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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 10 2016 09:51 aQuaSC wrote: TL is not a guarantee for everything now, they had to move some resources to their new Civilization department + Show Spoiler + Just kidding, don't hate on me I had already forgotten about the Civ team. I still don't understand that one at all | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 10 2016 09:51 lestye wrote: Which is ultimately not their fault. Blizzard didn't run or organize the Proleague, that what Kespa did. ... Obviously I also pointed out that not all of Koreas woes were Blizzatds fault. PL falls under the "not Blizzards fault necessarily" umbrella | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18051 Posts
On December 10 2016 09:48 ossavi09 wrote: so some WCS players will get their travel expenses paid and all the others better hope they are on teamliquid? o.O $2 from each TL Winter Hat goes to pay for a fleet of TL private jets. a half dozen Boeing Business Jet 2s. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 10 2016 10:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: $2 from each TL Winter Hat goes to pay for a fleet of TL private jets. a half dozen Boeing Business Jet 2s. We will build our own plane with Snute on it | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 10 2016 09:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I had already forgotten about the Civ team. I still don't understand that one at all It's ok TL forgot about it too. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Also with there being fewer tournaments in WCS Circuit hopefully we'll see double elimination and/or big round robin groups so players can play a bit more matches. Actually didn't quite realize reading the first time that this will be ALL there is for WCS. Besides it being sparse for the players I can imagine the caster life will also be way harder like this as they'll likely all have to work parttime. Wonder if we'll see caster retirements too. I still think them already committing to 2018 as well is one of the best things ever. All these years with overly late info and formats changing every year haven't helped at all so I'm very glad there's a clear plan ahead plus less uncertainty for all the players. | ||
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Antonidas
United States105 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 10 2016 10:18 Antonidas wrote: SC II prize pool is a joke. Feel free to chip in. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1974 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 10 2016 10:23 mizenhauer wrote: Yes, that makes perfect sense. The region lock is the problem because all of those Koreans who can't make enough money from the current system will fly out to foreign tournaments at their own expense (because they still won't have teams) where they will lose to the same Koreans they lose to in GSL. Right? I don't understand why people are hung up on tournaments when it comes to Korea. All that matters is team salary, the guaranteed money that allowed Koreans to hold off military service and forego a traditional education. It's fairly obvious that no Korean companies want to sponsor starcraft, so it's left to foreign teams to pick up the talented former kespa pros. Unfortunately, with the region lock, they have no impetus to. The super tournaments have miniscule prize pools, leaving 3 gsls for the entire scene to subsist upon. The region lock is what will drive players into retirement, not the number of tournaments. This is a 2 year plan, but it's hard to imagine many players sticking around that long. On December 10 2016 10:18 Antonidas wrote: I'm sure you have nothing meaningful to actually say, but StarCraft II awarded 3 million dollars to 385 players so far this year. How is that a joke? There is also the opportunity to increase the funding next year with the war chest.SC II prize pool is a joke. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
On December 10 2016 10:43 Ansibled wrote: Yes, that makes perfect sense. The region lock is the problem because all of those Koreans who can't make enough money from the current system will fly out to foreign tournaments at their own expense (because they still won't have teams) where they will lose to the same Koreans they lose to in GSL. Right? I'm sure you have nothing meaningful to actually say, but StarCraft II awarded 3 million dollars to 385 players so far this year. How is that a joke? There is also the opportunity to increase the funding next year with the war chest. I think the logic behind the region lock complaints is that if it's that difficult for Koreans to travel to international tournaments there's even less impetus for a foreign team to pick them up, who, if they had the incentive to invest in Koreans to travel to tournaments, would likely cover travel expenses. Not saying it's necessarily the way it'd shake out but you didn't seem to understand the point (which I'd say is reasonable) others were making. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 10 2016 11:02 sparklyresidue wrote: I think the logic behind the region lock complaints is that if it's that difficult for Koreans to travel to international tournaments there's even less impetus for a foreign team to pick them up, who, if they had the incentive to invest in Koreans to travel to tournaments, would likely cover travel expenses. Not saying it's necessarily the way it'd shake out but you didn't seem to understand the point (which I'd say is reasonable) others were making. I don't believe foreign teams would pick up Koreans much more than they currently do if the region lock was lifted, and the Koreans who might get picked up because of this change are likely the ones who would have no trouble earning money in tournaments. If foreign teams were dedicated to picking up Korean players, they are allowed to compete in the WCS circuit like Polt and TRUE did. Region locking is a poor excuse, and removing it will cause more damage than it will solve problems. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On December 10 2016 10:43 Ansibled wrote: Yes, that makes perfect sense. The region lock is the problem because all of those Koreans who can't make enough money from the current system will fly out to foreign tournaments at their own expense (because they still won't have teams) where they will lose to the same Koreans they lose to in GSL. Right? I'm sure you have nothing meaningful to actually say, but StarCraft II awarded 3 million dollars to 385 players so far this year. How is that a joke? There is also the opportunity to increase the funding next year with the war chest. not every Korean is willing to flight oversea. More than that, many Koreans who already joined foreign teams like Byun, Solar or some are also looking for team like Soo, those amazing guys will not be able to play in foreign tournaments even though they would love to. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 10 2016 11:18 ParksonVN wrote: not every Korean is willing to flight oversea. More than that, many Koreans who already joined foreign teams like Byun, Solar or some are also looking for team like Soo, those amazing guys will not be able to play in foreign tournaments even though they would love to. ByuN, Solar, and soO are not the ones who will struggle to place well in tournaments in Korea. They won't be forced into retirement from this system. They might want to play in foreign tournaments, and they can with Katowice and whatever other global tournaments we might have, but what does that have to do with anything? Allowing them won't change that low tier Korean players will struggle, it will make most foreigners struggle with them. It's better to have a deep scene than to let a few players fly around until no one is left to play against. StarCraft doesn't need to be more top heavy than it already is. I mean it doesn't really matter what people think region lock is here to stay. It won't be the death of Korean StarCraft but if you need an excuse feel free to use it I guess. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3578 Posts
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Chibuyo
Germany14 Posts
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BartCraft
Netherlands45 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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