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On March 30 2017 14:01 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Agree with this ruling 100%. Today Avilo accused Sorttorks (the Canadian Terran player who beat him and went onto qualify) of hacking. Again his behaviour violated the player conduct guidelines, especially in the language used. I really appreciate Blizzard's attention to following up on and enforcing their guidelines. This shows the integrity of Blizzard and their dedication to ensuring SC2 scene maintains the utmost sportsmanship and accountability.
Replay evidence here:
G2 NewKirk:
http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/7017523
7:35 tank unsieges instant scan
9:17 two vikings click on a depot he can't see
9:41 scan + counter scan as tank sieges up
9:55 selects units as tanks unsiege
9:59 instant scan when tanks go into siege mode again
10:12 tanks unsiege he insta selects army again
10:24 scans as tanks move forward
Happens many other times across g1/g2. He is getting mini-map pings when tanks siege/unsiege via mh.
G3 Abysmal:
http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/7017522
No SCV scout of opponent base
Mirror Build Again/BO Counter
The 100% evidence:
4:22 Clicks directly onto reapers in fog of war with his units with his screen looking at them.
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Yes you had a right to be upset. That doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want though. In the real world "being upset" is no free card to behave like a child which doesn't get what it wants.
If you would just have been reasonable, told the admin in a productive way what is going on and moved on after he told you they will investigate this, you know what would have happened?
You would have gotten your second chance to qualify. Now you didn't because you acted the way you did.
Also because you are still confused, he actually didn't hack yesterday as far as blizzard is concerned and the guy today was no hacker either most likely. No this isn't a big conspiracy against you, there simply aren't as many hackers out there as you would want us to believe.
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On March 30 2017 14:22 avilo wrote:
So i get punished for exposing the hacker and not thanked or given a second chance to qualify from the one i got robbed?
Blizzard logic at it's finest backwards. I hope the community does not put up for this bullshit, no matter if someone personally doesn't like me or not, i've never cheated in this game, and i just literally saved 3-4 other people that had their matches ruined by this hacker as well.
I deserve another chance to qualify as well. I had a right to be upset that they made me play vs him even before the match i presented evidence showing who he was, and they refused to DQ him. On top of that, WCS official casters live on stream gave me shit, as usual with their condescending tones (except tod) and even went so far as to lie and say hacks don't exist on SC2.
This is all around bullshit but i don't really expect much these days. I'm really hoping the SC2 community will stand up for me here, and the other players that are going to get another chance to qualify if they have any honor at all will stand up for me too for my chance to play that was robbed from me. Considering me even bringing all of this issue up in the first place is what is going to allow them to get re-games.
This is as usual another biased attempt against me from Blizzard. Just like when they permabanned me from the bnet forums for giving CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK about 3 rax reapers.
This is ridiculous.
6.1. Behavior.
(a) Players must at all times observe the highest standards of personal integrity and good
sportsmanship. Players are required to behave in a professional and sportsmanlike manner in their
interactions with other competitors, WCS organizers and members of the administration team, the
media, sponsors and fans.
(b) Players may not use obscene gestures or profanity in their BattleTags, player handles, game chat,
lobby chat or live interviews. This rule applies to English and all other languages in use in the
WCS and includes abbreviations and/or obscure references.
(c) Players are expected to settle their differences in a respectful manner and without resort to
violence, threats, or physical or non-physical intimidation. Violence is never permitted at any
facility that is owned by or leased to Blizzard or a tournament organizer, or against any competitor
or administrator
A. Your actions today (Well every day, but for the sake of argument we'll say today) show you have no integrity or good sportsmanship.
B. You called admins and casters "Beta cucks" (amongst other more offensive things) on stream and in your postings.
C. Your continued whining shows you have zero respect and are wanting to continue to use your community to take part in "non-violent intimidation"
Three strikes, You're out.
6.3. Illegal and Unethical Conduct
(b) A player may not, during any WCS Event, commit any act or become involved in any situation
or occurrence which brings him or her into public disrepute, scandal or ridicule, or shocks or
offends the community, or derogates from his or her public image or reflects unfavorably upon
Blizzard, StarCraft II or any of the other products, services or sponsors of Blizzard.
Wanna guess which one of public disrupte, scandal or ridicule your actions bring you under avilo?
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Who shares an account with hackers? It's mind boggling to me... Especially for a player that's trying to make it in the "wcs". Either this nero is dumb as a rock or blizzard is lying...
