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First of all, congrats Neeb. You're now a champion, you're a level above all other foreigners and you're officially The Foreign Hope TM. It's a great burden and you will be measured by this success the rest of your career. Look no further than Lilbow to see what happens if you fail.
Now it only becomes harder. Before that you were a promising guy who could bring it all together some time. You've brought it all together and from now on people will not underestimate you. They will prepare as they will see beating you as an achievement by itself. Yes, you're forever a legend, The Guy Who Came to Korea and Won, but not all legends have a happy ending.
Since you're hot stuff now and we don't need to commend you after each win over a Korean anymore, there is a pressing question you can't ignore: a lot of mediocre players have won one tournament. A moment of brilliance, matching stars, bracket luck - there can be many reasons why a particular player won a particular tournament, but one win is not a sign of class. In a grand scheme of things you're still worse than ForGG - while it is better than 99,9% of people playing SC2, is it what you aspired to be?
And then there is a question of what to do next. There's Blizzcon where you should try your hardest even if you want to prepare for WC4 or whatever. After that you have a choice - and in my opinion it's a simple one. There is not enough weekend tournaments with best competition to become Taeja of LotV. Dominating foreign scene would be nice - but the game is volatile and everything less than being a Foreign Bonjwa wouldn't suffice. But while GSL is still alive nothing will be more prestigious than winning over Koreans in preparation style tournaments - that's their game and no-one managed to beat them at it. You don't need a special guest treatment - start from the bottom and work your way up as an equal. A win there will propel you over Stephano into #1 foreigner of all time - and who knows, maybe you could even try to achieve even more.
Good luck.
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The way he drop harasses and takes fights, reduces the opponents army size bit by bit... you just cannot help but see that he plays Protoss as if he still played terran. I wondered why no more players play like that - even back in the WOL days. It sure helped learning sc2 the most (mechanically) demanding way, then switch to another race with different demands. Therefore he plays a style noone can adapt to, since its not really meta, just this one guy introducing terran machanics to the protoss race, abusing or just using the best of both worlds.
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On October 04 2016 08:01 Ingvar wrote:
First of all, congrats Neeb. You're now a champion, you're a level above all other foreigners and you're officially The Foreign Hope TM. It's a great burden and you will be measured by this success the rest of your career. Look no further than Lilbow to see what happens if you fail.
Now it only becomes harder. Before that you were a promising guy who could bring it all together some time. You've brought it all together and from now on people will not underestimate you. They will prepare as they will see beating you as an achievement by itself. Yes, you're forever a legend, The Guy Who Came to Korea and Won, but not all legends have a happy ending.
Since you're hot stuff now and we don't need to commend you after each win over a Korean anymore, there is a pressing question you can't ignore: a lot of mediocre players have won one tournament. A moment of brilliance, matching stars, bracket luck - there can be many reasons why a particular player won a particular tournament, but one win is not a sign of class. In a grand scheme of things you're still worse than ForGG - while it is better than 99,9% of people playing SC2, is it what you aspired to be?
And then there is a question of what to do next. There's Blizzcon where you should try your hardest even if you want to prepare for WC4 or whatever. After that you have a choice - and in my opinion it's a simple one. There is not enough weekend tournaments with best competition to become Taeja of LotV. Dominating foreign scene would be nice - but the game is volatile and everything less than being a Foreign Bonjwa wouldn't suffice. But while GSL is still alive nothing will be more prestigious than winning over Koreans in preparation style tournaments - that's their game and no-one managed to beat them at it. You don't need a special guest treatment - start from the bottom and work your way up as an equal. A win there will propel you over Stephano into #1 foreigner of all time - and who knows, maybe you could even try to achieve even more.
Good luck.
Lots of bullshit after first paragraph. Just shut up, save your preach and be happy for Neeb. I don't watch and play SC2 for the time being, but I'm glad he shut so many mouths (in a positive sense).
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I really need to stop coming to TeamLiquid until I've caught up on any VODs I need to watch. The spoilers are out of control. I remember when I used to be able to come to this site to catch up on the games from the night before or even days before without being spoiled. Now, it's just a shit show because "sports sites aren't spoiler-free so neither are we." What a joke...a very bad joke.
Congrats Neeb! Super amazing victories!
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On October 03 2016 23:07 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Other titles considered were "Neeb Wins KeSPA Cup: Many a TL Poster Humiliated by Result" and "Faceless Foreigner steals Korean Money"
+1,000,000
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On October 04 2016 08:15 Devolved wrote:
I really need to stop coming to TeamLiquid until I've caught up on any VODs I need to watch. The spoilers are out of control. I remember when I used to be able to come to this site to catch up on the games from the night before or even days before without being spoiled. Now, it's just a shit show because "sports sites aren't spoiler-free so neither are we." What a joke...a very bad joke.
