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Editor_In_Chimp
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia36 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 10:14:53
March 30 2017 10:14 GMT
#61
On March 30 2017 19:02 SlammerSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 13:49 Nakajin wrote:
On March 30 2017 13:44 AshC wrote:
Nice ruling regarding the hacker issue but the Avilo ruling is rather lenient. I would ban him from WCS Austin altogether at least but this one is OK.


Plus he accused of cheating (and insulted) another opponent tonight after losing to him, and also all his history of BM opponent in professional games.

The thing is the guy actually played rather suspicius. Many small things like clicking on buildings that are under construction before getting vision of them. It wouldent be a surprise to me if Sottorks doesent win many games offline.


Proof please, I watched all the avilo replays and saw 0 of clicking buildings through fog of war. This is 100% definitive proof of cheating and grounds for a perma ban. Accusing someone of this without being able to back it up would make you look like a real idiot!
"There is no shame in defeat, so long as the spirit is unconquered" - Fenix
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 10:16:59
March 30 2017 10:15 GMT
#62
double post
TL+ Member
Editor_In_Chimp
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia36 Posts
March 30 2017 10:16 GMT
#63
On March 30 2017 19:13 playa wrote:
I can somewhat relate. I played Cham in a tournament when he was BLATANTLY hacking, and I ended up getting disqualified for not being "mannered" towards him. It's a joke. They treat hackers and ex hackers with kids gloves. Basically encourage people to hack.

On the other hand, in HotS... playing vs hackers in WCS was common place. And, unless you were popular, like a Demuslim type, no one would even care to look into it. Pointless to even bring it up.


So did you compile evidence and post about it when it happened? Please link some proof to this.
"There is no shame in defeat, so long as the spirit is unconquered" - Fenix
FoxDog
Profile Joined October 2007
170 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 11:34:37
March 30 2017 10:18 GMT
#64
On March 30 2017 13:47 THERIDDLER wrote:
Wait isn't blizzard contradicting themselves? the fact that vindicta was confirmed hacker should offset avilo's rude behaviour towards him.


Not only this, but i think this is a great opportunity to see who the snakes in the grass are, anyone who says "avilo should respect lower skilled players who disrespect him perpetually or else" are cancer to the community

people who are low skilled who get angry when people correct or overrule them compensate by saying tolerance and respect means i am equal to you but thats NOT right when talking about game iq or understanding whatsoever

basically we have a community trained by blizzard to pitchfork people who are critical and point out mistakes, and its because the people in charge are lowleague and compensate by saying "everyones equal" censoring valid opinions and allowing invalid opinions at their leisure.

what is the opposite of equal? racist? there is different leagues and those literally have different real gameknowledge and gamesense levels that increase from lowest to highest bronze to gm! This means that a GM informative opinion is more valid than a bronze informative opinion, its the elephant in the room!

+ Show Spoiler +
a bronzeleaguer tells a GM "banelings are op" GM says "you need to split therefore they are not"

the piece of information changes everything because the bronzeleaguer cant perceive what to do and thus concludes its imbalanced,

a GM tells a Bronzie "mech is underpowered because no anti air" bronzie says "it works for me"

the bronzies level means things work at his level because other bronzies have not yet learned what to do against it

but he is both right and wrong at the same time, so who are we going to go with? THE GM

and why is this? because the bronzie will eventually get to GM if he wants to, but once you are at GM you are stuck and that means your claims of imbalance are VALID while the bronzies are NOT.


the moderators balancedesigners casters and 99% of the players in the community simply lack that piece of information enabling them to improve step by step and get GM, but until they do should RESPECT GRANDMASTER PLAYERS and never ever DEMAND GMS bow and scrape for THEM only because of their positions of POWER that they dont even deserve... who are they to judge him?!

this NONSENSE about "being respectful" as if they in their bronzeshoes get to judge someone like avilo is shameful, the fact we have a community that doesnt think its injustice for someone in bronzeleague to say Avilo doesnt deserve to call out this piece of crap CHEATER for who he is because they had their "feelings hurt" is SHAMEFUL

