madly at straws to punish you which is just them projecting their anger from you being right about him cheating in the first place! Are you guys trolling? Or are you guys "stupid"(dont know if he is playing his role or not) as avilo? A guy, who insults his oponnents and blame them as "hacker" in live stram, should get his chance and need support? Are you ... serious? He wasn't only angry and mad, he INSULTED A CASTER in a OFFICIAL BLIZZARD TOURNAMENT Qualfier in FRONT OF THOUSANDS VIEWERS? So they should ignore it, and let him play like if nothing happened? I seriously dont know, if you guys are avilo in his "other" Teamliquid accounts or ignorant stupid kids, thinking behaving like him is normal thing. Avilo insulted them in his own private arena, his live stream. WCS caster could have prevent anything from being shown on any official stream. If anything did get shown, the casters should be held accountable for anything within their official stream, and should be punished from not controlling their own environment(their stream), not Avilo.
What. It's not a private space if it's on stream.
Three are a lot of important lessons being dolled out today: people are learning left and right that what they say and do might have repercussions.
If you don't want people to judge/hold you accountable for what you say, write it down in a little spiral notebook that you don't share with anyone.
That's how you can avoid this situation.
People keep saying 'it's just because it's avilo' - which I would disagree with. It is, however, 'just because of his actions.' if you throw temper tantrums, and start insulting everyone all over the place, that won't win you any favors, and (in this case, since it is against the clearly stated rules) get you DQ'd from the tournament.
On March 30 2017 21:28 ReachTheSky wrote:
I demand to see their "investigation". Avilo was one of multiple players that tournament who had reported Vindicta/was suspicious of his gameplay. BTW, Blizzard, Did you know there is an UNDETECTABLE hack for your game? You can't even tell if someone is hacking anymore these days. SMH.
Blizzard's/WCS's transparency here is poor at best and their story is so flawed it's not even funny.
Lol. What. You 'demand' to see this investigation?
Blizzard has no need to be transparent. They've already said their piece.
You got what you wanted: the bad guy was banned, and in throwing a fit, your guy got DQ'd as well.
Edit: victus was banned because of account sharing (according to the shared information). That is a lot easier for them to prove than hacks, since it's not like Blizzard keeps a replay of every match played
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This is literally the most interesting SC2 has been in a long time and yet blizzard/wcs wants to ruin it lol. Lets all act like conditioned superficial boring robots, surely those sc2 nerds will want to see that! No one can relate to that nonsense. enough of of this white knight moral nonsense. That's not what this game is about and it's not why people watch starcraft. So what, he called commentator a beta cuck, who cares, i'm pretty sure the rest of the commentator staff believes the same thing. Hell, Tasteless always manages to make Kaelaris out to look like a beta cuck on stream anyway so what difference does it make?
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On March 30 2017 21:21 yhellothere12 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 21:05 TsogiMaster wrote:On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from other people in power fromtheir respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with greater power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs? It doesn't exist without these qualities and it is one of the MAJOR reasons the scene is in it's current state. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.
This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him. On March 30 2017 20:49 FoxDog wrote:On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.
ROFL.
Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.
OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.
But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.
Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier. Are they so afraid you would win the entire thing so decidedly the very thought of you participating is too much for them to the point they need ban you? i mean, they are so triggered that you were right about vindicta and they were freaking wrong, they are seizuring on the floor grasping madly at straws to punish you which is just them projecting their anger from you being right about him cheating in the first place! Are you guys trolling? Or are you guys "stupid"(dont know if he is playing his role or not) as avilo? A guy, who insults his oponnents and blame them as "hacker" in live stram, should get his chance and need support? Are you ... serious? He wasn't only angry and mad, he INSULTED A CASTER in a OFFICIAL BLIZZARD TOURNAMENT Qualfier in FRONT OF THOUSANDS VIEWERS? So they should ignore it, and let him play like if nothing happened? I seriously dont know, if you guys are avilo in his "other" Teamliquid accounts or ignorant stupid kids, thinking behaving like him is normal thing. Someone being toxic and having a poor attitude doesn't give other people the right to be that way. Have you seen some of the stuff that is said to Avilo in the reddit threads? Or anyone they think may agree with any points made by Avilo? Users who brought up Nero's history faced a lot of insults, just because Avilo brought up the initial accusation. In terms of the insults.... Kaelaris bashed Avilo on the main stream. That is highly unprofessional. And did you see the reddit thread where Avilo replied with that insult? Ironic how so many cry about toxicity but then end up being incredibly toxic and spit some horrific vitriol. Not at ALL debating that Avilo didn't have a poor attitude. just saying that there is no justification to say that because someone is toxic, that you are justified in behaving that way or worse.
