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New spoiler policy? - Page 3
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Deleted User 3420
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why is this funny, am I wrong? | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
I'm guessing he means that there's no compromise that will be reached? | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On October 04 2016 02:44 seopthi wrote: Hello, for a very long time I used to come to TL, open the tourneys threads and based on "recommended" ratings I picked vods to watch. However, now I'm disheartened as it seems that the policy of putting spoilers in thread names/front page has changed, and it kind of ruined KeSPA Cup for me. Am I the only one being upset with this change? By now I have discovered a sc2links website from which I can get vods instead, but I would still prefer not needing to avoid TL until I catch up with current events. At least before the KeSPA Cup, there should have been an announcement that the results of group winners, and of the whole thing, will be visible on front page. Thank you for understanding, ~seo Dude, the "recommended" ratings have been irrelevant for very long time now, you certainly missed a lot of fun games anyway. as for spoilers, safest way now is to directly go to the youtube/twitch channels, and avoiding TL.net... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16712 Posts
On October 04 2016 03:10 travis wrote: I find this to be a strange comparison, since community members here use the site for so much more than people use a news site for. Like, if I want to check my pms because someone sent me some idea for a programming project, I can't because there might be spoilers up on the front page or side bar? I can't make or read forum posts? I can't even actually try to go and find the link the vods without being spoiled? This isn't solely a news site. And anyways I understand if the people who run the site want it to primarily be a news site. That's fine. But there seems to be some argument that it's too much of a hassle to have people actually click a link, which takes like a tenth of a second, to read the results. Just put the result inside the article! It's a tenth of a second of inconvenience vs completely ruining someone's experience. +1. i subscribe to this perspective. | ||
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BretZ
United States1510 Posts
this is a really bad look guys | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16712 Posts
nah, i think you're being hypercritical. let them have their internal shouting matches. when u pull back the curtain on almost any product .. its ugly. | ||
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
par for course | ||
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Hider
Denmark9390 Posts
On October 04 2016 02:49 Kaizor wrote: One of the TL staff or web admin posted that they had a discussion among themselves before finally deciding that since TL.net is meant for be a news site for SC2 news, it just did not make sense to hide the news behind spoilers so that is why they stop doing it. And i agree with them. TL staff doesn't know what they are doing. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5505 Posts
I will say that TL used to have a pretty decent rule, whether it was unwritten or not I can't remember but I do remember seeing somewhere in the past that it was not acceptable to put spoilers in titles within 1-2 days of an event taking place and most people would follow that guideline to allow people to watch the games. Lets face it a large majority of people here cannot watch the games live, for me they generally start around 4 am and I cannot stay up that late to watch starcraft. I am really disappointed in TL staff that this is even an issue. Common sense in my opinion would be to not spoil games that just happened in the titles of threads that cannot be avoided aside from not coming to teamliquid at all, which doesn't seem fair to me. | ||
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Anopob
Canada39 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
On October 04 2016 06:55 Anopob wrote: The reward gained by including explicit spoilers in titles/the front page doesn't seem worth the price of excluding members from the community, even if it's only for a little bit of time. This makes sense to me. I've changed my mind. After reading through this, I think a well-defined embargo period (maybe 24 hours?) before spoiler pictures go up on the front page, and a re-introduction of the old rules that would get you warned or banned for posting spoilers seem like a good compromise. The site retains its role as a news source for people looking for results, and those who visit for other reasons can continue to do so without risking spoiling Korean tourney results from the night before. | ||
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LoveYourself
6 Posts
TeamLiquid is going to lose trafic. You'll see. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On October 04 2016 03:10 travis wrote: I find this to be a strange comparison, since community members here use the site for so much more than people use a news site for. Like, if I want to check my pms because someone sent me some idea for a programming project, I can't because there might be spoilers up on the front page or side bar? I can't make or read forum posts? I can't even actually try to go and find the link the vods without being spoiled? This isn't solely a news site. And anyways I understand if the people who run the site want it to primarily be a news site. That's fine. But there seems to be some argument that it's too much of a hassle to have people actually click a link, which takes like a tenth of a second, to read the results. Just put the result inside the article! It's a tenth of a second of inconvenience vs completely ruining someone's experience. I'm against any sort of spoiler prevention stuff for two main reasons. One, the burden should be on the person watching. If you want to watch a live event later on without knowing who wins, you can forgo going to TL or Reddit until you do. That's the inconvenience of not watching something live, it works like that in every aspect of sports and entertainment. Two, efficiency. Someone who needs to not be spoiled has about a thousand ways to get spoiled. TL is just one site but there are so many points of failure (event headlines, threads, interview topics, front page picture, top threads, etc) that trying to prevent all of these for a small percentage of users who can just either not come to TL until they watched is silly. Instead of putting all that effort and annoyance onto the TL staff (trust me when I had to do this spoiler shit for front page it was annoying af) how about the people that don't want to be spoiled simply don't come to TL for 24 hours or however long it takes to watch it? You are asking for the world to change its behavior (and all that effort still might not be effective) when really it should be just the few that want to watch differently to change theirs. | ||
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seopthi
391 Posts
It was about making this change unexpectedly just before KeSPA Cup. From now, I will simply just not go to TL if I'm not up to date with vods and I'm semi-ok with that. The problem is that the KeSPA Cup I was looking forward so much has been somewhat ruined, because the spoilers were unexpected. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
Not being in a kr friendly timezone thread titles spoiled the entirety of the Kespa Cup for me. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5505 Posts
And then when teamliquid got an update there was a "spoiler free" button. Now there's just nothing. No option but to not visit the site and that pisses me off since teamliquid has been my favorite site since I signed up here and there are a million reasons to come here besides check the results of games. The thing that irks me the most perhaps is that this could all be solved by spoiler free titles. I don't think that is something that is overburdening on a writer. Just put something like "Kespa cup winner decided" but for some reason the people writing the articles have a huge problem with this even though its clearly alienating a percentage of the members here. | ||
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
Even if this is a "news portal", a lot of things can't be watched live and most of us decide to "watch them later" but still check other info. For instance I wanted to see news about the newest patch, ok, but I didn't want to know about Neebing winning KeSPA Cup, because I wasn't able to watch the semis and finals yet. IMO it is quite moronic reason to say "It's a news portal", because there are some "news" we try to not look at until we consider it is appropriate, like tournament results and such. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19246 Posts
On October 04 2016 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Tbh the policy hasn't really changed. There never was a no spoiler policy. It's just that the writers are putting up the recaps much faster. False. There used to be a check box to have spoiler free mode on and before that there were spoiler free news titles. | ||
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