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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
September 22 2016 13:14 GMT
#21
Thanks neeb for giving a call for the korean scene and the need of blizzard to change things up there.

On the other hand, NA>EU? Man I want the same stuff neeb is smoking... how many tournaments did an NA player win this year?
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
September 22 2016 13:16 GMT
#22
Isn't NA that region that buys EU and KR players? Oh wait no that is on LoL.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
September 22 2016 13:21 GMT
#23
On September 22 2016 20:59 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2016 20:39 Shuffleblade wrote:
Neeb thinks EU ladder is better than korean ladder? xD omg

Considering KR GM has a lot of Korean amateur players and quite a few foreigners (from weaker regions), and that many of the high profile KeSPA players barely touch ladder (the account with the highest MMR in Korean GM has played 20 games this season), especially when there are still tournaments being played...

Doesn't sound that unlikely honestly.

I don't know shit about how much the actual kespa pros play ladder. What I do know is that nothing of this is new, kespa players are likely not playing less ladder than before. Meaning all that you say is true now was also true in wol and hots. Back then going to korea to ladder was thought as the ultimate training (besides living in an actual teamhouse there).

So when did we go from "that everyone(almost) that went to korea to practise sc2 leveled up incredibly due to much stronger ladder" to "EU ladder better"... It also doesn't makes sense since people are still going to korea to play sc2, Scarlett, bly and neeb among others. Why go and pay for travels and accomendations if the practise environment is worse than EU.

I'm not saying its not true, just saying its weird and if its true it really says alot about how far the foreign scene has gotten (or how the korean has fallen).
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[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1219 Posts
September 22 2016 13:27 GMT
#24
On September 22 2016 22:21 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2016 20:59 Elentos wrote:
On September 22 2016 20:39 Shuffleblade wrote:
Neeb thinks EU ladder is better than korean ladder? xD omg

Considering KR GM has a lot of Korean amateur players and quite a few foreigners (from weaker regions), and that many of the high profile KeSPA players barely touch ladder (the account with the highest MMR in Korean GM has played 20 games this season), especially when there are still tournaments being played...

Doesn't sound that unlikely honestly.

I don't know shit about how much the actual kespa pros play ladder. What I do know is that nothing of this is new, kespa players are likely not playing less ladder than before. Meaning all that you say is true now was also true in wol and hots. Back then going to korea to ladder was thought as the ultimate training (besides living in an actual teamhouse there).

So when did we go from "that everyone(almost) that went to korea to practise sc2 leveled up incredibly due to much stronger ladder" to "EU ladder better"... It also doesn't makes sense since people are still going to korea to play sc2, Scarlett, bly and neeb among others. Why go and pay for travels and accomendations if the practise environment is worse than EU.

I'm not saying its not true, just saying its weird and if its true it really says alot about how far the foreign scene has gotten (or how the korean has fallen).

He did say that it's not ladder that helps you improve there but the possibility of custom practice with the pros.
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Colouss
Profile Joined November 2013
United States501 Posts
September 22 2016 13:29 GMT
#25
I want to see how he reacts to his groups . I really hope he pulls a Snute and gets out in first place but that's so unlikely to happen
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4072 Posts
September 22 2016 13:37 GMT
#26
On September 22 2016 22:29 Colouss wrote:
I want to see how he reacts to his groups . I really hope he pulls a Snute and gets out in first place but that's so unlikely to happen


Neeb needs to pull Asmodey!
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
September 22 2016 13:40 GMT
#27
what is it with these pro's baiting all the time

dey tuk r jarbs!
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
September 22 2016 13:46 GMT
#28
Loving all the butthurt comments hahaha this was an alright interview but I still think Nerchio's was better
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Eiltonn
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany307 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 13:57:31
September 22 2016 13:52 GMT
#29
On September 22 2016 21:30 rast wrote:
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On September 22 2016 21:12 DomeGetta wrote:
On September 22 2016 20:40 Nerchio wrote:
Another delusional foreigner, jesus christ when is it going to end


LOL

Na bro - see Neeb isn't going to get flamed like yourself and uThermal did.

It's not because you're a foreigner - it's because of the content you provided.

You two let your self-interest delude you into making ridiculous statements region locking is good because if you play worse players you'll get better faster!

Neeb though - was honest about what's happening with the region-lock globally - even though it could have negative impact on him financially if they change it - just like Harstem was... strange must be a protoss thing (hurts me to say because I'm T) - basically.. balls vs. no balls.


Wow never thought people can get baited so easily as you. You just provided another 15 Rage points to Nerchio .

I hope Neeb, Nerchio and MarineLorD can crush some faces in this cup .


Tho he is right. I respect how Neeb openly admits how the system is ridiculous and fucking koreans over really bad. All i got from uthermals Interview is some minor pity for the Kr scrubs since he knew If he disnt say smth like that people would complain a lot.

And besides that while i can laugh about pretty much anything, even i dont find the cocky welfare benificiaries comments about players who most likely are still a lot better than them funny at all. It just seems ignorant towards people who are suffering from the very same problem now that foreigners had themselves until a third party called Blizzard decided to save their asses lol
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 22 2016 14:06 GMT
#30
wants to avoid Byun? welcome to Byun's group
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
September 22 2016 14:32 GMT
#31
aww the title got changed
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MaCRo.gg
Profile Joined June 2015
Korea (South)860 Posts
September 22 2016 14:35 GMT
#32
WCS 2016!
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
September 22 2016 14:43 GMT
#33
RIP Neeb.
HoZBlooddrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Italy324 Posts
September 22 2016 14:54 GMT
#34
No it’s not that significant to me but I like making Europeans mad because, you know, NA > EU, so I want to do better than all the Europeans going.


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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
September 22 2016 15:00 GMT
#35
On September 22 2016 23:32 Penev wrote:
aww the title got changed

Lame.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 22 2016 15:04 GMT
#36
On September 23 2016 00:00 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2016 23:32 Penev wrote:
aww the title got changed

Lame.


title was so good too
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
September 22 2016 15:09 GMT
#37
On September 23 2016 00:04 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 00:00 Elentos wrote:
On September 22 2016 23:32 Penev wrote:
aww the title got changed

Lame.


title was so good too


This one strikes the right note, the skill gap is much smaller, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.
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highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
September 22 2016 15:18 GMT
#38
Well of course because Korean SC2 is dying which means lesser talents to draw from. Many players have retired and there are no new bloods.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 22 2016 15:20 GMT
#39
best foreigners are probably as good as mid-tier Koreans


That always was the case though, no? Are there more "best foreigners" now than before? Maybe.

Well we will see what happens at Kespa Cup and Blizzcon. It's easy to speak about it before and say the chances are good, but at the end of the day you also have to deliver when it matters (on the server)
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HmmmCookies
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada34 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 15:34:07
September 22 2016 15:32 GMT
#40
It's gonna be hilarious when he goes out 0-4
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