I am talking here about AVILO and HIS CHANCE TO PLAY THE QUALIFIER AGAIN. I didnt say others can behave same as avilo. But are they playing for a TOURNAMENT, or are they known? Do you know how much people behave like him in internet? Millions of insult, disrespectful comments in youtube or facebook. I dont care about these comments, also I dont care what people say about avilo in reddit, twitter or anywhere else. If he is trying to play a Official tournament, he should to know how to behave. Its about him, not the others.
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On March 30 2017 21:17 ReachTheSky wrote:
If blizzard refuses to reverse their ban on Avilo, they are literally saying to the community the following:
1:good manners > good gameplay, even though people don't tune in to watch how nice some acts, viewers tune in to see good game play. Perhaps this should be called the world morals series to see who can be morally correct on a more frequent basis than their opponent.
2:we prefer to conditionally enforce rules, play favorites, turn a blind eye when it comes to the in-crowd when it comes to enforcing policy and like to avoid giving equal opportunities, even to underdogs.
3:we don't value the community, we value what the oldboys club/old guard thinks over all because they(oldboys club) want to keep their status as progamers and are afraid to face avilo in a televised match should he qualify and crush them.
4:we don't value integrity, fair competition, equal opportunity, equal treatment among all our players. Even though the one being pentalize has promoted their championship game the longest out of all the remaining players via publicly access streams.
Reverse the ban.
You keep bringing up the same points over and over again. I tried to ask counter questions but you have neither addressed or answered criticisms. Neither mine nor others. If you arent willing to answer, and thus explain your point of view, why then should others try to understand where you are coming from?
You have for instance already lost me, as I no motivation anymore to specifically understand where the oldboys club stuff is coming from. You say it like it is a given. It isnt... at least to me. Unless I have seriously misjudged the posts by others, I'd say that you are in the minority with that opinion.
Edit: OK OK you have answered some. Just not as many as I thought you would, instead you keep posting your points over and over.
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On March 30 2017 21:35 nachtkap wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 21:17 ReachTheSky wrote:
If blizzard refuses to reverse their ban on Avilo, they are literally saying to the community the following:
1:good manners > good gameplay, even though people don't tune in to watch how nice some acts, viewers tune in to see good game play. Perhaps this should be called the world morals series to see who can be morally correct on a more frequent basis than their opponent.
2:we prefer to conditionally enforce rules, play favorites, turn a blind eye when it comes to the in-crowd when it comes to enforcing policy and like to avoid giving equal opportunities, even to underdogs.
3:we don't value the community, we value what the oldboys club/old guard thinks over all because they(oldboys club) want to keep their status as progamers and are afraid to face avilo in a televised match should he qualify and crush them.
4:we don't value integrity, fair competition, equal opportunity, equal treatment among all our players. Even though the one being pentalize has promoted their championship game the longest out of all the remaining players via publicly access streams.
Reverse the ban. You keep bringing up the same points over and over again. I tried to ask counter questions but you have neither addressed or answered criticisms. Neither mine nor others. If you arent willing to answer, and thus explain your point of view, why then should others try to understand where you are coming from? You have for instance already lost me, as I no motivation anymore to specifically understand where the oldboys club stuff is coming from. You say it like it is a given. It isnt... at least to me. Unless I have seriously misjudged the posts by others, I'd say that you are in the minority with that opinion.
The reason i keep repeating the same things is because THAT IS MY POINT OF VIEW. You keep asking the same questions, you get the same answers ROFL. Scroll back to all of my posts throughout this thread and you will see all of my explanations, there is always the chance you didn't get to read every single message i've posted. If you still don't get it after that, i'm afraid you have way bigger problems on hand than the issue being discussed my friend.
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Man this avilo kid is out of his mind thinking he did everything to the letter. Good thing he's as irrelevant now as he was back when I was dealing with this stuff :>
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On March 30 2017 21:22 Sero wrote:
"First, we conclude that Vindicta did not use hacks during his most recent WCS Challenger matches.
Second, in the many public ladder matches reviewed by us, Vindicta was either not using hacks, or the reported account was not piloted by Vindicta at that time."
