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Neeb wins KeSPA Cup

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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2359 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-11 00:54:41
October 03 2016 14:07 GMT
#1
We started the Korean Starcraft year with an 0-4 demolition of Korea in NationWars; we bookend 2016 with a similar humbling. Throughout the year, there’s been a constant back and forth debate on the pros and cons of the WCS system. One side claimed that it would strengthen the WCS region; that the region lock would give greater incentive to foreigners looking to make a name for themselves in this new look Starcraft scene. The other argued that the Korean scene would be weakened, and that foreign achievements would be meaningless without the base line of comparison that is exposure to the best players in the world.

While it’s still too early to make a call on the latter point, it’s becoming harder and harder for doubters to deny the former. We’ve had constant rumblings suggesting that the scales have shifted: the quality of play in WCS; the online records of many of the top foreign pros against Korean opposition; the currently foreigner-favoured scorecard of SHOUTcraft Kings. However, it’s only now that KeSPA Cup has given us a demonstration of just how much the gap has closed.

Throughout 2016, Neeb’s been more threat than contender in the foreign scene; a player guaranteed to place highly, but also one seemingly fated to fall short time and time again. It’s arguable that his win here supercedes the rest of his achievements this year combined. There’s simply no precedent for Neeb’s achievements here in Starcraft 2; Jinro is the only foreigner who’s even come close—seven long, long years of unchallenged supremacy for Korean Starcraft in Seoul. So while there’ll undoubtedly be excitement about the possibilities of repeat success at BlizzCon, or arguments about what this means for the scene going forwards, let’s just sit back for now. Enjoy the moment. Relish in the delight of the unpredictable.

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(P)Stats and (P)Neeb kicked off the day with our first semifinal, and although the KT man took game 1 with some clean chargelot-archon play, using phoenix lifts to counter Neeb’s disruptors, it rapidly became clear that he was outgunned. In his post-final interview, Neeb admitted to not preparing directly for Stats, instead relying on the same build he’s used day in, day out on ladder. That showed as he displayed the same rock solid fundamentals throughout his PvP day, simply getting more out of his units than his opponents.

Throughout the week, the Korean casters would exclaim “This foreigner has Korean micro!”; Neeb’s control during KeSPA Cup has been top tier stuff. Cleaner and crisper than any of the protosses we’ve seen, with none of the infamous nerve issues that he’s suffered from throughout the year, he blazed past Stats with ease in games 2 and 3, outplaying the KT protoss in the disruptor-to-disruptor matchup. Game 4 was a similar slugfest on King Sejong Station, but Stats’ reticence to attack left the set spiralling to an end-game scenario. Both players transitioned to tempests, but a decision to attack Neeb’s fifth base proved rash for Stats. Initially, it looked like an even trade, but with Neeb’s closer rally distances, Stats was always under time pressure. Bleeding out units during his retreat, and with no economy left to speak of, he was forced to tap out.

The day soon went from bad to worse for KT. (T)TY effortlessly blew past (P)Trap with an aggressive 1-1-1 on New Gettysburg, but Trap quickly responded with his own mass gateway cheese on KSS, while a second storm-powered win on Frost left him standing on the cusp of making his first premier finals for 19 months. Finally though, TY rediscovered some of the form that drove him to yesterday’s 3-0 shutout over Zest. TY dominated the game from start to finish, zoning Trap out of his third base on Frozen Temple with liberators before advanced ballistics signalled the death knell for the Jin Air protoss.

Dasan Station though was a whole different issue. Trap put on pressure right from the start—denying TY’s depot and reactor on the ramp with a pylon rush, before mass gateway units swarmed over the terran’s main and natural. TY initially seemed to have held the push, but poor scan discipline allowed Trap’s DTs to clean up and take the game for the protoss.

If our first semifinal of the day was a controlled victory for Neeb, and our second was a dirty knife fight with Trap emerging victorious, then the final was nothing short of a slaughter. It became readily apparent that Trap was hopelessly outclassed by Neeb in PvP, with the American protoss’ disruptor play proving far too much to handle. Games 1-3 all passed by in the blink of an eye, and while Trap’s early game on Apotheosis gave him an early lead, there was an inevitability to Neeb gradually hauling in his advantage.

Down on army size and disruptor count, Neeb put on a clinic of ‘How to PvP’, chipping away at Trap’s superior force bit by bit. If you want a simple example of Neeb’s superiority, you only need look at both players’ handling of their disruptors. Trap’s bunched disruptors proved to be his downfall, with several heavy hits cancelling out his lead and irrevocably turning the tide of battle. With no more options to turn to, Trap was forced to GG out, leaving Neeb as the first foreign SC2 champion in a Korean tournament.




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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2359 Posts
October 03 2016 14:07 GMT
#2
Other titles considered were "Neeb Wins KeSPA Cup: Many a TL Poster Humiliated by Result" and "Faceless Foreigner steals Korean Money"
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5517 Posts
October 03 2016 14:10 GMT
#3
Congrats to the conquering hero!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2561 Posts
October 03 2016 14:10 GMT
#4
History indeed.

