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GTR
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Predictions: Group A: ByuN Rogue Group B: TY herO Group C: Solar Stats Group D: Patience Classic | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
Time to belieeeveeee | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Neeb has to practice vs all 3 races + probably the best players of all races. Hahahaha insane! Gonna be great! | ||
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Topin
Peru10080 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Solmyr
Poland261 Posts
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Couguar
Russian Federation54 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I like how the foreigners don't have real names. Alex, Artur and whatever Mlord's name is, you dont have those pleb names The inferior foreign names would break the formatting. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:15 Topin wrote: I believr Neeb have a decent chance against Zest and Rogue. Nerchio has it suuuuuuper hard and Mlord is dead Neeb looked really bad against viOlet and Scarlett during the qualifiers. Like the worse he's looked all year (though it might be because he was tilted after the first few mistakes). I don't like his chances against Rogue at all. And I don't think Nerchio is too dissatisfied with his group--there's no zergs and it isn't much worse than average imo. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
Group B: herO and TY. TY and herO are some of the better Korean players currently, and I don't think Pet will be that much of a challenge. TRUE might make it in, but he's been dropping maps left and right to foreigners, so I don't think he's up to the level of either of the two. Group C: Solar and either Stats or Trap. I'm not sure about either Stats or Trap's form currently, but the winner of SSL is definitely the favourite here. I'm sorry for MarineLord, but I don't think he'll be able to pull off a Nation Wars upset. Group D: This one could be a bit of a toss up. Patience has been performing well, and Maru has not been performing well (especially versus Protoss), but I'm not sure how Classic stacks up against Patience or Maru. Here is where Nerchio can either prove himself or be completely destroyed. What better way for him to prove who is better than versus Maru and Korean Protoss? I think that there will likely be no foreigners in the ro8, but I could see Nerchio and Neeb potentially making it through. EDIT: You know, if Maru, Zest, Rogue, and Neeb were in the same group, I would give a decent chance for Neeb to get out. | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:29 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the Koreans hold a pretty strong advantage with their preparation resources alone even though the foreigners are very talented and can easily take games off the Koreans. What I think is an advantage for the foreigners is that two of them are facing opponents that are either beatable (like Patience) or who are currently in a bit of a slump (like Zest and Maru). That being said, getting Byun in the same group is a pretty bad draw for Neeb. My condolences MarineLord. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
also Neeb will lose to Zest's cannonrush. | ||
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Duckman
United States158 Posts
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Lil_nooblet
United States459 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:36 Charoisaur wrote: Maru to win it all. also Neeb will lose to Zest's cannonrush. Zest needs to make cannon rush his thing in order to save some of his lost honor | ||
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:10 EXRNaRa wrote: Holy shit. Neeb has to practice vs all 3 races + probably the best players of all races. Hahahaha insane! Gonna be great! Is Zest really one of the best protoss players right now? I know it was only one game, but that cannon rush was so bad lol it counts for like 100 games | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
RIP Moronlord Pet to win it all with 13/12 every game | ||
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Toudeleski
United States66 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:49 Die4Ever wrote: Is Zest really one of the best protoss players right now? I know it was only one game, but that cannon rush was so bad lol it counts for like 100 games Proleague games don't carry much weight in terms of a evaluating a Player, doubly so if they're doing some rush/sniper build. Zest has always been more vulnerable in PvP, but I don't see him losing to anyone in his group. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:52 Toudeleski wrote: Proleague games don't carry much weight in terms of a evaluating a Player, doubly so if they're doing some rush/sniper build. Zest has always been more vulnerable in PvP, but I don't see him losing to anyone in his group. you don't see Zest losing to Byun? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:49 Die4Ever wrote: Is Zest really one of the best protoss players right now? I know it was only one game, but that cannon rush was so bad lol it counts for like 100 games He is not. | ||
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EvilsPresley
