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snrub
Profile Blog Joined November 2016
Canada20 Posts
December 04 2016 02:53 GMT
#61
Another day, another team.

I wouldn't have taken those couple years off from SC2 had I known that it was gonna turn out like this so soon.

JAGW please stay.
I like the way Snrub thinks!
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 04:10:36
December 04 2016 03:46 GMT
#62
I have the feeling that all this escalated rather quickly for the Korean SC2 scene in the past months, though it mightve been a longer process, due to all the investigations with matchfixing and stuff.

I just want to say thank you so much South Korea for the amazing incredible talents that you produced, it has been an amazing ride.

Dont really see the point for a single team to remain active now, but if they figure things out, and somehow make things work then I will be of course happy.
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
December 04 2016 04:28 GMT
#63
On December 04 2016 12:46 xtorn wrote:
I have the feeling that all this escalated rather quickly for the Korean SC2 scene in the past months, though it mightve been a longer process, due to all the investigations with matchfixing and stuff.

I just want to say thank you so much South Korea for the amazing incredible talents that you produced, it has been an amazing ride.

Dont really see the point for a single team to remain active now, but if they figure things out, and somehow make things work then I will be of course happy.

It was a longer process but one people refused to discuss. It was a censored topic even.

I mean can you really say anything else when stuff like ProLeague, a tournament that should have tens of thousands of viewers and one time for brood war did (even millions during finals).. and it pulled a measly 5000 viewers on a good day during the regular season.

I've said this a few times and I don't like saying it ever but it's how it is. SC2 is completely dead outside of SC2 forums. It's not growing at all. There's less people ranked on NA than there are playing Rocket League simultaneously on a given night. And Rocket Leagues not exactly a heavyweight entry in esports.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
December 04 2016 04:55 GMT
#64
On December 04 2016 05:20 NinjaToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 05:18 geissenberg wrote:
so how many team are left?


If it's Korean team, then only JinAir is left


There isn't much of a point of just have one team.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 04 2016 07:29 GMT
#65
On December 04 2016 13:28 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 12:46 xtorn wrote:
I have the feeling that all this escalated rather quickly for the Korean SC2 scene in the past months, though it mightve been a longer process, due to all the investigations with matchfixing and stuff.

I just want to say thank you so much South Korea for the amazing incredible talents that you produced, it has been an amazing ride.

Dont really see the point for a single team to remain active now, but if they figure things out, and somehow make things work then I will be of course happy.

It was a longer process but one people refused to discuss. It was a censored topic even.

This is the one thing that disgusted me about parts of the SC2 community. When the topic was brought out, some people would go apeshit and became aggressive and entitled as if not talking about it would magically make things better (for them maybe, by not scaring sponsors). Funny how some of those people were the first ones to jump ship never to be heard from again, in SC2.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 04 2016 07:42 GMT
#66
Jinair should be next. They all need money for the power-up race in LCK
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
December 04 2016 08:23 GMT
#67
On December 04 2016 05:20 NinjaToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 05:18 geissenberg wrote:
so how many team are left?


If it's Korean team, then only JinAir is left


Literally a one horse race. So what are the odds on JinAir winning the next team event
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
December 04 2016 08:31 GMT
#68
On December 04 2016 13:55 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 05:20 NinjaToss wrote:
On December 04 2016 05:18 geissenberg wrote:
so how many team are left?


If it's Korean team, then only JinAir is left


There isn't much of a point of just have one team.

Maybe they could at most downsize to just offering personal sponsorships to their star players. I think they still have them painted on a plane after all.

It's somber to think that the latest team to the scene happens to be the last to stand in all this. It's amazing how they came in to save an OSL and Team 8 with a title sponsorship before becoming a powerhouse in SC2.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 04 2016 08:35 GMT
#69
On December 04 2016 17:23 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 05:20 NinjaToss wrote:
On December 04 2016 05:18 geissenberg wrote:
so how many team are left?


If it's Korean team, then only JinAir is left


Literally a one horse race. So what are the odds on JinAir winning the next team event


Zero because there is no team event in the horizon.
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
December 04 2016 08:52 GMT
#70
man...what teams are even left?
I'm terranfying
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
December 04 2016 09:22 GMT
#71
No Choya, you were supposed to survive KeSPA, not join them and burn down with them.
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SlammerSC2
Profile Joined April 2013
77 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 09:50:15
December 04 2016 09:47 GMT
#72
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
December 04 2016 09:53 GMT
#73
On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.
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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
December 04 2016 09:57 GMT
#74
On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.

times change, so do people.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 04 2016 09:58 GMT
#75
On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.


Pointless. It wouldn't be Brood War if it was in the SC2 engine.

SC2 simply won't be a big thing in Korea.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 04 2016 09:59 GMT
#76
On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.

hey now some of us got into esports because of SC2.

i mean there's no real way around it, bw looks dated. not enough to not watch it of course, but wanting a graphical update isn't unreasonable
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 04 2016 10:09 GMT
#77
Goodbye
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
December 04 2016 10:15 GMT
#78
On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.

That's kind of ignorant. There are many Sc2-fans who also love Broodwar and even if I'm following BW only loosely I find it offensive to get called out as "never gave fuck". I know, you said "mostly" but that is not even close to the truth.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Trizztein
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 10:33:40
December 04 2016 10:28 GMT
#79
On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.


I personnally don't give a f*ck about the graphics but still play SC2. Proof: I will play the lowest possible graphics in SC2, even remove music and all violence/unuseful sounds (honestly, I really couldn't care less). So then why not going back to BW, a game I played during a big part of my childhood? Because I can't picture myself going back to individually rallying workers, or being limited to selecting only 12 units at a time, or being limited in so many other things. I feel like the mechanics take up too large a space as compared to strategy in these situations, and as far as I like the idea of physical memory training and accuracy (don't get me wrong, I would just play chess if I wouldn't like these), I like the strategical aspect of the game too much, which is IMO enhanced by a minimum of mechanical facilitating tools (is that even an expression? Well, you get my point).

Besides, I want to play an RTS which is still evolving in it's design; I think patches and balance/design changes are refreshing, and that is why I'll probably always stick with mainstream RTS blizzard game (or any other game which could seriously compete in it's regard).
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
December 04 2016 10:36 GMT
#80
You can update BW graphics to HD but keep the core engine the same. I think that would be a good idea. I repeat, gameplay 100% the game. Multiplayer and stuff can use the new bnet system, but keep LAN.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
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