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On October 04 2016 08:58 Hot_Bid wrote:
Instead of putting all that effort and annoyance onto the TL staff (trust me when I had to do this spoiler shit for front page it was annoying af) how about the people that don't want to be spoiled simply don't come to TL for 24 hours or however long it takes to watch it? You are asking for the world to change its behavior (and all that effort still might not be effective) when really it should be just the few that want to watch differently to change theirs.
I agree, those who want to avoid spoilers must do the effort.
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Seriously, the picture choice was over the top and unnecessary. Pretty disappointed.
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On October 04 2016 09:29 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Tbh the policy hasn't really changed. There never was a no spoiler policy. It's just that the writers are putting up the recaps much faster. False. There used to be a check box to have spoiler free mode on and before that there were spoiler free news titles.
Recently I meant. Spoiler free news title stopped being a thing back in 2012, and the check box disappeared circa 2014/2015 (though it ceased being useful way before then).
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United States8476 Posts
On October 04 2016 09:29 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Tbh the policy hasn't really changed. There never was a no spoiler policy. It's just that the writers are putting up the recaps much faster. False. There used to be a check box to have spoiler free mode on and before that there were spoiler free news titles.
Both of you are somewhat correct. There used to be a no-spoiler policy, but it was discontinued in 2012. The only thing that has changed recently about KeSPA cup is that writers are putting up the recaps much faster.
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Other esport forums/communities post news of tournament winners/events without spoiler-free tags all the time. Why is it such a big deal on TL? Enlighten me, I would love to hear perspectives.
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It is a big deal because it was unexpected with KeSPA Cup, which damaged the experience to many.
From now, I will simply avoid TL if I'm not up to date, which is ok. I'm just upset that I was looking forward to KeSPA Cup so much and now I don't even feel like watching it.
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If you want to see the VOD's without spoilers, you just need to head to Youtube where you can nowadays find the entire series without spoilers and you can't even find out how many games were played because they upload a vidoe for every potential game in order to hide spoilers.
Yes, TL is a forum. And by being a forum, an article which "spoils" a result has a place here as it announces news. It tells the people that want to inform themselves how something ended which I think is what TL is for.
As I said, I have never checked TL in order to watch an "unspoiled" series because it is not the site to do so, in my opinion of course.
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I see merit on both sides of this topic but lets be real here for a second. If we consider esports to be the same as other sports then those providing coverage have a right to post spoilered results.
If I miss a NBA game live and I want to avoid seeing the result, I don't go straight to nba.com or the sports section of my news app, then complain when I see who won.
IMO its the responsibility of the individual to avoid spoilers until they see the game.
In saying this I did like it when the hide spoilers button was here. That kinda suited everyone..
When I woke up this morning the first thing I did was open teamliquid to check if Neeb had won Kespa cup. #passion-recharged.
Keep up the good work teamliquid
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On October 04 2016 10:10 kugHop wrote:
If you want to see the VOD's without spoilers, you just need to head to Youtube where you can nowadays find the entire series without spoilers and you can't even find out how many games were played because they upload a vidoe for every potential game in order to hide spoilers.
Yes, TL is a forum. And by being a forum, an article which "spoils" a result has a place here as it announces news. It tells the people that want to inform themselves how something ended which I think is what TL is for.
As I said, I have never checked TL in order to watch an "unspoiled" series because it is not the site to do so, in my opinion of course.
Uhh...
To avoid spoilers on YouTube I have to to learn the title format for the day's games so I can access the video without looking at the page. That way I can search "group a first match set1" and open it using the keyboard. Then I have to make sure to not look at the sidebar, where the top suggestion is inevitably the winner interview. Also I have to be careful not to mouse over the video itself where the progress bar (not to mention the duration indicator) can reveal the match length and remove all suspense. An errant glance at the preview image for a winner's interview or the title of any match but the first makes the outcome of almost every game obvious.
Twitch would be great for this except that their streaming of previously recorded videos is atrocious. It is the best for spoilers because you can just watch the stream. All you have to be careful of is to not look at the progress bar towards the end where it can become clear that the event ends soon overall.
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On October 04 2016 03:10 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 03:05 blade55555 wrote:On October 04 2016 02:49 Kaizor wrote:
One of the TL staff or web admin posted that they had a discussion among themselves before finally deciding that since TL.net is meant for be a news site for SC2 news, it just did not make sense to hide the news behind spoilers so that is why they stop doing it.
