On September 22 2016 18:48 ejozl wrote: Another Jin Air victim for Nerchio. (repeats counts? ) I think True will make it out in Group B, it's the definite weaker group. Trap will do very well. Group D is too sick, Nerchio should defeat the Protoss opponents. This looks super sick, if no foreigner makes it out, it doesn't mean jack shit, they're way outnumbered. This is sho shick!
I don't think Nerchio can easily defeat two of the best Protosses in the world fighting for their BlizzCon spot ...
Classic is my pick to win Blizzcon, if he actually goes.. Still I favour Nerchio in ZvP vs these 2 guys, never did say it would be easy though. Maru will be the biggest obstacle for Nerchio, even though he did beat him once and might even do it again, it's playing him again, which is the hard part, since you cannot outperform Maru on pure execution.
On September 23 2016 00:55 Diabolique wrote: will foreigners cheese the koreans in the first game??
More likely Koreans cheese the foreigners. It's standard to cheese players much weaker than you because you know they wont hold. Also, the foreigners will undoubtably have prepared snipe builds for all the Koreans (whereas Koreans aren't familiar with their play), I believe if a player has a sniper prepared then cheesing them is the best idea because it throws them of it.
You see, for me, if you are playing a weaker opponent, you better play a standard macro game as you know, you will win in it. While if you try a cheese, it might not work and you might lose. If you are a foreigner and you know, you will probably lose in a standard macro game, then you better try a cheese as it gives you a better opportunity to win than in a macro game.
True, but the idea is that the weaker player will almost certainly have a specific snipe plan/timing. Cheesing them forces them to change it/messes them up. Nothing's worse than trying to snipe someone and they cheese you.
On September 23 2016 03:03 Poopi wrote:
On September 23 2016 01:38 Fango wrote:
On September 23 2016 00:55 Diabolique wrote: will foreigners cheese the koreans in the first game??
More likely Koreans cheese the foreigners. It's standard to cheese players much weaker than you because you know they wont hold. Also, the foreigners will undoubtably have prepared snipe builds for all the Koreans (whereas Koreans aren't familiar with their play), I believe if a player has a sniper prepared then cheesing them is the best idea because it throws them of it.
If you have much weaker opponents you don't lose to them even in bo1, ergo these foreigners ain't much weaker than the koreans.
Bait but it doesn't matter. Korean's consider foreigners to be scrubs and easy wins so they will play like that, even if foreigners have improved a bit.
You sound like you think it's not true.
You misunderstand me, personally I don't think its right, I think if you're playing a weaker opponent you should try to play standard. But I was merely explaining the idea for cheesing when you're the better player. Many big players have done this, when Maru, Life, or Zest for example are heavily favoured its quite common for them to cheese.
On September 23 2016 19:11 Incognoto wrote: Nerchio beating maru propels him to top 1 foreigner probably
Beating Byun Maru Rogue and Myungsik does, not just Maru. I mean well, technically, beating Neeb, snute, and showtime would make him the best foreigner.
On September 23 2016 19:11 Incognoto wrote: Nerchio beating maru propels him to top 1 foreigner probably
Beating Byun Maru Rogue and Myungsik does, not just Maru. I mean well, technically, beating Neeb, snute, and showtime would make him the best foreigner.
the rest is extra but taking out number one bo1 monster in the world (best proleague player in history), yeah that takes skill man
but taking out number one bo1 monster in the world (best proleague player in history), yeah that takes skill man
nerchio top foreigner by far
Maru did not prepare that match against Nerchio as good as any bo1 of Proleague that he had ever played IF he prepare at all which I doubt.
Maru could not possible have done any preparation for Nerchio as he would have had no idea who he was going to face up against, that is the nature of TB's king of the hill event.
online is just online and ladder is just ladder, I've seen tons of Korean code A or even amateurs beating top Korean pros in online event or ladder since long ago. But they haven't shown anything against top pros in offline yet. We gotta wait until Kespa cup and Blizzcon :p
To be honest, when Nerchio was beating Koreans 8-0 in ShoutCraft, nobody in Korean community seemed surprised or interested much. Because we've already seen that kind of things a lot before through Korean amateurs beating Korean top pros in online events or ladder. So why not by Nerchio? I also saw yesterday in Korean community Soloist(korean semi-pro terran player) saying "guys I can't believe I beated Dark 2-0 on ladder today" and he posted those 2 replays there. So, by seeing online results anyone can beat anyone even if you are lower than semi-pro level. But, Neeb, Nerchio, and Mlord are obviously much better than those Korean amateurs, so I believe they will do better vs top Korean pros in offline.
