MVP disbands

On December 04 2016 05:18 geissenberg wrote:
so how many team are left?

On December 04 2016 05:06 Solar424 wrote:
I'm surprised it took them this long. With no teams to compete against I wouldn't be surprised to see Jin Air disband by the end of the year. This must be what's taking Blizzard so long with the WCS announcement: they need to know if there will be a Korean scene next year.

On December 04 2016 05:44 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Kinda excpected I guess? just wondering what's the reason Jin Air still on air, what's the point

On December 04 2016 05:51 F1rstAssau1t wrote:
Inb4 "daed gaem" meme and follow up discussion.

On December 04 2016 06:28 showstealer1829 wrote:
MVP was taking a "Wait and See" approach for WCS 2017 before they made a choice I think. So either they got tired of waiting....or they know something we don't

On December 04 2016 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:

Don't understand what was warn-worthy in this post.

On December 04 2016 07:24 ZAiNs wrote:

I wasn't being sarcastic, Overwatch clearly is a game designed for mass appeal.

On December 04 2016 07:52 RoninKenshin wrote:
I wonder if SC2 could gain more popularity in the future without the teams. I've always thought that Kespa's way of doing things was too damaging to the scene; not letting players stream, not cooperating with other organizations, not allowing talent to play in certain tournaments, pushing teams to emphasize Proleague over individual tournaments, and basically keeping a restrictive leash over everyone.

Brood War was diminishing significantly during the transition period (don't get me wrong, it was still popular and I know there were many factors including Blizzard pushing the transition), but I think the freedom of the players after the Kespa leash was... unleashed... allowed the scene to bloom to what it is now. Obviously people love Brood War too, but people love Starcraft 2 as well. I truly hope that the same can happen to Starcraft 2, and that it could have a second wind.

Either that or Warcraft 4 comes out I guess.

On December 04 2016 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Just their sc2 roster right?

On December 04 2016 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Just their sc2 roster right?

On December 04 2016 08:07 Musicus wrote:
Just their sc2 roster right?

On December 04 2016 08:51 GrandSmurf wrote:
korean teams are throwing in the towel.

anyone claiming 'everything is fine' is clearly delusional. surely a long stretch from dead gaem.. but really..

On December 04 2016 09:38 DwD wrote:
I remember when Blizzard came out with their new rules and every western pro were praising them so much saying how great it was gonna be... Yeah about that... They only had their own interest in mind. People tried to warn what would happen and look at the state of the game...

On December 04 2016 09:41 Ansibled wrote:

WCS has nothing to do with KeSPA teams disbanding.

On December 04 2016 09:59 Charoisaur wrote:

it had nothing to do with Proleague discontinuing but I'm not so sure it had nothing to do with MVP (or some other teams) disbanding.
If their players would be able to perform in overseas tournaments there would be some reason for them to continue as a team.

On December 04 2016 09:41 Ansibled wrote:

WCS has nothing to do with KeSPA teams disbanding.

On December 04 2016 09:25 Togekiss wrote:
I'm as passionate about SC2 as the rest of you - especially the KR scene - but for this to come as a surprise to anyone at all is complete ignorance of what's has been happening since the beginning of LotV and the WCS changes that came with it.

That being said, it obviously doesn't diminish the sadness I feel finally reading it, and as much as I hope JAGW continues to fly strong, it's only a matter of time...

I just hold out for an announcement from Blizzard that will really change the WCS system for Koreans going forward this upcoming year, because there are only so many Korean pros (out of the already terribly small pool of top level players), which can survive the current teamless Korean environment that now exists.

On December 04 2016 13:55 BronzeKnee wrote:


There isn't much of a point of just have one team.

On December 04 2016 18:47 SlammerSC2 wrote:
I think the best option at this point is to remake Broodwar in the SC2 engine and use that as the live game. The only reason i dont really watch broodwar streamers is because of the graphics.

On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote:


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.

On December 04 2016 18:53 duke91 wrote:


99% prefer BW as it is right now. Look at how many viewers BW streamers get. Why should we pamper the miniscule SC2 scene who mostly never gave a fuck about BW because of graphics? I can't believe how entitled this demand is.