And i agree with them. I've always agreed with those type of things. If I didn't want spoilers, I would not go to the website that may have spoilers (intentional or not). It's like other sports, you don't go to their website and then get mad about spoilers when it's pasted on the front page. I find this to be a strange comparison, since community members here use the site for so much more than people use a news site for. Like, if I want to check my pms because someone sent me some idea for a programming project, I can't because there might be spoilers up on the front page or side bar? I can't make or read forum posts? I can't even actually try to go and find the link the vods without being spoiled? This isn't solely a news site. And anyways I understand if the people who run the site want it to primarily be a news site. That's fine. But there seems to be some argument that it's too much of a hassle to have people actually click a link, which takes like a tenth of a second, to read the results. Just put the result inside the article! It's a tenth of a second of inconvenience vs completely ruining someone's experience.
I agree with this.
Didn't there used to be a box you could check if you didn't want spoilers? How hard is that to offer as an option?
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Well, both Monk and Waxangel have responded. They do not seem to have any interest in changing the policy. I don't know who else makes decisions around here but I guess a guy in the 2012 thread was ultimately right, "Yes! The spoiler whiners lose! The war is over!". Hell, we lost and didn't even know it. 
Although, I swear there were less spoiler titles and images just a few months ago. In fact, I just looked through the last four months of Community News and I don't see any spoilers for any tournaments aside from the recent posts about Kespa Cup. No mention of GSL winner, SSL winner, or Proleague winners. In fact, the only thing I could find were the two posts titled:
[Interview] 2016 SSL Season 2 Champion
[Interview] GSL S2 Champion "Exploding Wrists"
Now unless "Exploding Wrists" is a nickname I'm not aware of, neither of these spoil it for those of us who haven't seen the matches yet.
So how can you say that the only thing that has changed is that the results are being posted faster? Results weren't posted for any of the above events. And they were MAJOR EVENTS! Or am I missing something here? I went through this forum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/news/community
Is the plan moving forward to spoil all tournaments? Winner of GSL groups, SSL groups, Proleague matches, etc?
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Jesus, does TL even know how to make money?
SOLUTION: put the spoiler free feature on TL+
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Russian Federation421 Posts
I'm so tired of this argument. TL was really straightforward about this: no spoiler policy results in less traffic. If you are unhappy about this, your only choice is not coming here to reduce traffic. If you missed 1000 discussions about it, it's your problem and getting spoiled gives you a lesson. It takes 5 seconds to find a way to get VoDs without coming to TL - do it.
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On October 04 2016 13:47 Noonius wrote:
Jesus, does TL even know how to make money?
SOLUTION: put the spoiler free feature on TL+
Ahah, evil. I like it.
When I'm looking for VoD without spoilers, I still come here, go to the tournament thread, and clic the link to the VoDs (or go to liquipedia if need be), all of that while squinting and hiding most of the screen. Old fashion but quite efficient once you get a hand of it (or an eye?).
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Don't visit TL until you have seen the vods which can be found on sites like sc2links spoiler free.
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On October 04 2016 13:47 Noonius wrote:
Jesus, does TL even know how to make money?
SOLUTION: put the spoiler free feature on TL+
So smart
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Promise + Show Spoiler +i will read all the thread and edit in if required/inspired
I'd like to add to the "tl is a news site"
if i hadn't followed kespa cup, and i don't watch evrything at all, i would not have opened tl on the front page to avoid spoiling myself the result "trigger" before i see the games and yes ruin 90% of the "excitement".
You can even still use tl, just open a pre saved link on another page .. and pm at will spoiler free.
Spoilering the front page? It would be nice, it is not possible and tl still enforces spoilers on all the details .. never the big picture, it simply shouldn't! that would be bad journalism.
What would a spoiler respectful time be? a day, a week.. lol!
This particular "event" makes it easy (unlike in more grey areas) .. this event's reach will not wait for passer by-s. anyway
(did you see how i did not spoil it? i just said an event...?)
The news is the news, don't shoot the messenger.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design.
So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 04 2016 13:47 Noonius wrote:
Jesus, does TL even know how to make money?
SOLUTION: put the spoiler free feature on TL+
You're evil! 
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On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL.
Props for trying!
My vote: + Show Spoiler +don't care really i saw spoilers and had to type in thrread.. must .. type  , i'm a grown up who takes care of himself, tl is about as cool as can be (spoiler such a result (kespa final result) would make no sense, i'm fine generally with tl spoilers/outlook for news in place), or i would not be on it. Again, sometimes i avoid tl front page .. manually  i would not use the no spoiler feature i think it is cool of you if you provide it, and lets face it you should provide such a feature (a mirror front page with cartoon emotes hiding any thread text or picture.. simply add the feature to thread creation: "this thread contains spoilers" tick box.. option set by default would be "my thread and its tittle are spoilering results")).. and you can untick it if the content does not .. presto! the user learns to assume responsibility for what he posts and you have your spoilers. Again, i would not use such a feature, but i like the idea of lots of horses riding spoilering info :D ahahahahahahahaha
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