He wasn't hacking, and most likely never hacked. Someone whom he shared his account with hacked. Not him. How is that difficult to understand? Avilo was wrong and lost straight up, then broke tournament rules and got himself disqualified. lol
Sero, please stop talking in this post if you have no idea what the HELL is going on, you are another waste of space that does not do their research before speaking. If you look at the "person" that played the account the time of WCS Challenger qualifier, the hotkeys are EXACTLY the same of nero (the known hacker) that streamed the hacks, and was caught using the hacks. Lots of proof is out there, just reddit it, teamliquid it, even ask dr.google. Second, lets say it wasn't nero playing, the hotkeys would be different (which they werent), but lets say it was someone different...ACCOUNT SHARING isnt allowed...Period the end.
User was warned for this post
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On March 30 2017 21:52 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 21:22 Sero wrote:
"First, we conclude that Vindicta did not use hacks during his most recent WCS Challenger matches.
Second, in the many public ladder matches reviewed by us, Vindicta was either not using hacks, or the reported account was not piloted by Vindicta at that time."
He wasn't hacking, and most likely never hacked. Someone whom he shared his account with hacked. Not him. How is that difficult to understand? Avilo was wrong and lost straight up, then broke tournament rules and got himself disqualified. lol Sero, please stop talking in this post if you have no idea what the HELL is going on, you are another waste of space that does not do their research before speaking. If you look at the "person" that played the account the time of WCS Challenger qualifier, the hotkeys are EXACTLY the same of nero (the known hacker) that streamed the hacks, and was caught using the hacks. Lots of proof is out there, just reddit it, teamliquid it, even ask dr.google. Second, lets say it wasn't nero playing, the hotkeys would be different (which they werent), but lets say it was someone different...ACCOUNT SHARING isnt allowed...Period the end.
Nero was a known hacker in BW iirc too.
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On March 30 2017 21:54 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 21:52 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:On March 30 2017 21:22 Sero wrote:
"First, we conclude that Vindicta did not use hacks during his most recent WCS Challenger matches.
Second, in the many public ladder matches reviewed by us, Vindicta was either not using hacks, or the reported account was not piloted by Vindicta at that time."
He wasn't hacking, and most likely never hacked. Someone whom he shared his account with hacked. Not him. How is that difficult to understand? Avilo was wrong and lost straight up, then broke tournament rules and got himself disqualified. lol Sero, please stop talking in this post if you have no idea what the HELL is going on, you are another waste of space that does not do their research before speaking. If you look at the "person" that played the account the time of WCS Challenger qualifier, the hotkeys are EXACTLY the same of nero (the known hacker) that streamed the hacks, and was caught using the hacks. Lots of proof is out there, just reddit it, teamliquid it, even ask dr.google. Second, lets say it wasn't nero playing, the hotkeys would be different (which they werent), but lets say it was someone different...ACCOUNT SHARING isnt allowed...Period the end. Nero was a known hacker in BW iirc too.
Iirc that Nero guy even burned down Rome at some point. What a lunatic!
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On March 30 2017 21:58 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 21:54 ReachTheSky wrote:On March 30 2017 21:52 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:On March 30 2017 21:22 Sero wrote:
"First, we conclude that Vindicta did not use hacks during his most recent WCS Challenger matches.
Second, in the many public ladder matches reviewed by us, Vindicta was either not using hacks, or the reported account was not piloted by Vindicta at that time."
He wasn't hacking, and most likely never hacked. Someone whom he shared his account with hacked. Not him. How is that difficult to understand? Avilo was wrong and lost straight up, then broke tournament rules and got himself disqualified. lol Sero, please stop talking in this post if you have no idea what the HELL is going on, you are another waste of space that does not do their research before speaking. If you look at the "person" that played the account the time of WCS Challenger qualifier, the hotkeys are EXACTLY the same of nero (the known hacker) that streamed the hacks, and was caught using the hacks. Lots of proof is out there, just reddit it, teamliquid it, even ask dr.google. Second, lets say it wasn't nero playing, the hotkeys would be different (which they werent), but lets say it was someone different...ACCOUNT SHARING isnt allowed...Period the end. Nero was a known hacker in BW iirc too. Iirc that Nero guy even burned down Rome at some point. What a lunatic!
That's how you KNOW he's dangerous.
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Bottomline:
1) Avilo's claim and evidence of cheating is weak.
2) Avilo has cried wolf too often. (Watch Jason Vs avilo on youtube)
3) Avilo lost.
4) Avilo tried to verbally offend people.
5) Avilo whinged some more.
6) Avilo cried wolf again
7) Avilo was cautioned and punished.
8) The SC2 community laughed.
SC2 Lives Matter!!!
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