France132 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:55 Thouhastmail wrote: There must be sth behind this; Maru and Nerch in a group. You had one job Kespa Cup... Oh wait... You did it! Thank you Kespa Cup. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:49 Die4Ever wrote: Is Zest really one of the best protoss players right now? I know it was only one game, but that cannon rush was so bad lol it counts for like 100 games Depends what you mean by "one of the best". I would consider him a top 10 Protoss, but not top 5. | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:52 Toudeleski wrote: Proleague games don't carry much weight in terms of a evaluating a Player, doubly so if they're doing some rush/sniper build. Zest has always been more vulnerable in PvP, but I don't see him losing to anyone in his group. Idea that Zest is slumping isn't based on just that one PL finals game. It's based on his entire Season 2, including ProLeague | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 22 2016 15:01 killerm12 wrote: Idea that Zest is slumping isn't based on just that one PL finals game. It's based on his entire Season 2, including ProLeague Like that Starleague loss, where he was defeated 1-3 by Patience (who I would not really consider the pinnacle of PvPers). | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On September 22 2016 15:04 FrkFrJss wrote: Like that Starleague loss, where he was defeated 1-3 by Patience (who I would not really consider the pinnacle of PvPers). or the loss to TaeJa... | ||
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Elentos
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
Or the fact that his last recorded series win was over two months ago. Seriously, though, Patience's PvP record is not impressive whatsoever. | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On September 22 2016 15:08 Elentos wrote: The last chance to get points for Blizzcon. Classic and his biggest competitor end up in the same group. Oh KeSPA. what's worse for both of them, they have GOD himself in group as well - Nerchio | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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RKC
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I expect Zest to rise again and go far. LOTV is volatile af. Even the most experienced hands can bombed out in spectacular fashion. But form can also disintegrate in a matter of days. So without being able to read too much into recent results, those with a track record of bouncing back should be the best bets. And that includes Zest (who dropped out of the face of the earth for almost a year only to win IEM finals). (Zest is definitely top 5 Protoss, if not top 3. He was No 1 not too long ago. For him to slid out of the Top 10 within a short space of time and sample of games is really ridiculous, even if he might eventually fall out within the next few months. That's not rankings work. It would take Djokovic probably half a year to slid out of the top 10 even if he keeps bombing out of consecutive tourneys) | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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Toudeleski
United States66 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3380 Posts
It d be great to have a foreigner advance, it d give hype for blizzcon. Also I hope the foreigner vs korean games are less boring than what we ve had recently in gsl and ssl | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On September 22 2016 14:10 Koivusto wrote: Rip Neeb? He won't conquer BuyN, but definitely has an upper hand against Zest. It all comes down to match against Rogue which well..Wouldn't bet my own money on him, but maybe yours. Time to belieeeveeee He definitely doesn't have the upper hand against Zest. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 22 2016 15:57 Olli wrote: He definitely doesn't have the upper hand against Zest. He may not have the upper hand, but we don't even know if Zest currently has a hand. In 2014, Zest was spotty in the latter half of the year, and he never had many stellar results in 2015. He was good but not great. Even when he was doing well this past year, his recent record has not been amazing versus Protoss. He has consistently lost to Protoss that I would consider to be worse than him. He's performed passably, but it has been a weakness of his this year. For reference, he's dropped sets/multiples of games to Patience, MC, and Super. They're not bad Protoss by any means, but I would not consider their PvP to be anything spectacular (especially Patience). | ||
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AaGaM
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 22 2016 15:57 Olli wrote: He definitely doesn't have the upper hand against Zest. He certainly does if Zest tries to cannon rush him. More seriously though Zests form has been pretty awful lately its hard to know where he's at | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 22 2016 16:16 sc2chronic wrote: cant wait to see how nerchio does in his group. he is getting a little over confident in himself these days. i hope the koreans crush him and wake him up to reality As much as this may be true, what would you say if he did make it out of his group? | ||
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RKC
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Do you really think Wales stand a better chance at winning the next World Cup than Spain? | ||
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MoonyD
Australia191 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 22 2016 16:24 RKC wrote: I don't understand why people automatically downgrade a former Starleague champion who's lost a couple of games to A and B class players to the level of an A or B class player who's beaten S class players (including Starleague champions) but never won a Starleague. Do you really think Wales stand a better chance at winning the next World Cup than Spain? Depends on their form coming right into the world cup. | ||
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RKC