SHAME on you WCS, i hope i meet each and every one of you on the ladder, i guess ill have to smurf though because i cant hit your bronze butts with my R1 master accounts on the ladder, despicable!
Remember without fear, there is no courage!
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 10:19:27
March 30 2017 10:18 GMT
#65
keep hitting quote instead of edit, sorry
TL+ Member
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 30 2017 10:27 GMT
#66
On March 30 2017 19:18 FoxDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 13:47 THERIDDLER wrote:
Wait isn't blizzard contradicting themselves? the fact that vindicta was confirmed hacker should offset avilo's rude behaviour towards him.


Not only this, but i think this is a great opportunity to see who the snakes in the grass are, anyone who says "avilo should respect lower skilled players who disrespect him perpetually or else" are cancer to the community

people who are low skilled who get angry when people correct or overrule them compensate by saying tolerance and respect means i am equal to you but thats NOT right when talking about game iq or understanding whatsoever

basically we have a community trained by blizzard to pitchfork people who are critical and point out mistakes, and its because the people in charge are lowleague and compensate by saying "everyones equal" censoring valid opinions and allowing invalid opinions at their leisure.

what is the opposite of equal? racist? there is different leagues and those literally have different real gameknowledge and gamesense levels that increase from lowest to highest bronze to gm! This means that a GM informative opinion is more valid than a bronze informative opinion, its the elephant in the room!

a bronzeleaguer tells a GM "banelings are op" GM says "you need to split therefore they are not"

the piece of information changes everything because the bronzeleaguer cant perceive what to do and thus concludes its imbalanced,

a GM tells a Bronzie "mech is underpowered because no anti air" bronzie says "it works for me"

the bronzies level means things work at his level because other bronzies have not yet learned what to do against it

but he is both right and wrong at the same time, so who are we going to go with? THE GM

and why is this? because the bronzie will eventually get to GM if he wants to, but once you are at GM you are stuck and that means your claims of imbalance are VALID while the bronzies are NOT.

the moderators balancedesigners casters and 99% of the players in the community simply lack that piece of information enabling them to improve step by step and get GM, but until they do should RESPECT GRANDMASTER PLAYERS and never ever DEMAND GMS bow and scrape for THEM only because of their positions of POWER that they dont even deserve... who are they to judge him?!

this NONSENSE about "being respectful" as if they in their bronzeshoes get to judge someone like avilo is shameful, the fact we have a community that doesnt think its injustice for someone in bronzeleague to say Avilo doesnt deserve to call out this piece of crap CHEATER for who he is because they had their "feelings hurt" is SHAMEFUL

SHAME on you WCS, i hope i meet each and every one of you on the ladder, i guess ill have to smurf though because i cant hit your bronze butts with my R1 master accounts on the ladder, despicable!


Yeah bloody bronzies. My opinion is more important because I'm a leet Gold League Player.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 10:36:09
March 30 2017 10:32 GMT
#67
On March 30 2017 19:16 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 19:13 playa wrote:
I can somewhat relate. I played Cham in a tournament when he was BLATANTLY hacking, and I ended up getting disqualified for not being "mannered" towards him. It's a joke. They treat hackers and ex hackers with kids gloves. Basically encourage people to hack.

On the other hand, in HotS... playing vs hackers in WCS was common place. And, unless you were popular, like a Demuslim type, no one would even care to look into it. Pointless to even bring it up.


So did you compile evidence and post about it when it happened? Please link some proof to this.


It was some BS tournament I found on z33k in HotS. I reported that the guy hacked in "the thread," but after looking into it, was pointless to post replay. Apparently, guy has already admitted that he "used to hack." And, in SC 2... it makes no difference whether you've hacked 99.99% of the time, the question is only "did he hack today!" So, waste of time. People had already gone through the trouble to compile replay packs of their games vs him, since he was so suspicious.