Congrats Neeb! Super amazing victories!
Yea the header photo was pretty spoilerific. I came here mindlessly earlier and it was sort of hard to miss the picture of Neeb kissing a trophy before remembering to avoid TL before watching VODs.
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On October 04 2016 09:03 CannonKingPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 08:15 Devolved wrote:
I really need to stop coming to TeamLiquid until I've caught up on any VODs I need to watch. The spoilers are out of control. I remember when I used to be able to come to this site to catch up on the games from the night before or even days before without being spoiled. Now, it's just a shit show because "sports sites aren't spoiler-free so neither are we." What a joke...a very bad joke.
Congrats Neeb! Super amazing victories! Yea the header photo was pretty spoilerific. I came here mindlessly earlier and it was sort of hard to miss the picture of Neeb kissing a trophy before remembering to avoid TL before watching VODs.
Sadly, the only real solution is just to not visit TL until you're done watching VODs. I used to have TL in a bookmark folder along with other sites I'd automatically open whenever I started up my computer and launched my browser. I've since had to remove TL from that group of sites. 
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 04 2016 08:01 Ingvar wrote:
First of all, congrats Neeb. You're now a champion, you're a level above all other foreigners and you're officially The Foreign Hope TM. It's a great burden and you will be measured by this success the rest of your career. Look no further than Lilbow to see what happens if you fail.
Now it only becomes harder. Before that you were a promising guy who could bring it all together some time. You've brought it all together and from now on people will not underestimate you. They will prepare as they will see beating you as an achievement by itself. Yes, you're forever a legend, The Guy Who Came to Korea and Won, but not all legends have a happy ending.
Since you're hot stuff now and we don't need to commend you after each win over a Korean anymore, there is a pressing question you can't ignore: a lot of mediocre players have won one tournament. A moment of brilliance, matching stars, bracket luck - there can be many reasons why a particular player won a particular tournament, but one win is not a sign of class. In a grand scheme of things you're still worse than ForGG - while it is better than 99,9% of people playing SC2, is it what you aspired to be?
And then there is a question of what to do next. There's Blizzcon where you should try your hardest even if you want to prepare for WC4 or whatever. After that you have a choice - and in my opinion it's a simple one. There is not enough weekend tournaments with best competition to become Taeja of LotV. Dominating foreign scene would be nice - but the game is volatile and everything less than being a Foreign Bonjwa wouldn't suffice. But while GSL is still alive nothing will be more prestigious than winning over Koreans in preparation style tournaments - that's their game and no-one managed to beat them at it. You don't need a special guest treatment - start from the bottom and work your way up as an equal. A win there will propel you over Stephano into #1 foreigner of all time - and who knows, maybe you could even try to achieve even more.
Good luck.
Or he could choose to not worry about literally anything you just said and do whatever makes him happy. Pretty sure he's doing just fine without an arrogant Starcraft life coach implying he'll never be good enough unless he becomes the best foreigner ever.
Congrats, Neeb. I'm impressed!
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On October 04 2016 09:43 Kitai wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 04 2016 08:01 Ingvar wrote:
First of all, congrats Neeb. You're now a champion, you're a level above all other foreigners and you're officially The Foreign Hope TM. It's a great burden and you will be measured by this success the rest of your career. Look no further than Lilbow to see what happens if you fail.
Now it only becomes harder. Before that you were a promising guy who could bring it all together some time. You've brought it all together and from now on people will not underestimate you. They will prepare as they will see beating you as an achievement by itself. Yes, you're forever a legend, The Guy Who Came to Korea and Won, but not all legends have a happy ending.
Since you're hot stuff now and we don't need to commend you after each win over a Korean anymore, there is a pressing question you can't ignore: a lot of mediocre players have won one tournament. A moment of brilliance, matching stars, bracket luck - there can be many reasons why a particular player won a particular tournament, but one win is not a sign of class. In a grand scheme of things you're still worse than ForGG - while it is better than 99,9% of people playing SC2, is it what you aspired to be?
And then there is a question of what to do next. There's Blizzcon where you should try your hardest even if you want to prepare for WC4 or whatever. After that you have a choice - and in my opinion it's a simple one. There is not enough weekend tournaments with best competition to become Taeja of LotV. Dominating foreign scene would be nice - but the game is volatile and everything less than being a Foreign Bonjwa wouldn't suffice. But while GSL is still alive nothing will be more prestigious than winning over Koreans in preparation style tournaments - that's their game and no-one managed to beat them at it. You don't need a special guest treatment - start from the bottom and work your way up as an equal. A win there will propel you over Stephano into #1 foreigner of all time - and who knows, maybe you could even try to achieve even more.