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On September 22 2016 16:29 Phredxor wrote: Depends on their form coming right into the world cup. Portugal, Germany and Spain had less than perfect qualifier runs into the last Euro (losing to lesser teams). I don't think anyone were dismissing their chances by that much. True, Wales had a strong run, and did go far in the Euros - but if the betting odds were all equal between the teams, would you even had betted on them to go far? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Maru vs. Nerchio the dream! Feeling bad for Rogue :-( | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
if nerchio goes 0-2, i ban him for a month if nerchio wins a series, i ban all of the takers for a week and no one can talk trash on him that entire week if nerchio advances, i ban all of the takers for a month and no one can talk trash on him that entire month any takers? nerchio? | ||
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stardog
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On September 22 2016 15:40 Nerchio wrote: Heh You mistyped easy. | ||
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RKC
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
assuming he agrees and we get enough brave souls to take the bet | ||
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beentheredonethat
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but I'm happy to get proven wrong | ||
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warlocke
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Penev
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ez | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 22 2016 17:01 lichter wrote: i'm surprised people aren't calling out ban bets on nerchio yet if nerchio goes 0-2, i ban him for a month if nerchio wins a series, i ban all of the takers for a week and no one can talk trash on him that entire week if nerchio advances, i ban all of the takers for a month and no one can talk trash on him that entire month any takers? nerchio? I would bet Nerch to lose every match except one set. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 22 2016 17:16 Thouhastmail wrote: I would bet Nerch to lose every match except one set. So he goes 1-4? | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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CynicalDeath
Italy3408 Posts
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seemsgood
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
1. perfect race distribution, no group with two races only 2. perfect team distribution, no team kills 3. perfect foreigner distribution, every group can enjoy their own foreigner 4. Patience / Classic to fight for their BlizzCon spot in one group 5. Giving Nerchio into Maru's group All this will be soooo great!!!! | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 22 2016 18:14 Nerchio wrote: I heard that losing in Korea might be more profitable than winning gone way too far. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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Eiltonn
Germany307 Posts
On September 22 2016 16:52 Pandemona wrote: Nice Maru gets Nerchio, lets see how he deals with Mr Maru and his crazy ass TvZ builds Idk HOW he will deal with them, but i know it will be Ez for nerchio On September 22 2016 18:14 Nerchio wrote: I heard that losing in Korea might be more profitable than winning Actually winning the Cup surely nets more moneys | ||
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insitelol
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On September 22 2016 18:27 hiroshOne wrote: GO GO NERCHIO! I'm hyped as a child in candy store! Nerchio vs koreans and premiere tournament brings emotions that i almost forgot in sc2 :-) Thank u for that. We're all counting on You! And obviously this. The last time i was hyped that much was Naniwa vs. Korea Blizzcon in 2013. I strongly believe that foreigners are in their best shape ever, and it is the right time! And what i really like about Nerchio is his attitude. While naniwa (i respect him anyways) and lilbow gave up before the fight (in 2013 and 2015 accordingly), nerchio (and snute) believes in himself. I can feel this confidence. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
1 vs. 2 or 1 vs. 4? | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3392 Posts
)I think True will make it out in Group B, it's the definite weaker group. Trap will do very well. Group D is too sick, Nerchio should defeat the Protoss opponents. This looks super sick, if no foreigner makes it out, it doesn't mean jack shit, they're way outnumbered. This is sho shick! | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 22 2016 18:48 ejozl wrote: Another Jin Air victim for Nerchio. (repeats counts? )I think True will make it out in Group B, it's the definite weaker group. Trap will do very well. Group D is too sick, Nerchio should defeat the Protoss opponents. This looks super sick, if no foreigner makes it out, it doesn't mean jack shit, they're way outnumbered. This is sho shick! I don't think Nerchio can easily defeat two of the best Protosses in the world fighting for their BlizzCon spot ... | ||
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Penev
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On September 22 2016 18:14 Nerchio wrote: I heard that losing in Korea might be more profitable than winning In the fifth your ass goes down | ||
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MLuneth
Australia557 Posts