I've been busy so I haven't followed much of StarCraft lately, but I had a feeling that KeSPA Cup was worth following. The passion is real. Can't believe what happened.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany13632 Posts
October 03 2016 14:12 GMT
#5
let's see if neeb can repeat his success. I agree with nerchio that a single tournament isn't very indicative of his skill level.

On August 27 2016 07:34 Nerchio wrote:
As stuchiu said above, single tournaments don't mean anything. Only after a couple of tournaments we can start to discuss patterns and consistent results. True winning last tournament doesn't mean everyone else in foreignerland is shit. It also doesn't mean he is going to dominate everything from now on. If foreigners will do badly at Blizzcon it's not going to mean anything either, it's only 1 tournament.

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QzYSc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands273 Posts
October 03 2016 14:13 GMT
#6
good now try as terran
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10199 Posts
October 03 2016 14:14 GMT
#7
spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler

i was going to watch the vods but forgot not to come to TL when there's a tournament going on RIP
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1195 Posts
October 03 2016 14:14 GMT
#8
Who was the Korean who had the best PvP for a long time? Was it Rain? Well, whoever it was, I think we just found the successor. (That is, until Blizz changes everything)
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Hockleberry
Profile Joined April 2016
63 Posts
October 03 2016 14:16 GMT
#9
holy wow batman!!!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
27899 Posts
October 03 2016 14:16 GMT
#10
spoilers! :D

not for me though, I witnessed history being made today
I Protoss winner, could it be?
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1946 Posts
October 03 2016 14:17 GMT
#11
Impressive. Unfortunately PvP is so boring to watch
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
18811 Posts
October 03 2016 14:18 GMT
#12
My title would have been: Alex Sunderhaft wins Kespa Cup, the hero the foreign scene neebs
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1820 Posts
October 03 2016 14:20 GMT
#13
On October 03 2016 23:14 Incognoto wrote:
spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler

i was going to watch the vods but forgot not to come to TL when there's a tournament going on RIP

yeah i'm super happy for Neeb, but also jaded that this was not broadcast on twitch and there's no instant vods. Luckily I was able to get up in time for the finals but I feel your pain x.x
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iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1438 Posts
October 03 2016 14:22 GMT
#14
Neeb played great games. I will however find it interesting from now on what players neeb "looses to".

I think both Neeb and Nerchio are the two strongest players right now that the foreign scene has to offer.
Congrats to Neeb.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14190 Posts
October 03 2016 14:24 GMT
#15
NationWars was a 5-0.

Great recap
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3110 Posts
October 03 2016 14:25 GMT
#16
Proud to be American . Congratz to Neeb, well played. Hope to see a foreign Terran follow his footsteps...
Zerg is hands down the easiest race to play.
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Phaenoman
Profile Joined February 2013
568 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 14:26:47
October 03 2016 14:26 GMT
#17
On October 03 2016 23:12 Charoisaur wrote:
let's see if neeb can repeat his success. I agree with nerchio that a single tournament isn't very indicative of his skill level.

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 07:34 Nerchio wrote:
As stuchiu said above, single tournaments don't mean anything. Only after a couple of tournaments we can start to discuss patterns and consistent results. True winning last tournament doesn't mean everyone else in foreignerland is shit. It also doesn't mean he is going to dominate everything from now on. If foreigners will do badly at Blizzcon it's not going to mean anything either, it's only 1 tournament.


Of course 1 win is not expressive, but reading Nerchio's comment and assuming he didn't say anything positiv (correct me), e.g. congratulating Neeb, I'd say this sounds more like a jealous than an analytic Nerchio, especially knowing he was one of the participants as well. I mean this was surely no cakewalk.
Random is hard work dude...
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
October 03 2016 14:26 GMT
#18
why always protoss
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5467 Posts
October 03 2016 14:28 GMT
#19
Call the doktor !
Trap's got ping pong poisoning.
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
499 Posts
October 03 2016 14:28 GMT
#20
Damn spoilers... not again...

Anyway congrats to Neeb, and sorry for Nerchio, also in Korea the main thing I hate about their tournaments is this... "They play against the other player, not the race", which means they prepare beforehand to specific gameplay from other player, which makes it look silly, and it feels like they are not really "Good at the MU but good against some builds studied before".

Even if I love the most to watch koreans play, that is the thing I never liked, and that is why I loved MLG or DH and those tournaments where you don't have the time to prepare for specific players over and over, but instead you need to prove yourself how good you are at the game itself in every MU.

It can be difficult with simple elimination brackets and such, but with Group Stages and later BO5 or better you can really show adjustments on your gameplay and claim how good you are.

If you ask me Neeb is really good, no doubt about it, but I am not sure if he can outplay Koreans preparing specifically against him in long tournaments like GSL.
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