But, as for my game... he never had any overlords, by expos, in a position to actually see when I took anything. He instantly reacted to a cannon rush attempt. But, the main thing is... he rallied his hatcheries to his main and sent his units to his main to stop a warp prism drop that he never scouted. Didn't even have a clue that I had a warp prism. He was blatant, he didn't care. He did the warp prism defense after I was already calling him out... He even joined a hacking clan in HotS... which I heard he got hacks for boosting.

Either way, I'm sure the guy is really good now, so no one cares. Like Testie in BW. But, until hacking is treated as a life time ban thing... it will always be rampant as long as its possible. And, it doesn't help that they only acknowledge hacking offenses if it happens to "big names."
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 30 2017 10:35 GMT
#68
What did Avilo say that he got punished for?
Neosteel Enthusiast
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 30 2017 10:36 GMT
#69
On March 30 2017 19:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What did Avilo say that he got punished for?

I reckon this had to do with it:
[image loading]
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Editor_In_Chimp
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia36 Posts
March 30 2017 10:39 GMT
#70
On March 30 2017 19:32 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 19:16 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:
On March 30 2017 19:13 playa wrote:
I can somewhat relate. I played Cham in a tournament when he was BLATANTLY hacking, and I ended up getting disqualified for not being "mannered" towards him. It's a joke. They treat hackers and ex hackers with kids gloves. Basically encourage people to hack.

On the other hand, in HotS... playing vs hackers in WCS was common place. And, unless you were popular, like a Demuslim type, no one would even care to look into it. Pointless to even bring it up.


So did you compile evidence and post about it when it happened? Please link some proof to this.


It was some BS tournament I found on z33k in HotS. I reported that the guy hacked in "the thread," but after looking into it, was pointless to post replay. Apparently, guy has already admitted that he "used to hack." And, in SC 2... it makes no difference whether you've hacked 99.99% of the time, the question is only "did he hack today!" So, waste of time. People had already gone through the trouble to compile replay packs of their games vs him, since he was so suspicious.

But, as for my game... he never had any overlords, by expos, in a position to actually see when I took anything. He instantly reacted to a cannon rush attempt. But, the main thing is... he rallied his hatcheries to his main and sent his units to his main to stop a warp prism drop that he never scouted. Didn't even have a clue that I had a warp prism. He was blatant, he didn't care. He did the warp prism defense after I was already calling him out... He even joined a hacking clan in HotS... which I heard he got hacks for boosting.

Either way, I'm sure the guy is really good now, so no one cares. Like Testie in BW. But, until hacking is treated a life time ban thing... it will always be rampant as long as its possible. And, it doesn't help that they only acknowledge hacking offenses if it happens to "big names."


It's different if someone is outed as a cheater and is asked for a 2nd chance and excepts whatever punishment they are dealt. E.g. missing a year of tournament play or something. And toggling your cheats off this weekend for the WCS qualifier like you make it sound. Personally, i'm inclined to not give cheaters a second chance, especially in WCS, so I agree with you on that.

If you didn't post the replay or anything, that's not the communites fault for not taking it serious, it's your fault because you never even posted it ffs
"There is no shame in defeat, so long as the spirit is unconquered" - Fenix
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 10:47:14
March 30 2017 10:45 GMT
#71
On March 30 2017 19:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 19:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What did Avilo say that he got punished for?

I reckon this had to do with it:
[image loading]

Ok lol. I thought he just talked trash to the hacking cheater which while not smart would be understandable.
Neosteel Enthusiast
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 10:51:13
March 30 2017 10:46 GMT
#72
On March 30 2017 19:39 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 19:32 playa wrote:
On March 30 2017 19:16 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:
On March 30 2017 19:13 playa wrote:
I can somewhat relate. I played Cham in a tournament when he was BLATANTLY hacking, and I ended up getting disqualified for not being "mannered" towards him. It's a joke. They treat hackers and ex hackers with kids gloves. Basically encourage people to hack.