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Even when everybody would tell about the hack, u are spitting on avilo
He is right here, blizzard should make something about hack s instead of read their rules
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On March 30 2017 14:28 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:01 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Agree with this ruling 100%. Today Avilo accused Sorttorks (the Canadian Terran player who beat him and went onto qualify) of hacking. Again his behaviour violated the player conduct guidelines, especially in the language used. I really appreciate Blizzard's attention to following up on and enforcing their guidelines. This shows the integrity of Blizzard and their dedication to ensuring SC2 scene maintains the utmost sportsmanship and accountability. Replay evidence here: G2 NewKirk: http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/70175237:35 tank unsieges instant scan 9:17 two vikings click on a depot he can't see 9:41 scan + counter scan as tank sieges up 9:55 selects units as tanks unsiege 9:59 instant scan when tanks go into siege mode again 10:12 tanks unsiege he insta selects army again 10:24 scans as tanks move forward Happens many other times across g1/g2. He is getting mini-map pings when tanks siege/unsiege via mh. G3 Abysmal: http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/7017522No SCV scout of opponent base Mirror Build Again/BO Counter The 100% evidence: 4:22 Clicks directly onto reapers in fog of war with his units with his screen looking at them.
In the first replay: Newkirk.
7:35 tank unsieges instant scan
unsubstantial, could be luck or game sense.
9:17 two vikings click on a depot he can't see
The vikings were clicked to the location of the depot, the depot was not revealed in fog of war, he had reason to move his vikings here (to give tanks vision). Your point is that he clicked ON the depot, but he did not, you can tell by how the move command dot on the ground is not centred on the middle of the depot.
9:41 scan + counter scan as tank sieges up
9:55 selects units as tanks unsiege
9:59 instant scan when tanks go into siege mode again
10:12 tanks unsiege he insta selects army again
10:24 scans as tanks move forward
The entirety of this is also inconclusive.
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In the second replay: Abyssal.
4:22 Clicks directly onto reapers in fog of war with his units with his screen looking at them.
He does NOT have your reapers selected. He has HIS 3 reapers selected. He does have his camera moved towards your reapers, however I do not believe this is supsicous as he was planning to move his 3 reapers into your base along that trajectory. Your other claims for this game are not substantial or conclusive at all.
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he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff
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Amazes me how hackers have no shame. Coming from someone who lost to a hacker in the final in an online tournament back in 2000 when $2000 was a good chunk of $$. People still blatantly hack in games like csgo, it's their way of fun I guess. But in a perfect world, these guys should be not only account banned permanently but be put in jail for a few days or at least reported to their ISP similar to pirating movies/games. (Am I crazy or taking online gaming too seriously? Maybe, but hackers are almost the same as stealing peoples credit card info and using them and never gettin caught)
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On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff
Yep 4:22 evidence is 100% that it is MH because he is clicking directly on the reapers, he even tries to cut them off, but then realizes they're going to get up the cliff.
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist.
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On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff
The reason he doesnt go up the cliff, is because he see's avilos reapers go up the cliff. If he b-lines to the nat he can engage the cyclones without the reapers and take a convincing fight. Here is a clip to show when he sees the reapers go up the cliff.
I watched the replay from sottorks view with this selected in the command card. At no point was a single reaper selected from 4:00 to until the main fight begins with all reapers in view of both players. Only 3reapers selected at a time, and they were his reapers, he goes on to HOTKEY them after he has them selected, then uses that hotkey during the fight. They are clearly his reapers.
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On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist.
They just banned someone for maphacking from the qualifier buddy
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On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff Yep 4:22 evidence is 100% that it is MH because he is clicking directly on the reapers, he even tries to cut them off, but then realizes they're going to get up the cliff. But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist.
You literally call out every other opponent on ladder for hacking. What you call evidence is none. The low standard you have for evidence is ludicrous. I bet you would find proof that you yourself are hacking in a lot of replays. Which you obviously don't do.
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You could have exposed the hacker without being vile and toxic. There was probably 20 different ways to solve this issue without getting nasty. No one likes hackers, especially repeat ones in an official competition. Of all times this should have been the time the entire community rally for you, you had a moral high ground, but your persona and attitude turns a lot of people off, even if you are in the right.
On March 30 2017 14:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff Yep 4:22 evidence is 100% that it is MH because he is clicking directly on the reapers, he even tries to cut them off, but then realizes they're going to get up the cliff. But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist. You literally call out every other opponent on ladder for hacking. What you call evidence is none. The low standard you have for evidence is ludicrous. I bet you would find proof that you yourself are hacking in a lot of replays. Which you obviously don't do.