On September 22 2016 17:01 lichter wrote: i'm surprised people aren't calling out ban bets on nerchio yet if nerchio goes 0-2, i ban him for a month if nerchio wins a series, i ban all of the takers for a week and no one can talk trash on him that entire week if nerchio advances, i ban all of the takers for a month and no one can talk trash on him that entire month any takers? nerchio? I'll bet that nerchio will do well, you can ban me if he goes out 0-2 I think that he got a pretty good group with 2 pvzs so I expect him to advance anyway | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 22 2016 19:08 MLuneth wrote: I'll bet that nerchio will do well, you can ban me if he goes out 0-2 I think that he got a pretty good group with 2 pvzs so I expect him to advance anyway That would be an "easy" group for Snute, whose best match up is ZvP. For Nerchio, whose best matchup is ZvT, this group is a disaster. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 22 2016 16:06 FrkFrJss wrote: For reference, he's dropped sets/multiples of games to Patience, MC, and Super. They're not bad Protoss by any means, but I would not consider their PvP to be anything spectacular (especially Patience). Eh, I dunno about that. MC only actually beat Zest one 1 map from a standard game. The other maps MC won were all stalker allins? And Super only took a couple maps of him after Zest already passed his Starleague group (where it makes sense for Zest to lose if he wants easier opponents to advance with him). My memory is dodgy though. His 1-3 to patience was after he slumped hard after the Taeja loss. Remember 2014 when he was considered the best player then lost to Life at blizzcon? Took him nearly a year to get back to form. If i had to bet I'd say he still gonna be slumpin' It's gonna be Byun Rogue, herO TY, Stats Solar, and Classic Patience. Upset possibilities being Neeb and Maru | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 22 2016 19:40 Mlord wrote: I'm not sure about my chance honestly, but bo3 group + its A vs B and C vs D OK, then you have at least the weakest opponent for the first match ... Stats would be much tougher ... | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
Rogue is okay but can a JA player win in individual leagues? ByuN will be hard but Neeb has already beaten him, in bo3 everything can happen between these two training partners even tho ByuN is the better player. ByuN (1st) and Neeb (2nd) for group A. TY and HerO for group B (no order) even tho Pet qualifying would be super funny. Stats and Trap for group C even though I'd hope for MLorD and Solar. Patience and Nerchio for group D (no order either), all four could qualify but I think Maru will shit the bed yet another time, Patience seems worse than Classic but he has been doing super well lately and is the kind of guy to eliminate fan favorites :D. Nerchio will qualify because that would piss of more haters. | ||
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MLuneth
Australia557 Posts
On September 22 2016 19:15 Diabolique wrote: That would be an "easy" group for Snute, whose best match up is ZvP. For Nerchio, whose best matchup is ZvT, this group is a disaster. It's more that I expect him to play 2 pvs and not 2 zvzs (which I think is probably his worst matchup) that makes me pretty confident. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Group A: I don't care, who wins as long as Rogue qualifies. But it will be quite difficult. Probably Rogue and Zest would be optimal as it was enough time for Zest being downgraded by everybody. I remember, when I mentioned at the end of June that Zest seems to lose slowly his form, people wanted to eat me alive here on TL. And now, the same people do not count Zest among the 5 best protosses. I do. Group B: herO and TY should do fine, I can't cheer for the "opportunist foreigner" True and Pet is just a Pet. An uninteresting group. Group C: Hype! I wish, both MarineLord and Trap could progress, but it is not very likely. Anyway, I want MarineLord at least getting into the decider match, ideally playing all three opponents. Group D: Maru wins as he is the best player from the whole group. The two protosses will fight for their BlizzCon place. Patience is probably the better one, as he easily defeated sOs in his decider match for BlizzCon, so I guess Maru with Patience will go on. Nerchio? Well, I watched the VOD from shoutcraft and he played really well against Maru. Had he lost to Maru, I would be giving him more chances. But now, Maru knows, Nerchio is not an easy walkover, so he will not underestimate him, should these two meet. But I do not think so as both the protosses are too strong for Nerchio. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
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Mier19891
United States75 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 22 2016 19:23 Fango wrote: Eh, I dunno about that. MC only actually beat Zest one 1 map from a standard game. The other maps MC won were all stalker allins? And Super only took a couple maps of him after Zest already passed his Starleague group (where it makes sense for Zest to lose if he wants easier opponents to advance with him). My memory is dodgy though. His 1-3 to patience was after he slumped hard after the Taeja loss. Remember 2014 when he was considered the best player then lost to Life at blizzcon? Took him nearly a year to get back to form. If i had to bet I'd say he still gonna be slumpin' It's gonna be Byun Rogue, herO TY, Stats Solar, and Classic Patience. Upset possibilities being Neeb and Maru But does it really matter how someone won if they won? In the qualifiers Neeb was up 2-0 and then Scarlett did a quick speedling timing that he didn't expect, and Scarlett won two games from that. In the prior two games Neeb was by far the better player in macro, but he's weaker to early timings. Super actually won one game against Zest before Zest qualified, so I don't think Zest was going easy on him then. And the other game, yes, Zest was already qualified. Actually it was both the Ryung and the Taeja loss, but yes, that is correct. I think we actually agree on Group A, that it's likely going to be Byun and Rogue (with Zest presumably in his slump) but with Neeb as upset material. Of note is that in LotV, Neeb has a 100% series win rate against Korean Protoss. That being said, he's only played 6 maps. That being said, against Korean Zergs, he has a LotV winrate of 61.45% (which includes beta). And again, most of these are Hydra and True, (but True isn't a bad zerg by any means). | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