On the other hand, in HotS... playing vs hackers in WCS was common place. And, unless you were popular, like a Demuslim type, no one would even care to look into it. Pointless to even bring it up.


So did you compile evidence and post about it when it happened? Please link some proof to this.


It was some BS tournament I found on z33k in HotS. I reported that the guy hacked in "the thread," but after looking into it, was pointless to post replay. Apparently, guy has already admitted that he "used to hack." And, in SC 2... it makes no difference whether you've hacked 99.99% of the time, the question is only "did he hack today!" So, waste of time. People had already gone through the trouble to compile replay packs of their games vs him, since he was so suspicious.

But, as for my game... he never had any overlords, by expos, in a position to actually see when I took anything. He instantly reacted to a cannon rush attempt. But, the main thing is... he rallied his hatcheries to his main and sent his units to his main to stop a warp prism drop that he never scouted. Didn't even have a clue that I had a warp prism. He was blatant, he didn't care. He did the warp prism defense after I was already calling him out... He even joined a hacking clan in HotS... which I heard he got hacks for boosting.

Either way, I'm sure the guy is really good now, so no one cares. Like Testie in BW. But, until hacking is treated a life time ban thing... it will always be rampant as long as its possible. And, it doesn't help that they only acknowledge hacking offenses if it happens to "big names."


It's different if someone is outed as a cheater and is asked for a 2nd chance and excepts whatever punishment they are dealt. E.g. missing a year of tournament play or something. And toggling your cheats off this weekend for the WCS qualifier like you make it sound. Personally, i'm inclined to not give cheaters a second chance, especially in WCS, so I agree with you on that.

If you didn't post the replay or anything, that's not the communites fault for not taking it serious, it's your fault because you never even posted it ffs


It simply doesn't matter in SC 2. Guess how many people have hacked in SC 2 and even qualified for events? How many have been barred from events? People even defend Believe... a guy who uses the N word to everyone on the ladder, has had accounts banned for hacking, has replays that look like blatant hacking. It just does not f'ing matter.

You could hack vs me today and admit it... and it would be like okay... well... don't do it tomorrow!! Until thy start treating past congressions like crimes... where they end up handing out time to... makes no difference.

If you're not Demuslim, you're expected to just accept it. I think Virium hacked vs me. I just accepted it. Cause, that's what you do in SC 2. You bend over and you accept it.

Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 30 2017 10:50 GMT
#73
On March 30 2017 19:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 19:36 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2017 19:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What did Avilo say that he got punished for?

I reckon this had to do with it:
[image loading]

Ok lol. I thought he just talked trash to the hacking cheater which while not smart would be understandable.

He did that too, but I assume the Kaelaris comment didn't help at all.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
March 30 2017 10:55 GMT
#74
On March 30 2017 19:18 FoxDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 13:47 THERIDDLER wrote:
Wait isn't blizzard contradicting themselves? the fact that vindicta was confirmed hacker should offset avilo's rude behaviour towards him.


Not only this, but i think this is a great opportunity to see who the snakes in the grass are, anyone who says "avilo should respect lower skilled players who disrespect him perpetually or else" are cancer to the community

people who are low skilled who get angry when people correct or overrule them compensate by saying tolerance and respect means i am equal to you but thats NOT right when talking about game iq or understanding whatsoever

basically we have a community trained by blizzard to pitchfork people who are critical and point out mistakes, and its because the people in charge are lowleague and compensate by saying "everyones equal" censoring valid opinions and allowing invalid opinions at their leisure.


So let me get this straight: your big issue with the community and the 'snakes in the grass' is that they expect players, especially high visibility players, treat others like human beings?

There are expectations for behavior in tournaments. Especially when on the main stream; intentional delays of thirty minutes plus didn't help.

If people can't abide by rules, then they don't have any place in a tournament
moose...indian
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 11:17:40
March 30 2017 11:00 GMT
#75
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from other people in power fromtheir respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with greater power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs? It doesn't exist without these qualities and it is one of the MAJOR reasons the scene is in it's current state. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.