Someone needs to read Avilo the story of the boy who cried wolf.
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Oh the sweet blizzard irony ...
Had avilo been a decent person he would have been allowed to replay his matches against ruff and so on.
Better be toxic, that always pays on the long run ... or not.
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On March 30 2017 14:53 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff The reason he doesnt go up the cliff, is because he see's avilos reapers go up the cliff. If he b-lines to the nat he can engage the cyclones without the reapers and take a convincing fight. Here is a clip to show when he sees the reapers go up the cliff. https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainySleepyCrocodileTakeNRGI watched the replay from sottorks view with this selected in the command card. At no point was a single reaper selected from 4:00 to until the main fight begins with all reapers in view of both players. Only 3reapers selected at a time, and they were his reapers, he goes on to HOTKEY them after he has them selected, then uses that hotkey during the fight. They are clearly his reapers. EDIT: Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist. They just banned someone for maphacking from the qualifier buddy
No, they removed him for "account sharing", not hacking. "buddy".
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On March 30 2017 15:07 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:53 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff The reason he doesnt go up the cliff, is because he see's avilos reapers go up the cliff. If he b-lines to the nat he can engage the cyclones without the reapers and take a convincing fight. Here is a clip to show when he sees the reapers go up the cliff. https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainySleepyCrocodileTakeNRGI watched the replay from sottorks view with this selected in the command card. At no point was a single reaper selected from 4:00 to until the main fight begins with all reapers in view of both players. Only 3reapers selected at a time, and they were his reapers, he goes on to HOTKEY them after he has them selected, then uses that hotkey during the fight. They are clearly his reapers. EDIT: On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist. They just banned someone for maphacking from the qualifier buddy No, they removed him for "account sharing", not hacking. "buddy".
Their wording is vague.
"In the course of our investigation, we discovered that Vindicta was one of several players logging into accounts that had been actioned for hacking in the past, and also had known hackers logging onto accounts under his name."
Fair point, it doesn't necessarily say he was hacking.
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On March 30 2017 15:07 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 14:53 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff The reason he doesnt go up the cliff, is because he see's avilos reapers go up the cliff. If he b-lines to the nat he can engage the cyclones without the reapers and take a convincing fight. Here is a clip to show when he sees the reapers go up the cliff. https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainySleepyCrocodileTakeNRGI watched the replay from sottorks view with this selected in the command card. At no point was a single reaper selected from 4:00 to until the main fight begins with all reapers in view of both players. Only 3reapers selected at a time, and they were his reapers, he goes on to HOTKEY them after he has them selected, then uses that hotkey during the fight. They are clearly his reapers. EDIT: On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist. They just banned someone for maphacking from the qualifier buddy No, they removed him for "account sharing", not hacking. "buddy".
They let other pros account share all the time, even when streaming. Blizzard is bias here. They only enforce rules vs people they don't like, they banned "hacker/account sharer" as an excuse/scapegoat to dq avilo. They don't like avilo. It's an oldboys club and everyone knows it, it always has been. If the powers that be don't like you, they will use whatever excuse they can to keep you out of the group. They like scarlett/neeb so they didn't ban them for sharing accounts the handful of times they did it on livestream. Why? Because it's an oldboys club. It's a shame because this type of conditional reinforcement of rules is what stifles growth in the longterm and is a major turn off. Edit: Even korean pros share accounts, blizzard doesn't do a damn thing about it. It's all malarky. Edit: Blizzard bans the "hacker/account sharer" only from the events, but allows the hacker to roam free on b.net. lol
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On March 30 2017 15:19 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 15:07 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:On March 30 2017 14:53 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff The reason he doesnt go up the cliff, is because he see's avilos reapers go up the cliff. If he b-lines to the nat he can engage the cyclones without the reapers and take a convincing fight. Here is a clip to show when he sees the reapers go up the cliff. https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainySleepyCrocodileTakeNRGI watched the replay from sottorks view with this selected in the command card. At no point was a single reaper selected from 4:00 to until the main fight begins with all reapers in view of both players. Only 3reapers selected at a time, and they were his reapers, he goes on to HOTKEY them after he has them selected, then uses that hotkey during the fight. They are clearly his reapers. EDIT: On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist. They just banned someone for maphacking from the qualifier buddy No, they removed him for "account sharing", not hacking. "buddy". They let other pros account share all the time, even when streaming. Blizzard is bias here. They only enforce rules vs people they don't like, they banned "hacker/account sharer" as an excuse/scapegoat to dq avilo. They don't like avilo. It's an oldboys club and everyone knows it, it always has been. If the powers that be don't like you, they will use whatever excuse they can to keep you out of the group. They like scarlett/neeb so they didn't ban them for sharing accounts the handful of times they did it on livestream. Why? Because it's an oldboys club. It's a shame because this type of conditional reinforcement of rules is what stifles growth in the longterm and is a major turn off. Edit: Even korean pros share accounts, blizzard doesn't do a damn thing about it. It's all malarky.