nerchio will be able to finally prove to us that maru is "not that great" xDDD | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On September 22 2016 18:14 Nerchio wrote: I heard that losing in Korea might be more profitable than winning hot damn, you really enjoy pissing people off I like it | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
gratz to nerchio for winning, i guess q_q all my tears are real | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On September 22 2016 20:36 Incognoto wrote: when did nerchio and maru play? i can't find the tournament match where it happened gratz to nerchio for winning, i guess q_q all my tears are real they played last week in SHOUTCraft Kings, but it was just a Bo1 anyway, it's individual tournament not a PL so no matter what JAGW fans say about Maru's better preparation now as he knows who's he playing against...Maru will bomb as always | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
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Elentos
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Group B: I can't really see TY losing a BO3 against either of the Zergs so he should make it no matter what, I'm not sure about herO's form but I expect him to make it as well Group C: I fully expect Solar to take 1st place, with Trap and Stats fighting for 2nd, I think MarineLorD got a pretty bad draw Group D: I'm thinking Classic and Maru (in that order) but Patience and Nerchio could throw a wrench into that prediction | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
byun, maru, myungsik, rogue if nerchio is capable of going through players like that maybe he is code s caliber. some more global events would make us more able to gauge things! | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 22 2016 20:50 Incognoto wrote: i don't understand the format at all but holy cow nerchio had a nice run It's just a King of the Hill | ||
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Daswollvieh
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
should be good games though. sick players all around other than Zest, not sure about Pet. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 22 2016 22:05 ZiggyPG wrote: I find your lack of faith in Maru rather bewildering. Its every time though, alk year Marus been having winning predictions and it never happens | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On September 22 2016 22:13 Fango wrote: Its every time though, alk year Marus been having winning predictions and it never happens I know, his performance this year has been underwhelming to say the least. But I still think he's more than capable of dispatching Classic and Patience. Nerchio gave him a run for his money in the most recent installment of Shoutcraft Kings, however that was a bo1 played online. Now they'll meet in completely different conditions. I hope Maru delivers this time. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
GL to our foreigners from foreignland | ||
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MushinSSC
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The_Red_Viper
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) B: TY and herO C: Stats and Solar D: Classic and Maru If one of the foreigners makes it out (i don't count TRUE here) that's an interesting surprise imo. If anyone wants to sigbet that, let's go! | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On September 22 2016 22:05 ZiggyPG wrote: I find your lack of faith in Maru rather bewildering. It's simple...he sucks | ||
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outscar
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
Either way I'm going to enjoy watching the foreigner hopes being dashed. | ||
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Topin
Peru10080 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 23 2016 00:55 Diabolique wrote: will foreigners cheese the koreans in the first game?? More likely Koreans cheese the foreigners. It's standard to cheese players much weaker than you because you know they wont hold. Also, the foreigners will undoubtably have prepared snipe builds for all the Koreans (whereas Koreans aren't familiar with their play), I believe if a player has a sniper prepared then cheesing them is the best idea because it throws them of it. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:38 Fango wrote: More likely Koreans cheese the foreigners. It's standard to cheese players much weaker than you because you know they wont hold. Also, the foreigners will undoubtably have prepared snipe builds for all the Koreans (whereas Koreans aren't familiar with their play), I believe if a player has a sniper prepared then cheesing them is the best idea because it throws them of it. You see, for me, if you are playing a weaker opponent, you better play a standard macro game as you know, you will win in it. While if you try a cheese, it might not work and you might lose. If you are a foreigner and you know, you will probably lose in a standard macro game, then you better try a cheese as it gives you a better opportunity to win than in a macro game. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:38 Fango wrote: More likely Koreans cheese the foreigners. It's standard to cheese players much weaker than you because you know they wont hold. Also, the foreigners will undoubtably have prepared snipe builds for all the Koreans (whereas Koreans aren't familiar with their play), I believe if a player has a sniper prepared then cheesing them is the best idea because it throws them of it. If you have much weaker opponents you don't lose to them even in bo1, ergo these foreigners ain't much weaker than the koreans. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:44 Diabolique wrote: You see, for me, if you are playing a weaker opponent, you better play a standard macro game as you know, you will win in it. While if you try a cheese, it might not work and you might lose. If you are a foreigner and you know, you will probably lose in a standard macro game, then you better try a cheese as it gives you a better opportunity to win than in a macro game. True, but the idea is that the weaker player will almost certainly have a specific snipe plan/timing. Cheesing them forces them to change it/messes them up. Nothing's worse than trying to snipe someone and they cheese you. On September 23 2016 03:03 Poopi wrote: If you have much weaker opponents you don't lose to them even in bo1, ergo these foreigners ain't much weaker than the koreans. Bait but it doesn't matter. Korean's consider foreigners to be scrubs and easy wins so they will play like that, even if foreigners have improved a bit. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On September 23 2016 03:17 Fango wrote: True, but the idea is that the weaker player will almost certainly have a specific snipe plan/timing. Cheesing them forces them to change it/messes them up. Nothing's worse than trying to snipe someone and they cheese you. Bait but it doesn't matter. Korean's consider foreigners to be scrubs and easy wins so they will play like that, even if foreigners have improved a bit. You sound like you think it's not true. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On September 23 2016 01:44 Diabolique wrote: You see, for me, if you are playing a weaker opponent, you better play a standard macro game as you know, you will win in it. While if you try a cheese, it might not work and you might lose. If you are a foreigner and you know, you will probably lose in a standard macro game, then you better try a cheese as it gives you a better opportunity to win than in a macro game. Tell that to Life and Lilbow | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On September 23 2016 03:17 Fango wrote: True, but the idea is that the weaker player will almost certainly have a specific snipe plan/timing. Cheesing them forces them to change it/messes them up. Nothing's worse than trying to snipe someone and they cheese you. Bait but it doesn't matter. Korean's consider foreigners to be scrubs and easy wins so they will play like that, even if foreigners have improved a bit. It's not a bait you are trolling and speaking non sense but lightly enough for feeding to be acceptable . | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On September 23 2016 04:14 Nerchio wrote: There should be an ignore system where you just don't see posts of the people you ignored, works on some other forums but then nobody would be able to read your posts anymore /s | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On September 23 2016 04:22 Charoisaur wrote: but then nobody would be able to read your posts anymore /s Who are you even talking to? | ||
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
On September 23 2016 04:14 Nerchio wrote: There should be an ignore system where you just don't see posts of the people you ignored, works on some other forums There used to be a script that did this, but it broke at one point when the site was updated. Which was a pity, because it was very handy. Although I only used it for it's other use which was to highlight posts of people which you had "favorited". This way I could easily scroll through threads to look for progamer posts or post from people whose opinion I valued. Oh, it also highlighted posts which quoted your own posts iirc. Personally I feel like ignoring people is not useful, I just mark them down as people to ignore in my head and still skim through their posts (or chat messages, or whatever the medium). Sometimes even those people say useful things, and I also prefer to see what's being said even if it's stupid or insulting. Also, why isn't this a weekend tournament, no way to watch this live now. Sigh | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
prediction: A: ByuN and Zest or Rogue B: TY and herO C: Solar and Stats D: Classic and Maru or Patience gl to all! :D | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2016 05:01 Kerence wrote: There used to be a script that did this, but it broke at one point when the site was updated. Which was a pity, because it was very handy. Although I only used it for it's other use which was to highlight posts of people which you had "favorited". This way I could easily scroll through threads to look for progamer posts or post from people whose opinion I valued. Oh, it also highlighted posts which quoted your own posts iirc. Personally I feel like ignoring people is not useful, I just mark them down as people to ignore in my head and still skim through their posts (or chat messages, or whatever the medium). Sometimes even those people say useful things, and I also prefer to see what's being said even if it's stupid or insulting. Also, why isn't this a weekend tournament, no way to watch this live now. Sigh i wanted to ignore noonius once but the best i could manage was countering his sig with my own T_T | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