This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 11:06:58
March 30 2017 11:03 GMT
#76
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.

ROFL.

Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.

OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.

But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.

Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier.
Sup
Editor_In_Chimp
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia36 Posts
March 30 2017 11:16 GMT
#77
On March 30 2017 20:03 avilo wrote:
The SC2 community is so far gone that it will attack the person not cheating and say they deserve a ban for saying words to someone in a tournament that is the person hacking.

ROFL.

Stay classy SC2. We live in a really backwards world. I remember a time when hackers were actually punished, and the community wouldn't ban the person that exposes and proves they are hacking.

OH wait, that was Brood War. Apparently i'm not allowed to get angry that Blizzard forced me and others to play versus a known hacker in a tournament.

But ok, keep using the "it's avilo" "he deserves to be banned" backwards logic.

Everyone here knows i deserve to have another chance at that first qualifier.


The hacker was punished though.

Also. Your logic is backwards, you told the caster of the event to "keep his pussy ass mouth shut, or i'll expose him for the beta cuck he is". Now it's everyone else who is classless? Not to mention this was after you held up the cast mid series to verbally abuse the admin.
"There is no shame in defeat, so long as the spirit is unconquered" - Fenix
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
March 30 2017 11:16 GMT
#78
On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from their respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs. It doesn't exist without these qualities. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.

This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him.


A few things:

1. The formatting on this makes it hard to read.
2. You say things like 'he needs equal opportunity'

He's had that. I feel like after years of calling everyone a hacker, blames everything on imbalance,

3. You say other people haven't given him a fair shake: I suppose being flamed constantly sure did wonders to improve their opinion of him.

He's sat around accusing of Snute of hacking.

Honestly, the only way this would be favoritism or unethical treatment of players is if they DIDN'T punish him. Rules are the for a reason, and proper respect and dignity shouldn't be something that's that hard to expect.
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Last Edited: 2017-03-30 11:24:30
March 30 2017 11:23 GMT
#79
On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
The big picture here is INTEGRITY.


Indeed, and avilo has none.


There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
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Profile Joined April 2010
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Last Edited: 2017-03-30 11:36:21
March 30 2017 11:35 GMT
#80
On March 30 2017 20:16 reneg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 20:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I strongly urge those who are supportive of avilo(whether you like him or not) to have the opportunity to be unbanned from the event and play his matches like the rest of his mates to start bombarding blizzard higher ups with tweets. The real story here is biased decision making when it comes to rules enforcement. A decision maker serving their own preferences/agenda rather than guiding/supporting the players for success. Feel free to scroll back to pages 1-3 for my full explanation on why I believe this be supported by historical facts through out the lifespan of professional sc2. Avilo deserves a shot, show your support for the underdog here. This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has ever had to date. The inner circle has always done everything to keep him out, i've watched it for years on streams, this forum, event broadcasts, you name it. From Nony always talking shit on him on these forums in an attempt to influence others and sabotage Avilo's reputation to incontrol bashing on him. The inner circle just doesn't like him and refuse to give the guy an equal shot. Why? Because one time in the beta their ego was rubbed the wrong way in game due to some chatter being typed. Blizzard/WCS decision makers/organizaers constantly bend policies/rules and turn a blind eye for other players(Scarlett/Neeb/Koreans sharing accounts, yes guys, it's a fact, it's been streamed many times). Not for avilo though. We need to support Avilo, whether you like him or not. Why? Because everyone deserves an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and chance in this world. Hell, I think the guy sounds annoying. But he is interesting to watch. We should all be tweeting relentlessly at the higher ups at blizzard in regards to this. Not just the WCS TOs, but the people that make the money decisions for WCS. These are the people who care the most how the money is spent and the ROI. They need to know whats going on. They need to know the way this league is being operated and how it is compromising the integrity of fair competition and fair treatment as well as the effects it carries long term on their investment/league. I'll be writing lengthy statements to several employees outside of the oldboys club in an attempt to paint an accurate picture of whats going on here. Again, even if you don't like avilo, send a tweet. The big picture here is INTEGRITY. If you stand for all things good/true and value integrity/equal treatment/equal opportunities, start sending tweets and start writing letters. I've started to compile a fair bit of evidence of audio footage/screenshots of pros in this "old boys" club regularly breaking the TUA who regularly get a free pass from their respective vods in livestreams to present to blizzard employees with power. Send out tweets, send out letters. Lets represent fair competition, integrity, equal treatment and equal opportunity. Without these qualities, where is the inspiration to play this game in an attempt to capture the glory of a progamer making it on camera in wcs. It doesn't exist without these qualities. Send your tweets, send your letters. Stand up for what is right and let our voices be heard.