I am not disagreeing, but as of right now, that is their excuse. They couldn't prove hacking on nero except different IP's being on the account which equals to account sharing. Sorry, I want to agree with you 100%, but at the moment, this is "their" excuse.
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On March 30 2017 15:28 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 15:19 ReachTheSky wrote:On March 30 2017 15:07 Xx_Enchantress_xX wrote:On March 30 2017 14:53 Editor_In_Chimp wrote:On March 30 2017 14:45 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
he does click directly on the avilo reaper.... and why would he move this units to that location, he clicks there first to try and cut them off, instead of going onto cliff The reason he doesnt go up the cliff, is because he see's avilos reapers go up the cliff. If he b-lines to the nat he can engage the cyclones without the reapers and take a convincing fight. Here is a clip to show when he sees the reapers go up the cliff. https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainySleepyCrocodileTakeNRGI watched the replay from sottorks view with this selected in the command card. At no point was a single reaper selected from 4:00 to until the main fight begins with all reapers in view of both players. Only 3reapers selected at a time, and they were his reapers, he goes on to HOTKEY them after he has them selected, then uses that hotkey during the fight. They are clearly his reapers. EDIT: On March 30 2017 14:49 avilo wrote:
But according to blizzard mh doesn't exist. They just banned someone for maphacking from the qualifier buddy No, they removed him for "account sharing", not hacking. "buddy". They let other pros account share all the time, even when streaming. Blizzard is bias here. They only enforce rules vs people they don't like, they banned "hacker/account sharer" as an excuse/scapegoat to dq avilo. They don't like avilo. It's an oldboys club and everyone knows it, it always has been. If the powers that be don't like you, they will use whatever excuse they can to keep you out of the group. They like scarlett/neeb so they didn't ban them for sharing accounts the handful of times they did it on livestream. Why? Because it's an oldboys club. It's a shame because this type of conditional reinforcement of rules is what stifles growth in the longterm and is a major turn off. Edit: Even korean pros share accounts, blizzard doesn't do a damn thing about it. It's all malarky. I am not disagreeing, but as of right now, that is their excuse. They couldn't prove hacking on nero except different IP's being on the account which equals to account sharing. Sorry, I want to agree with you 100%, but at the moment, this is "their" excuse.
Keep in mind, he is not only banned for sharing accounts, rather sharing accounts with known hackers.
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On March 30 2017 14:22 avilo wrote:
So i get punished for exposing the hacker and not thanked or given a second chance to qualify from the one i got robbed?
Blizzard logic at it's finest backwards. I hope the community does not put up for this bullshit, no matter if someone personally doesn't like me or not, i've never cheated in this game, and i just literally saved 3-4 other people that had their matches ruined by this hacker as well.
I deserve another chance to qualify as well. I had a right to be upset that they made me play vs him even before the match i presented evidence showing who he was, and they refused to DQ him. On top of that, WCS official casters live on stream gave me shit, as usual with their condescending tones (except tod) and even went so far as to lie and say hacks don't exist on SC2.
This is all around bullshit but i don't really expect much these days. I'm really hoping the SC2 community will stand up for me here, and the other players that are going to get another chance to qualify if they have any honor at all will stand up for me too for my chance to play that was robbed from me. Considering me even bringing all of this issue up in the first place is what is going to allow them to get re-games.
This is as usual another biased attempt against me from Blizzard. Just like when they permabanned me from the bnet forums for giving CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK about 3 rax reapers.
This is ridiculous.
Why don't you include that the administrator warned more than enough times about your stubborness and that THEY WERE in a process and you keep harrassing him vía whisper saying that you knew there was no process. Why don't you told them that oh suprise, you lost again and already accused another player of maphacking?
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And now Avilo imagine that u pointed out to Blizzard problems with that player without saying all that biased shit toward casters and admins on their channel.
You could easily repeat all your matches just as other competing players. The only difference between you and them is that they haven't been toxic. I would say that Blizzard is giving you valuable lesson. Learn something instead bitching about it. BEHAVE next time.
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