EPTbesides, it would be hard to make UI as buggy as it was in BW
and u can hardly get any new blood to a scene having such cool graphics and pathing like in BW, simply too hard and doesn't looks promising for new ppl
sorry guys, u are in the past
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
besides, it would be hard to make UI as buggy as it was in BW and u can hardly get any new blood to a scene having such cool graphics and pathing like in BW, simply too hard and doesn't looks promising for new ppl sorry guys, u are in the past | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
Sad for MVP, though predictable indeed. Keep strong JAGW, even foreigner can buy plane tickets I guess? | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
P.S. Im back from my ban for making a joke, love ya losers | ||
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KappaKingPrime
United States468 Posts
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On December 04 2016 20:34 AbouSV wrote: And another thread that got derailed into 'they should have never left BW anyway' :/ Sad for MVP, though predictable indeed. Keep strong JAGW, even foreigner can buy plane tickets I guess? What do you expect? The alternative is ignoring the cold facts that every team is disbanding and big name players are either retiring or returning to BW. That speaks volumes about perception of the quality between sc2 vs bw. I wish this conversation never had to happen either but that's what's really happening. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On December 04 2016 20:32 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: stop dreaming bout BW with SC2 engine, that won't happen, u got some replicas called "Starbow" and few other mods besides, it would be hard to make UI as buggy as it was in BW and u can hardly get any new blood to a scene having such cool graphics and pathing like in BW, simply too hard and doesn't looks promising for new ppl sorry guys, u are in the past If we were in the past, BW would not be one of the top 10 games in Korea still, while SC2 is what like number 60 or something? I haven't checked gametrics in a while. Lol | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
But I really think Blizzard made a great mistake in not getting the same design people for Starcraft 2, that they had for starcaft and broodwar. It seems to me they approached starcraft 2 with the same mindset and kind of design philosophy as Command & Conquer etc. which had no real unit design other than make it big, cool looking and satisfying as many cliches as possible... I personally think blizzard became to arrogant and complacent. The fact of them introducing the mothership was the first indication.. My initial reaction was "Are you kidding is this C&C? Did you watch too much independence day?" Then the forcefield.. first thought in the beta "What the fuck this ability is so strong, how can that work?" They can still turn Starcraft 2 into a worthy starcraft, but only with more radical changes and maybe by adding some of the old team or some new blood that has an idea and a vision of the races and how their units should be designed. If there is anything we should have learned by now: "Make good design first, then balance for the fine tuning" Don't balance around bad design. In any case I guess Blizzard blew it's chance to make sc2 a worthy successor to BW in Korea. SC2 will still survive... since we don't really have any other good RTS for esports. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
67k viewers today for ASL for a RO24 Again why should Korea give in demands towards some SC2 foreigners who a) never achieved anything in BW, never did anything positive to the BW scene b) Blizzard forced the transition towards SC2 and robbed 4 years of highest level BW c) SC2 killed proleague which was build up through hard work throughout the years. It is usually in history that those who lose a destructive, pointless war should not demand war reparations. You either watch BW despite the graphics, or forever stay with SC2. Don't demand anything to the detriment of people who are actually passionate about BW for so many years, who sticked with it for so long Indeed times have changed. May you should change as well and accept BW as it is. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On December 04 2016 23:10 duke91 wrote: Don't demand anything to the detriment of people who are actually passionate about BW for so many years, who sticked with it for so long Indeed times have changed. May you should change as well and accept BW as it is. Took the words right out of my mouth honestly. It's funny how some people choose to live in the delusion that BW is dead just because they are ignorant to the scene. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote: 99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is. I think it would be a very good idea to make a "bw 2". Look at csgo. I cant help but compare csgo to sc2: for someone who loved 1.6 and BW back in the day it is pretty clear which gaming company did the right choice and which dropped the ball. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Can you prove that number? Where is it coming from? Counting every single streamer who might have watched it on his stream? | ||
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KappaKingPrime
United States468 Posts
Where did you get that number from and how much it is inflated by viewbots? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 04 2016 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: Can you prove that number? Where is it coming from? Counting every single streamer who might have watched it on his stream? Even if it was true I'm sure that 90% of it were Koreans, which ofc isn't a bad thing considering it's a Korean tournament. In fact it's a good thing, it's what SC2 lacked in Korea. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 04 2016 23:42 HolydaKing wrote: Even if it was true I'm sure that 90% of it were Koreans, which ofc isn't a bad thing considering it's a Korean tournament. In fact it's a good thing, it's what SC2 lacked in Korea. Nah sure, i know that it's popular in korea and i like it that way, but 67k seems like a number he pulled out of his ass and i don't appreciate that. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On December 04 2016 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: Can you prove that number? Where is it coming from? Counting every single streamer who might have watched it on his stream? https://m.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/5gejp3/comment/darq1ri Pulled right out if my ass This behavior sums up whats wrong with this community. If a fact doesn't fit my worldview it must be pulled out of someones ass and i don't appreciate that | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 04 2016 23:59 duke91 wrote: https://m.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/5gejp3/comment/darq1ri Pulled right out if my ass This behavior sums up whats wrong with this community. If a fact doesn't fit my worldview it must be pulled out of someones ass and i don't appreciate that Ah you are fruchtzergeis, that explains a lot. As i said, simply adding up all the numbers of streamers, yeah makes sense. Knowing who you are i am out though, waste of time to discuss anything with you | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On December 05 2016 00:17 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ah you are fruchtzergeis, that explains a lot. As i said, simply adding up all the numbers of streamers, yeah makes sense. Knowing who you are i am out though, waste of time to discuss anything with you Apparently there is something to discuss about simple and clear numbers. I don't get it though. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On December 04 2016 22:20 Freeborn wrote: BW became part of the culture, It can hardly be compared. But I really think Blizzard made a great mistake in not getting the same design people for Starcraft 2, that they had for starcaft and broodwar. It seems to me they approached starcraft 2 with the same mindset and kind of design philosophy as Command & Conquer etc. which had no real unit design other than make it big, cool looking and satisfying as many cliches as possible... I personally think blizzard became to arrogant and complacent. The fact of them introducing the mothership was the first indication.. My initial reaction was "Are you kidding is this C&C? Did you watch too much independence day?" Then the forcefield.. first thought in the beta "What the fuck this ability is so strong, how can that work?" They can still turn Starcraft 2 into a worthy starcraft, but only with more radical changes and maybe by adding some of the old team or some new blood that has an idea and a vision of the races and how their units should be designed. If there is anything we should have learned by now: "Make good design first, then balance for the fine tuning" Don't balance around bad design. In any case I guess Blizzard blew it's chance to make sc2 a worthy successor to BW in Korea. SC2 will still survive... since we don't really have any other good RTS for esports. SC2 in Korea was mostly killed because you had to pay for the game itself. SC:BW was played off 1 copy per computer. Though the big killer was LoL coming out fairly soon after SC2 launched while being F2P. Pretty much everyone was playing LoL from 2011 through 2016. That's why there is so much talent in competitive teams. | ||
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