On September 24 2016 01:40 TheHumanLife wrote: online is just online and ladder is just ladder, I've seen tons of Korean code A or even amateurs beating top Korean pros in online event or ladder since long ago. But they haven't shown anything against top pros in offline yet. We gotta wait until Kespa cup and Blizzcon :p
To be honest, when Nerchio was beating Koreans 8-0 in ShoutCraft, nobody in Korean community seemed surprised or interested much. Because we've already seen that kind of things a lot before through Korean amateurs beating Korean top pros in online events or ladder. So why not by Nerchio? I also saw yesterday in Korean community Soloist(korean amateur terran player) saying "guys I can't believe I beated Dark 2-0 on ladder today" and he posted those 2 replays there. So, by seeing online results anyone can beat anyone even if you are lower than semi-pro level. But, Neeb, Nerchio, and Mlord are obviously much better than those Korean amateurs, so I believe they will do better vs top Korean pros in offline. :p
Very, very true. Though I still think that online cups are different than simply ladder grinding. Also, the fact that foreigners usually beat the Korean amateurs in those cups anyways.
But the thing that stood out to me was that soloist (if the translation is correct) was quite surprised at his victory. This means that it is not likely a regular occurrence for him. Whereas for foreigners, it is not uncommon for them to beat lower level Code S players in places like Olimoleague and other tournaments.
And I feel that any person plays a bit differently when they know that there is something on the line (like money).
So in that sense, I do agree that online and offline are different beasts, but I do wonder as to how different they are. Also, my hopes are high for foreigners, but my expectations are not. Maybe Neeb takes a game off of Zest or Rogue.
On September 24 2016 01:40 TheHumanLife wrote: online is just online and ladder is just ladder, I've seen tons of Korean code A or even amateurs beating top Korean pros in online event or ladder since long ago. But they haven't shown anything against top pros in offline yet. We gotta wait until Kespa cup and Blizzcon :p
To be honest, when Nerchio was beating Koreans 8-0 in ShoutCraft, nobody in Korean community seemed surprised or interested much. Because we've already seen that kind of things a lot before through Korean amateurs beating Korean top pros in online events or ladder. So why not by Nerchio? I also saw yesterday in Korean community Soloist(korean amateur terran player) saying "guys I can't believe I beated Dark 2-0 on ladder today" and he posted those 2 replays there. So, by seeing online results anyone can beat anyone even if you are lower than semi-pro level. But, Neeb, Nerchio, and Mlord are obviously much better than those Korean amateurs, so I believe they will do better vs top Korean pros in offline. :p
Very, very true. Though I still think that online cups are different than simply ladder grinding. Also, the fact that foreigners usually beat the Korean amateurs in those cups anyways.
But the thing that stood out to me was that soloist (if the translation is correct) was quite surprised at his victory. This means that it is not likely a regular occurrence for him. Whereas for foreigners, it is not uncommon for them to beat lower level Code S players in places like Olimoleague and other tournaments.
Well, yes, but Dark is an SSL finalist (and season 1 champion), not some lower level Code S player. Of course it wouldn't be a regular occurrence for Soloist to beat one of the best players in Korea. In the same vein that it's not a regular thing for foreigners to beat ByuN in online cups (maybe less regular since Soloist probably is quite a bit worse than top foreigners).
On September 24 2016 01:40 TheHumanLife wrote: online is just online and ladder is just ladder, I've seen tons of Korean code A or even amateurs beating top Korean pros in online event or ladder since long ago. But they haven't shown anything against top pros in offline yet. We gotta wait until Kespa cup and Blizzcon :p
To be honest, when Nerchio was beating Koreans 8-0 in ShoutCraft, nobody in Korean community seemed surprised or interested much. Because we've already seen that kind of things a lot before through Korean amateurs beating Korean top pros in online events or ladder. So why not by Nerchio? I also saw yesterday in Korean community Soloist(korean amateur terran player) saying "guys I can't believe I beated Dark 2-0 on ladder today" and he posted those 2 replays there. So, by seeing online results anyone can beat anyone even if you are lower than semi-pro level. But, Neeb, Nerchio, and Mlord are obviously much better than those Korean amateurs, so I believe they will do better vs top Korean pros in offline. :p
Very, very true. Though I still think that online cups are different than simply ladder grinding. Also, the fact that foreigners usually beat the Korean amateurs in those cups anyways.
But the thing that stood out to me was that soloist (if the translation is correct) was quite surprised at his victory. This means that it is not likely a regular occurrence for him. Whereas for foreigners, it is not uncommon for them to beat lower level Code S players in places like Olimoleague and other tournaments.
And I feel that any person plays a bit differently when they know that there is something on the line (like money).
So in that sense, I do agree that online and offline are different beasts, but I do wonder as to how different they are. Also, my hopes are high for foreigners, but my expectations are not. Maybe Neeb takes a game off of Zest or Rogue.
I was only talking about what happened just yesterday, but before that, it was not rare to see Korean semi-pros or amateurs beating top Korean pros in Korean online tournament as well.(and I stated that in my 1st sentence) And Dark is none other than current No.1 zerg in the world, and no doubt about that. And in offline premier events such as GSL and SSL, seems those top pros don't allow much chance for them. Some Korean amateurs not very surprised by beating those top Korean pros in online but some of them are not. Soloist just has that kind of personality who often get excited by beating top Korean pros through online, which has nothing to do with his skill level.
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