Good luck. Or he could choose to not worry about literally anything you just said and do whatever makes him happy. Pretty sure he's doing just fine without an arrogant Starcraft life coach implying he'll never be good enough unless he becomes the best foreigner ever. Congrats, Neeb. I'm impressed!
On October 04 2016 08:10 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 08:01 Ingvar wrote:
First of all, congrats Neeb. You're now a champion, you're a level above all other foreigners and you're officially The Foreign Hope TM. It's a great burden and you will be measured by this success the rest of your career. Look no further than Lilbow to see what happens if you fail.
Now it only becomes harder. Before that you were a promising guy who could bring it all together some time. You've brought it all together and from now on people will not underestimate you. They will prepare as they will see beating you as an achievement by itself. Yes, you're forever a legend, The Guy Who Came to Korea and Won, but not all legends have a happy ending.
Since you're hot stuff now and we don't need to commend you after each win over a Korean anymore, there is a pressing question you can't ignore: a lot of mediocre players have won one tournament. A moment of brilliance, matching stars, bracket luck - there can be many reasons why a particular player won a particular tournament, but one win is not a sign of class. In a grand scheme of things you're still worse than ForGG - while it is better than 99,9% of people playing SC2, is it what you aspired to be?
And then there is a question of what to do next. There's Blizzcon where you should try your hardest even if you want to prepare for WC4 or whatever. After that you have a choice - and in my opinion it's a simple one. There is not enough weekend tournaments with best competition to become Taeja of LotV. Dominating foreign scene would be nice - but the game is volatile and everything less than being a Foreign Bonjwa wouldn't suffice. But while GSL is still alive nothing will be more prestigious than winning over Koreans in preparation style tournaments - that's their game and no-one managed to beat them at it. You don't need a special guest treatment - start from the bottom and work your way up as an equal. A win there will propel you over Stephano into #1 foreigner of all time - and who knows, maybe you could even try to achieve even more.
Good luck. Lots of bullshit after first paragraph. Just shut up, save your preach and be happy for Neeb. I don't watch and play SC2 for the time being, but I'm glad he shut so many mouths (in a positive sense).
Wow both so salty over a true post.
Listen, this is just how competition works. I don't care if you're a football player, rapper, inventor, or Starcraft player -- once you achieve this level of success, you get your 15 minutes of fame, and then you either go beyond the success you've already enjoyed, or you fall into obscurity.
Ingvar wasn't telling Neeb what to do, and if he was, that was misguided. But either way, Ingvar speaks the truth when he talks about how Neeb will need to do more than just win the Kespa Cup to be a true legend. Otherwise, he will always be remembered in the same vein as Seed, TOP, and so many others.
EDIT: I should still say, though -- Neeb, you're a fucking beast and I can't believe that you managed to pull this off. NA can be proud of such a feat. gg wp and I hope that you keep movin' on up.
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On October 04 2016 00:43 phodacbiet wrote:Wow. Avilo was right. If a Terran switches to Protoss, he will instantly win Korean tourneys! All kidding aside, I am lost for words. Congratulations to Neeb! You are our new foreign hope. I guess NA is the best server 
LOLLL
thread should have ended there.
Avilo is a goddamned oracle.
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Holy damn FB Spoilers!!
But I still got nerd chills watching Neeb crush Stats and Trap on youtube. So glad a foreigner has done the unthinkable for at least one time.
Very well deserved championship. Hope you can repeat it at Blizzcon!!
Gratz GG WP Neeb
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On October 04 2016 00:43 phodacbiet wrote:Wow. Avilo was right. If a Terran switches to Protoss, he will instantly win Korean tourneys! All kidding aside, I am lost for words. Congratulations to Neeb! You are our new foreign hope. I guess NA is the best server
Holy shit this is too good.
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On October 04 2016 07:49 CannonKingPrime wrote:
Meh. Cool, but his road to the finals was mostly a cake walk. He was a ways to go before being considered with the likes of Naniwa, Stephano, Snute.
Meh, I'd say he's on the same level as them. He's already accomplished what none of them could: win a tournament in Korea.
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On October 04 2016 08:01 Ingvar wrote:
First of all, congrats Neeb. You're now a champion, you're a level above all other foreigners and you're officially The Foreign Hope TM. It's a great burden and you will be measured by this success the rest of your career. Look no further than Lilbow to see what happens if you fail.
