EPTThe korean scene is less and less active every year, so foreigners will catch up. There is no influx of new players, almost every pro is over 20 years old. No clans like you know them from bw. No b teamers etc.
Neeb on KeSPA Cup: "The skill gap between foreigners and K…
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
The korean scene is less and less active every year, so foreigners will catch up. There is no influx of new players, almost every pro is over 20 years old. No clans like you know them from bw. No b teamers etc. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 23 2016 00:35 ionONE wrote: "The Korean scene is dying at an incredibly fast rate because either Blizzard doesn’t understand or doesn’t care that Koreans have no tournaments to play in." Yeah gratz that he speaks about that. Blizzard either really needs to step it up here or people watching mainly korean sc2 (like i do) won't have a lot to watch next year i feel like :/ | ||
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MLuneth
Australia557 Posts
On September 22 2016 23:32 Penev wrote: aww the title got changed Neeb told me in a private conversation that NA > KR so I think old title should be reinstated | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Do you know how many extra Kespa/Hot6ix cups and Proleague (nevermind that a large amount of games were cut), globals and so on there are going to be this year for Koreans? It's probably too much starcraft really. :> | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On September 22 2016 20:40 Nerchio wrote: Another delusional foreigner, jesus christ when is it going to end I knew we could agree on something, Nerchio | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:07 stuchiu wrote: Listen Neeb you ingrate. Do you know how many extra Kespa/Hot6ix cups and Proleague (nevermind that a large amount of games were cut), globals and so on there are going to be this year for Koreans? It's probably too much starcraft really. :> Shut up Apollo! Thanks for the Neeb interview thecrazymunchkin! Too bad that the KR server is no longer being used as heavily by top pros. It's all custom games I guess. | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
The Korean scene is dying at an incredibly fast rate because either Blizzard doesn’t understand or doesn’t care that Koreans have no tournaments to play in. It’s hard to stay motivated when you can’t show anything that you are practicing for another six months. Glad to see him acknowledge this. He's shown more empathy than some of the other more outspoken and selfish foreigners. His trip to Korea seems to have matured more so than his peers. I like neeb a lot more. I'll be rooting for him in this kespa cup | ||
Waxangel
United States33589 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:32 Waxangel wrote: Plenty of foreign pros have said that the 2016 sucked for Koreans. It's not like Neeb has gone beyond that and given them prize money earned on the WCS circuit And plenty of pros have said that it's good or think that they deserve it for having taken too much money before. And the fact that this is the case is very, very saddening. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2016 00:35 ionONE wrote: "The Korean scene is dying at an incredibly fast rate because either Blizzard doesn’t understand or doesn’t care that Koreans have no tournaments to play in." The korean scene is less and less active every year, so foreigners will catch up. There is no influx of new players, almost every pro is over 20 years old. No clans like you know them from bw. No b teamers etc. Neeb is just a respectable guy. He's honest and forthright about things. I'm liking this guy more and more. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:32 Waxangel wrote: Plenty of foreign pros have said that the 2016 system sucked for Koreans. It's not like Neeb has gone beyond that and given them prize money earned on the WCS circuit Yh but they all act like it's a good thing because they can actually win cups now. Neeb is the only who admits it's killing the Korean scene | ||
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StabiloBoss20
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Alexcalibur1996
United States39 Posts
On September 22 2016 20:47 Incognoto wrote: nice interview, i'm liking neeb more and more, even though he's protoss being a byun practice partner makes you cool, i don't care who you are haha, same XD | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:41 Fango wrote: Yh but they all act like it's a good thing because they can actually win cups now. Neeb is the only who admits it's killing the Korean scene Wax is just upset that his interviews induced flame and rage and this one is receiving mostly positive feedback. To be fair to uthermal and nerch - this interviewer didn't bait Neeb as hard lolol - but to give Neeb credit - he was at least honest about what's going on. Tbh I don't have an issue with the foreign pro's who are having success as a result of the region lock to say that they like it.. they are entitle to that - I just wish they'd be honest and admit that nerfing competition doesn't promote the evolution of the game or pretend that their is any benefit to it at all other than financial - the point about losing all the time being de-motivating is valid - but that's a problem that you as an individual can solve - so a better headline for that interview with uthermal would have been not "if you lose to koreans you can't get better" but rather "losing to koreans makes me sad and not want to play" - probably woulda been no flame or rage with a minor change like that lolol. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I mean yes it would be nice for all the players who started playing sc2 (a huge chunk came from bw anyway) if the korean scene would have more tournaments and stuff, but if there isn't enough korean sponsoring interest, etc it's really hard to make that happen. New players play lol and now Overwatch, where exactly should that new talent pool come from? Even if there were 3 GSL and 3 SSL seasons + proleague, that wouldn't change much either. Sc2 isn't the game young gamers wanna be pro in these days, that's the reality. I mean i don't follow the amateur scene (if there is one) in korea so maybe there would be a few up and coming players still, but the majority of people isn't interested in playing sc2 and more (artifically created -> blizzard sponsored) korean tournaments wouldn't change that i think. With that being said, i am hyped for kespa cup and hope that foreigners will show good games  | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:41 Fango wrote: Yh but they all act like it's a good thing because they can actually win cups now. Neeb is the only who admits it's killing the Korean scene Literally nobody acts like that it's more what people like you read into it I can assure you that almost every foreign pro thinks it's bad for the koreans and there should be more global events to balance it out. The current system is undeniable very good for us. We can prove ourselves in tournaments vs players that have the same practice coniditions, we get more exposure and make more money. That doesn't mean we justify it or think it's fair. We just play in the system that is given to us. In the end it's blizzard's call and not ours. | ||
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Lgnarrow
104 Posts
In my opinion, the gap beetwen koreans and non-koreans is smaller this time, because LotV is still quite a young game, and the meta is changing really fast. It gives opportunities for the rest to develop simply stronger style of playing, and despite having lower apm, worse mechanics, worse micro etc, ( I dont say that all of the foreigners has worse "game controlling" skills than all koreans. However I think in general we have to agree to that ) they can put up good fights. Same story was at the beginning of hots. In the first year a lot of foreigners reached even semi-finals of DH, HSC, IEMs etc, But the later, the more problems they had. I agree it is a good move to help non-korean scene a little bit to make it entertaining. However i kinda feel like Koreans are left to their own, and nobody is interested in them. Blizz should take much more care about them because - agree or not - Korea is the hearth of this game. Killing koreans means killing the game... They have literally 4 tournaments where all the best players play, and some 2-nd tier koreans have nothing to say - like it was with foreigners ans koreans before region lock. No tournaments where some worse players can show up some good performance and build up themselves. Its like either you are the best or nobody cares of you. Korean scene is all about 15 players, and thats it  What is more, the most entertaining player was banned for match-fixing. damn! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 23 2016 02:35 SC2ShoWTimE wrote: Literally nobody acts like that it's more what people like you read into it I can assure you that almost every foreign pro thinks it's bad for the koreans and there should be more global events to balance it out. The current system is undeniable very good for us. We can prove ourselves in tournaments vs players that have the same practice coniditions, we get more exposure and make more money. That doesn't mean we justify it or think it's fair. We just play in the system that is given to us. In the end it's blizzard's call and not ours. Litterally Neeb is the only one on here admitting that it's killing the Korean scene. Other foreigners have said that it's bad for Koreans but they still saying it's a good system overall. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 23 2016 03:26 Fango wrote: Litterally Neeb is the only one on here admitting that it's killing the Korean scene. Other foreigners have said that it's bad for Koreans but they still saying it's a good system overall. No they never said they think it's good overall (Apollo and some casters did though I think), they just said that WCS is good for them. This does not mean that they don't think there should be more events for Koreans. Nerchio also said he wants more global events and only the 3 Championships should be region locked for example. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Whatever the reason is (most likely tournament organizers) that we have the current system, it's what it is. What are the reasons we only have 2 GSL/SSL tournaments though, that's the interesting part. | ||
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