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On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL. 
Thanks for the reply and the hard work Plexa!
Basically I would like to go to TL to look for streams, recommended matches and especially vod links without being spoiled. Others might just want to check their PMs.
Obviously I won't click on a news article or recap about a tournament if I don't want to know the result, so as long is the picture and the title don't spoil anything it's fine. So if it just says "KeSPA Cup Final Day recap" on the frontpage for example and then when I click on it I get the real title, that would be cool.
Not sure about the picture tbh.
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On October 04 2016 11:36 jake1138 wrote:
I swear there were less spoiler titles and images just a few months ago. In fact, I just looked through the last four months of Community News and I don't see any spoilers for any tournaments aside from the recent posts about Kespa Cup. No mention of GSL winner, SSL winner, or Proleague winners.
Exactly my thoughts when entering here last week to check the VODs. I freaked out, even posted about this on the LR.... Got the ByuN group totally spoiled from the title alone. Way to go!
It wasn't like this before (for a couple years or so that I'm around here), writers releasing articles faster or not. It seemed like they spoiled it on purpose 
Now I've watched the rest of the tournament through sc2links, even thinking about donating to the guy.
EDIT: I've just read the Plexa post, good stuff. Thanks!
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On October 04 2016 13:47 Noonius wrote:
Jesus, does TL even know how to make money?
SOLUTION: put the spoiler free feature on TL+
this is a good idea. i highly recommend TL does this.
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TL is where I go to see what is happening with SC2. The Community News is what is most important to me. I come here at least once a week to read "This week in StarCraft 2" or any other interesting article that gets published. I've been coming here more often recently to check out "Community Feedback Updates" and other upcoming patch discussions. I guess I could go to battle.net forums for that but I prefer to see the discussions here.
I don't know that we need a "no spoilers" checkbox like we had before. I realize it is a lot of work to implement something like that. A simple policy of not having spoilers in Community News titles and in the picture would be sufficient to satisfy me. But others may want something more. Thanks for listening.
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On October 04 2016 19:21 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 13:47 Noonius wrote:
Jesus, does TL even know how to make money?
SOLUTION: put the spoiler free feature on TL+ You're evil! 
now for the awkward bit. When do I get paid?
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On October 04 2016 21:22 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL. Thanks for the reply and the hard work Plexa! Basically I would like to go to TL to look for streams, recommended matches and especially vod links without being spoiled. Others might just want to check their PMs. Obviously I won't click on a news article or recap about a tournament if I don't want to know the result, so as long is the picture and the title don't spoil anything it's fine. So if it just says "KeSPA Cup Final Day recap" on the frontpage for example and then when I click on it I get the real title, that would be cool. Not sure about the picture tbh.
this pretty much. Thanks Plexa for talking about this! Very much appreciated.
Somebody else suggested a spoiler filter, it could be set to off as standard but easy to toggle.
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On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL.
Thanks for the reasoned response on this Plexa. It is much appreciated! To be honest, I do understand TL's decision to go with the "spoilered" news posts, and I'm OK with that even though I'd prefer no spoilers. If that's what is best for TL, then you gotta do what you gotta do.
Personally, I think what I would like to see is to keep the results in the posts on the Tourneys forum in spoiler tags. These posts are a great (probably the best) place to get information like the event times, brackets, VoDs, recommended games, etc (I couldn't check these for Kespa Cup because the results weren't in spoiler tags, though I think they were near the end). And I have no problem book marking Tourneys (or Strategy, Single Player, Fan Clubs, etc) and going straight there. Additionally, perhaps a toggle to hide/unhide the side bar(s) if that's possible? That way, an ill-fated glance at General on the side doesn't reveal what happened in ongoing events while browsing these other forums.
To me that seems like a good compromise. TL can keep up with the stellar coverage on front page / General / News. And users who don't wish to have results revealed can toggle off the side bars in advance, then go straight to Tourneys, Strategy, or other forums.
If the toggle isn't possible, then I think just keeping the results in the Tourneys page in spoilers tags is the best solution. Usually I can keep myself from glancing at the side (though not always ).
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On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL.
Thank you.
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I was also very dissappointed about the Spoiler of the kespa Cup winner...
I wanted to watch the vods yesterday but there was no Point After the winner was revealed here.
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On October 05 2016 04:59 Zulu23 wrote:
I was also very dissappointed about the Spoiler of the kespa Cup winner...
I wanted to watch the vods yesterday but there was no Point After the winner was revealed here.
to be fair, the games were amazing and you can still get a lot of entertainment value out of them
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this is why TL is so badass.
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OMG Plexa thanks a lot, honestly the old fashion with the Spiler Option working would be good.
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On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL.
wasn't there just that hide spoilers button in 2012? what was wrong with that?
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On October 05 2016 11:00 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:19 Plexa wrote:Okay so this has been a hot button issue for a while now. Formally, we've had a policy of allowing spoilers in news/thread titles for years, we've just been slow to post news so it's never been much of an issue. However, every time we're on time with posting news we're getting a lot of backlash from people not expecting to be spoiled. That's a fair point given that most of the time TL is a spoiler free place naturally, even though that's not the intent or design. So here's what we're going to do about it. We're not going to ignore the people who are complaining about spoilers and we're going to reintroduce a spoiler-free TL experience by the start of Blizzcon (October 28th). I can't be specific about what form this will take as we haven't nailed anything down, but I've been furiously working out formulating a solution that will make everyone happy. If you'd like to leave some feedback on what you'd like out of a spoiler-free TL (aside from the obvious "no spoilers") then that'd be very much appreciated. Precisely, any comments about how you use TL (or would use TL) when spoilers are hidden would help guide the final form of the spoiler free TL. wasn't there just that hide spoilers button in 2012? what was wrong with that?
It was a pain to maintain, and article names and thumbnails weren't spoiled correctly fairly often iirc.
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Katowice25012 Posts
There were also something like a total of seven and a half people using it, all of whom are now complaining here. Double that, even!
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Agree that its too bad. I get the point of not going to TL when something is going on, and I try not to - but at the same time I oftentimes look for VODs at TL, meaning I have to go into the threads. Searching on youtube spoils everything, and not everything is on twitch.
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So I read Neeb wins kespa cup on the sidebar
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Russian Federation1613 Posts
No spoilers button back pleeeeaaaase!
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On October 05 2016 16:59 riotjune wrote:
So I read Neeb wins kespa cup on the sidebar
If I recall correctly the old spoiler button removed the topics from the sidebar as well
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