On December 04 2016 23:10 duke91 wrote:


67k viewers today for ASL for a RO24

On December 04 2016 23:10 duke91 wrote:


67k viewers today for ASL for a RO24

On December 04 2016 23:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:

Can you prove that number? Where is it coming from? Counting every single streamer who might have watched it on his stream?

On December 04 2016 23:42 HolydaKing wrote:

Even if it was true I'm sure that 90% of it were Koreans, which ofc isn't a bad thing considering it's a Korean tournament. In fact it's a good thing, it's what SC2 lacked in Korea.

On December 04 2016 23:59 duke91 wrote:


https://m.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/5gejp3/comment/darq1ri

Pulled right out if my ass

This behavior sums up whats wrong with this community. If a fact doesn't fit my worldview it must be pulled out of someones ass and i don't appreciate that

On December 04 2016 22:20 Freeborn wrote:
BW became part of the culture, It can hardly be compared.

But I really think Blizzard made a great mistake in not getting the same design people for Starcraft 2, that they had for starcaft and broodwar.
It seems to me they approached starcraft 2 with the same mindset and kind of design philosophy as Command & Conquer etc. which had no real unit design other than make it big, cool looking and satisfying as many cliches as possible...

I personally think blizzard became to arrogant and complacent. The fact of them introducing the mothership was the first indication.. My initial reaction was "Are you kidding is this C&C? Did you watch too much independence day?"
Then the forcefield.. first thought in the beta "What the fuck this ability is so strong, how can that work?"

They can still turn Starcraft 2 into a worthy starcraft, but only with more radical changes and maybe by adding some of the old team or some new blood that has an idea and a vision of the races and how their units should be designed.

If there is anything we should have learned by now: "Make good design first, then balance for the fine tuning" Don't balance around bad design.

In any case I guess Blizzard blew it's chance to make sc2 a worthy successor to BW in Korea.

SC2 will still survive... since we don't really have any other good RTS for esports.

On December 05 2016 02:28 RealityIsKing wrote:


Newflash: Koreans were allowed to play SC2 without paying in PC Bangs.

SC2's gameplay simply didn't capture most of BW's audience.

On December 05 2016 01:41 SeriousLus wrote:



just TL mods being how they always are.. stating facts gets u banned.. when a progamer says the same thing as us, all is good.. weird logic

User was banned for this post.Terrible history and constant negativity

On December 05 2016 05:26 LongShot27 wrote:


You guys seriously banned someone for stating something that is true. Why are you acting like thought police. Some people don't agree with you. Can you not deal with that? Are you seriously going to keep banning people for saying things like Proleague is going to end, GSL is going to end and all the Korean Teams are gonna disband? Well you can't for 2 of them because we were right.

On December 05 2016 06:56 hitthat wrote:


I can only talk for myself.
I'm sure you doesnt want to read this, but it wasnt option in 2012, it is not option now. Back than when PL was switching I wouldnt consider SC2 any way more atractive than LoL and DotA2. Since than quality of games improved a lot and watching it becoming borderline entertaining for me but it still was in no way BW2 I really wanted. Hell, some games I watched I would even consider awsome. Yet I still treat SC2 as completely different franchise even when its official continuation of BW.
Seeing korean BW amatour scene contributing from collapse of SC2 SPL in Korea makes it hard to feel sorry. Actually if I knew earlier that some of the greatest players of the past would go back to playing BW after SPL department (as they did) I would actively cheer for it to die. Sellfish? Yes. But admit, many of you would do wish it to other scenes if it would be about the benefits of SC2.

The games are too much different.

On December 04 2016 06:42 papaz wrote:


Very hard. Gaming market has changed too much at this point. On top of that they couldn't even convince the BW crowd that SC2 is what they should switch to.

I love RTS and I hope Blizzard one day can make an RTS that brings in the big crowd.

On December 05 2016 05:52 Charoisaur wrote:

why does it matter if you are right or wrong? what do you gain by constantly stating how dead the game is in an sc2 forum? do you want to ruin the experience for the people who are still passionate about the game?

also this should be in website feedback.