Well, this isn't exactly true as Lilbow specifically did not practice for Blizzcon. I highly doubt that Neeb will suddenly starting practicing for SC3 in the near future and/or use that as an excuse.
Now it only becomes harder. Before that you were a promising guy who could bring it all together some time. You've brought it all together and from now on people will not underestimate you. They will prepare as they will see beating you as an achievement by itself. Yes, you're forever a legend, The Guy Who Came to Korea and Won, but not all legends have a happy ending.
This is true. Neeb will no longer be an underdog, and in many ways, the Kespa Cup win will overshadow him, and people may or may not have higher than realistic expectations of him.
Since you're hot stuff now and we don't need to commend you after each win over a Korean anymore, there is a pressing question you can't ignore: a lot of mediocre players have won one tournament. A moment of brilliance, matching stars, bracket luck - there can be many reasons why a particular player won a particular tournament, but one win is not a sign of class. In a grand scheme of things you're still worse than ForGG - while it is better than 99,9% of people playing SC2, is it what you aspired to be?
I'm not sure how or why Neeb would be worse than forGG. They rarely played together, so I'm not exactly certain where the comparison is. I would also disagree that a "lot of mediocre players have won one tournament." No, none of those players were mediocre; they were some of the strongest players at that time. The fact that they fell off very quickly should not detract from this fact. Though we might make fun of Seed or jjakji for doing little after their wins, the fact is that they were once GSL champions, and that is not something to belittle.
Also, this comparison is not totally apt for either foreigners or Koreans. If you are talking about Koreans who fell off after one tournament, Neeb is not a Korean, and so he didn't have the same environment as a Korean. And for the foreigners who fell off after one tournament, Neeb didn't win a foreign tournament.
This isn't a Korean player winning a GSL and falling off the face of the planet; it's a foreigner winning a Korean tournament for the first time in 16 years. It's something that hasn't been done in a long time.
And then there is a question of what to do next. There's Blizzcon where you should try your hardest even if you want to prepare for WC4 or whatever. After that you have a choice - and in my opinion it's a simple one. There is not enough weekend tournaments with best competition to become Taeja of LotV. Dominating foreign scene would be nice - but the game is volatile and everything less than being a Foreign Bonjwa wouldn't suffice. But while GSL is still alive nothing will be more prestigious than winning over Koreans in preparation style tournaments - that's their game and no-one managed to beat them at it. You don't need a special guest treatment - start from the bottom and work your way up as an equal. A win there will propel you over Stephano into #1 foreigner of all time - and who knows, maybe you could even try to achieve even more.
Good luck.
This I agree with (mostly). I hope that Neeb is not satisfied with just winning one tournament. I really hope that he goes and competes in the GSL where they are more heavily on the preparation side. Hopefully he doesn't fall of skill wise as some GSL winners or runner-ups do the season after they win. He should follow Zest in that respect. He should always be striving for more.
I would say that this Kespa cup is comparable to much faster SSL win in that they had a lot of preparation time for their group stages, and then of course the quarters to the finals were played in quick succession. But Neeb did do something: At the very least, for the group stages, he beat Koreans who were likely preparing for him. Perhaps they didn't prepare as much for him as they should have, but I feel that they still did do some preparation.
On October 04 2016 10:54 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 07:49 CannonKingPrime wrote:
Meh. Cool, but his road to the finals was mostly a cake walk. He was a ways to go before being considered with the likes of Naniwa, Stephano, Snute. Meh, I'd say he's on the same level as them. He's already accomplished what none of them could: win a tournament in Korea.
I think this is very significant. We can point to foreigners and their consistency, but very few were ever able to consistently win over Koreans, and only one prior won an actual Korean starleague. (Granted, of course, this is like a hybrid preparation/weekend tournament)
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Congrat Neeb <3
Constantly beat Hydra mean that you can win a korea tournement :D
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USA! USA! USA! NEEB 4 MORE YEARS!
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On October 04 2016 08:15 Devolved wrote:
I really need to stop coming to TeamLiquid until I've caught up on any VODs I need to watch. The spoilers are out of control. I remember when I used to be able to come to this site to catch up on the games from the night before or even days before without being spoiled. Now, it's just a shit show because "sports sites aren't spoiler-free so neither are we." What a joke...a very bad joke.
Congrats Neeb! Super amazing victories!
i remember a time where i had to search for 10 minutes to find the results of a match i knew was played.
this is a news site and i'm glad they changed it.
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A new age has dawned boys!
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Great for Neeb !
he deserves it ! GJ
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