This could very well be the most interesting storyline sc2 has to offer. People who used to play/watch don't care about the current players much and have moved on. I bet if you mention Avilo's name they will do a double take and tune into a broadcast to see him.


A few things:

1. The formatting on this makes it hard to read.
2. You say things like 'he needs equal opportunity'

He's had that. I feel like after years of calling everyone a hacker, blames everything on imbalance,

3. You say other people haven't given him a fair shake: I suppose being flamed constantly sure did wonders to improve their opinion of him.

He's sat around accusing of Snute of hacking.

Honestly, the only way this would be favoritism or unethical treatment of players is if they DIDN'T punish him. Rules are the for a reason, and proper respect and dignity shouldn't be something that's that hard to expect.


1.I'm not a writer, i never did well in english studies. I apologize for this.
2. You wouldn't believe the things the oldboys club or oldguard has done to take opportunities away from Avilo in the past. This is just one of many.
3. Avilo's actions are a transgression from how it all started. Sure he may not carry himself well at all times, but guess what? Not all the pros do. Whether he has earned his hate or note, he still isn't getting a fair shake and deserves one like everyone else. In regards to the snute hacking accusations, chances are he didn't know it was snute. If he did, maybe he said it out of anger because of he own flaws(which is probably more true). Snute has made hacking accusations on stream as well, he is just as guilty. It's not like Avilo made a formal accusation submitted to blizzard in regards to snute..
4. I agree with the rules part, but several pros are given free passes all the time for breaks these rules. See snute/scarlett 's vods of them regularly sharing accounts/logging accounts. See korean progamers regularly sharing accounts. Every single one of them gets a free pass. Unethical to say the least, they oughtt to be banned as well if that is your stance.
5. This was a bias rules enforcement to cockblock avilo by the oldboys club in power. Why? Blizzard does not regularly enforce these policies. We all know this. Otherwise every practice partner would be banned for account sharing, otherwise hackers would be permabanned on a regular basis. Otherwise scarlet/neeb would not be in the wcs right. It's proof that blizzard picks and chooses when they want to enforce a rule. They didn't like avilo, they used the most bullshit reason to penalize him (a reddit post? really? something he said on his OWN stream? really?). Its not like avilo was saying this stuff while on an official live broadcast ran by blizzard or their forums or something). In order to try and mask the decision makers intentions in an attempt to come across as Just and Fair (cough bullshit cough), they had to use the "hacker/account sharer" as a scapegoat. It's all misdirection my friend. Avilo has always been treated this way by the old guard. They stated he wasn't hacking during the game but they banned him for sharing accounts which is against the TUA. WHY ISN"T EVERYONE ELSE GETTING BANNED FOR SHARING ACCOUNTS? It's a hidden agenda and it's bullshit and is detrimental to the integrity of professional sc2. This does not make me want to play sc2 one bit nor does it want to make me tune into a broadcast nor does it make me want to tell people about future broadcasts. WCS rules decision makers are putting the nail in their own coffin and they don't even realize it. What more can i expect from adults in their late twenties/earlier thirties who run hungry on power that don't know how to use it responsibly/ethically or even seen the BIG PICTURE.
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