On December 05 2016 15:12 LongShot27 wrote:


Because when people stick their heads in the sand and go "NANANANA the game is fine" instead of going "you know what that's correct, we either need to address the issues as a community or give up" you're part of the problem

On December 05 2016 03:38 Pr0wler wrote:

Hahahah, I had a good laugh with that post. First of all take it easy, there is no war. Many people love BW as much as SC2. And play one of the two for some reason(for example no widescreen resolution in BW is killing it for me. Also I'm old and slow now... even for SC2.).
The Koreans killed their own BW and SC2 scenes, foreigners had nothing to do with that. They did it with the countless matchfixing scandals and with dumb decisions.
Basically KeSPA never adapted to anything(as expected from a government organization). For example,last season when WCS was region-locked, they didn't create smaller tournaments for the players bellow top 50. They never created tournaments for younger/amateur players in both BW or SC2.
Lack of new/young players was a problem in BW and they never adressed it. They just switched the games.

I really hope now when SC2 Proleague is discontinued, KeSPA picks up BW again. But I have my doubts.

On December 05 2016 03:38 Pr0wler wrote:

Hahahah, I had a good laugh with that post. First of all take it easy, there is no war. Many people love BW as much as SC2. And play one of the two for some reason(for example no widescreen resolution in BW is killing it for me. Also I'm old and slow now... even for SC2.).
The Koreans killed their own BW and SC2 scenes, foreigners had nothing to do with that. They did it with the countless matchfixing scandals and with dumb decisions.
Basically KeSPA never adapted to anything(as expected from a government organization). For example,last season when WCS was region-locked, they didn't create smaller tournaments for the players bellow top 50. They never created tournaments for younger/amateur players in both BW or SC2.
Lack of new/young players was a problem in BW and they never adressed it. They just switched the games.

I really hope now when SC2 Proleague is discontinued, KeSPA picks up BW again. But I have my doubts.

On December 05 2016 16:05 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Can we say sc2 is dead? or are we still being delusional?

On December 05 2016 16:05 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Can we say sc2 is dead? or are we still being delusional?

On December 06 2016 02:42 Espartaquen wrote:
Well, glad to see things are still jolly around here.
I think that it´s time to acknowledge that "mistakes were made". A lot of people complaining about "dead game" are just hurt and sad because they see that all the SC2 scene is falling apart, that people warned about it, and that still no serious action or course-change was taken by Blizzard.

Yes it might be annoying people complaining about dead game, but it pretty much is a fact by now, get over it and, if you feel like playing the game, then please do.

Back to the topic the thread is discussing, I hope the MVP players find success on their future careers, whichever those may be, it was a joy to watch them play.

On December 05 2016 16:05 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Can we say sc2 is dead? or are we still being delusional?

On December 06 2016 06:59 aQuaSC wrote:

No, most of comments (if not all) about game being dead is made by people glad that SC2 is having hard time. At least from what I've seen so far.

And it is not dead, if you honestly believe so then I don't know... I'm having hard time to not insult you in my mind somehow

On December 06 2016 07:23 LongShot27 wrote:


yeah that's not true at all. Hundreds if not thousands of people have been trying to get people to support the game by watching a dozen streams at a time, writing articles, telling people how they can help the game, telling "pros" who treat the community like shit that they have no right to do so and they get banned or told to shut up because they're "detrimental to the community". BW elitists exist, but if you think they are the majority, you're the problem.

On December 07 2016 01:37 duke91 wrote:


So like a Moba with less teamplay and heroes, but more deathball onemove game deciders?

On December 07 2016 01:42 aQuaSC wrote:

The game would draw so many players if Blizzard introduced lanes, or just a single map for ladder

On December 07 2016 01:44 Ansibled wrote:

Every game is Overgrowth.

On December 07 2016 03:05 AbouSV wrote:
What does your quote has to do with BW?

On December 09 2016 21:14 LongShot27 wrote:
it says something about the communtiy that one of the oldest, champion churning teams disbanding got a whopping eight pages