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Japan1927 Posts

April 01 2017 04:58 GMT

#181

On April 01 2017 10:17 avilo wrote:

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On April 01 2017 10:13 showstealer1829 wrote:

On April 01 2017 10:03 avilo wrote:

On April 01 2017 05:25 DeadByDawn wrote:
Just watched Ketroc's analysis of a game, Retribution Vs Avilo, that Avilo submitted to him and claimed was maphacking.

The only thing it showed was that Retribution outplayed him at his own Viking+Raven game, and that Avilo needs no evidence other than he lost that the other player is a maphacker. Retribution, aka Nero, may hack at times, but this shows that against Avilo he doesn't need to.

And no, if you watch the game it isn't a hard to detect hack, there is not a single suspicious moment in it.

Still, neither player should be playing in WCS.

Wrong. It's one of 10+ games of him build order countering + production tab hack. In over 10 games vs Retribution he will always time his starports as i build mine every single game, over the course of 10+ games. He also never gets build order loss or disadvantage in any game.

Just because i won or lost the games vs him means nothing. And ketroc did not even analyze the games - he literally just started fanboying over raven vs raven and was commentating it like a normal game. I should have known better to even bother sending replays of a known hacker to a diamond leaguer.

I have many replays of me BEATING Nero, and he is also hacking in those games as well. Nero is not one of those "OBVIOUS" mher in that he very rarely will blatantly look into fog of war or those types of things. The way he abuses his hack is by doing the exact same thing you're doing (mirroring you) and doing it while being slightly ahead from always having a build order advantage (due to the MH).

You'll notice same in nero vs Ruff games where the guy will blindly decide whether or not to get turrets, etc. in the opener. If you go raven, he'll either go raven to match you, or he'll play heavy macro since he knows you're playing defense.

If you go cloak banshee he'll go raven viking.

If you go cyclone he'll build 2 more cyclones than you.

Ketroc did zero analysis on the game, and failed to even notice at around 19:30 you can see what i'm describing about him using his production tab hack to mirror and time his production of starports at the exact same time.

Both sottorks and Nero did this against me in the most recent WCS qualifiers. One of the games vs Sottorks i build two starports and sottorks immediately queues up two starports as well almost less than one second later.

But like i said - unless you have played versus these hackers enough and have spotted these things, it's tough to spot. Ketroc blatantly just started commentating about ravens instead of doing any analysis whatsoever.

Ahhh yes the "Information Dump" defense. Give someone 10 plus maps to "prove" your claim and then when you're proven wrong, claim that they used the wrong map, that way you can NEVER be wrong. Or when they do look at them all claim they missed one minute and irrelevant detail at "Time point x of map y" to vainly attempt to render their whole argument invalid.

I haven't been proven wrong? I was proven right? Nero is a 100% confirmed known hacker. Saying otherwise is absolutely retarded in all respects.

Also btw Blizzard's official statement is either a flat out lie or they were incompetent in making it because as many have stated in this thread, Nero prob used VPN or other ways to mask that he was the person on his account. It was absolutely him every time - the hotkeys of the games match up.

Instead of making claims, substantiate them with evidence so people can take you seriously.

As I pointed out in the other thread, the chances you played multiple hackers in the past month are incredibly low, especially at your higher MMR rating. Most of the people who have the latest working hacks are not top end players, and probably wouldn't even be masters level.

Furthermore, there is not even a functioning production tab hack with the same functionality as the ones in the past as of right now; only private map hacks. So to even claim such a thing is clearly based on some emotional issues in regards to this topic, or losing, or being banned, or whatever.

Ve5pa

United Kingdom252 Posts

April 01 2017 09:31 GMT

#182

One point that is worth noting is that if you watch another player around high masters/low GM mmr over a few hours on stream, they will play a variety of opponents. On Avilo's stream he tends to get a lot of the same opponents over and over.

Obviously people stream snipe him, probably to get some sort of recognition or e-fame or just simply to get a reaction out of him, he rises to the bait all to often as we all know.

It's obviously pretty easy to do this as i recall watching Yo-Go from the French streaming network O'Gaming snipe him like 3 days in a row, probably because the French audience would think it was funny. Needless to say Avilo won, Yo-Go's massive ping can't have helped though but as an excersie in showing how easy it was so snipe Avilo it proved to be quite useful.

His own antics on stream does make him a target for stream snipers and if people were going to hack, then who better to do it against, someone who you are guaranteed to get a reaction from on stream so the hacker could just sit back and laugh. As a result he is probably a lot more likely to face snipers or even hackers than other people of a similar mmr.

Also worth noting that he does insta quit a lot of games so as not to have to play a lot of these people, thus losing mmr in the process. He managed to maintain GM level in HotS whilst insta quitting all games vs Protoss. Still makes me laugh to be honest.

showstealer1829

Australia3123 Posts

April 01 2017 11:32 GMT

#183

The only reason he gets the same opponents over and over is he instaquits against those he can't beat without blaming something other than his lack of ability.

snowmani

Austria4 Posts

April 01 2017 15:36 GMT

#184

mhm idk maybe it would be a good idea nexttime to review the files without player names or without the context.
What i got out of the thread so far is that people dont like Avilo and pointing out that he cried wolf to many times.

But jeah i am only a voice in the aether...

fx9

117 Posts

April 15 2017 10:29 GMT

#185

If you start accusing everyone who beats you cheating, you might have a chance to strike gold once or twice in a 1000 times.
That's just the law of average in the working.
And that doesn't vindicate the 999 of the times Avilo is wrong in his accusations and being a real douchebag on top of that.

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