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necrosexy
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3392 Posts
On September 22 2016 18:54 Diabolique wrote: I don't think Nerchio can easily defeat two of the best Protosses in the world fighting for their BlizzCon spot ... Classic is my pick to win Blizzcon, if he actually goes.. Still I favour Nerchio in ZvP vs these 2 guys, never did say it would be easy though. Maru will be the biggest obstacle for Nerchio, even though he did beat him once and might even do it again, it's playing him again, which is the hard part, since you cannot outperform Maru on pure execution. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On September 23 2016 19:11 Incognoto wrote: Nerchio beating maru propels him to top 1 foreigner probably He wouldn't be the first to do it though... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 23 2016 04:02 FFW_Rude wrote: You sound like you think it's not true. You misunderstand me, personally I don't think its right, I think if you're playing a weaker opponent you should try to play standard. But I was merely explaining the idea for cheesing when you're the better player. Many big players have done this, when Maru, Life, or Zest for example are heavily favoured its quite common for them to cheese. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 23 2016 19:11 Incognoto wrote: Nerchio beating maru propels him to top 1 foreigner probably Beating Byun Maru Rogue and Myungsik does, not just Maru. I mean well, technically, beating Neeb, snute, and showtime would make him the best foreigner. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2016 21:16 Fango wrote: Beating Byun Maru Rogue and Myungsik does, not just Maru. I mean well, technically, beating Neeb, snute, and showtime would make him the best foreigner. the rest is extra but taking out number one bo1 monster in the world (best proleague player in history), yeah that takes skill man nerchio top foreigner by far | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On September 23 2016 21:37 Incognoto wrote: but taking out number one bo1 monster in the world (best proleague player in history), yeah that takes skill man nerchio top foreigner by far Maru did not prepare that match against Nerchio as good as any bo1 of Proleague that he had ever played IF he prepare at all which I doubt. | ||
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
On September 24 2016 00:32 Argonauta wrote: Maru did not prepare that match against Nerchio as good as any bo1 of Proleague that he had ever played IF he prepare at all which I doubt. Maru could not possible have done any preparation for Nerchio as he would have had no idea who he was going to face up against, that is the nature of TB's king of the hill event. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
To be honest, when Nerchio was beating Koreans 8-0 in ShoutCraft, nobody in Korean community seemed surprised or interested much. Because we've already seen that kind of things a lot before through Korean amateurs beating Korean top pros in online events or ladder. So why not by Nerchio? I also saw yesterday in Korean community Soloist(korean semi-pro terran player) saying "guys I can't believe I beated Dark 2-0 on ladder today" and he posted those 2 replays there. So, by seeing online results anyone can beat anyone even if you are lower than semi-pro level. But, Neeb, Nerchio, and Mlord are obviously much better than those Korean amateurs, so I believe they will do better vs top Korean pros in offline. | ||
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 24 2016 01:40 TheHumanLife wrote: online is just online and ladder is just ladder, I've seen tons of Korean code A or even amateurs beating top Korean pros in online event or ladder since long ago. But they haven't shown anything against top pros in offline yet. We gotta wait until Kespa cup and Blizzcon :p To be honest, when Nerchio was beating Koreans 8-0 in ShoutCraft, nobody in Korean community seemed surprised or interested much. Because we've already seen that kind of things a lot before through Korean amateurs beating Korean top pros in online events or ladder. So why not by Nerchio? I also saw yesterday in Korean community Soloist(korean amateur terran player) saying "guys I can't believe I beated Dark 2-0 on ladder today" and he posted those 2 replays there. So, by seeing online results anyone can beat anyone even if you are lower than semi-pro level. But, Neeb, Nerchio, and Mlord are obviously much better than those Korean amateurs, so I believe they will do better vs top Korean pros in offline. :p Very, very true. Though I still think that online cups are different than simply ladder grinding. Also, the fact that foreigners usually beat the Korean amateurs in those cups anyways. But the thing that stood out to me was that soloist (if the translation is correct) was quite surprised at his victory. This means that it is not likely a regular occurrence for him. Whereas for foreigners, it is not uncommon for them to beat lower level Code S players in places like Olimoleague and other tournaments. And I feel that any person plays a bit differently when they know that there is something on the line (like money). So in that sense, I do agree that online and offline are different beasts, but I do wonder as to how different they are. Also, my hopes are high for foreigners, but my expectations are not. Maybe Neeb takes a game off of Zest or Rogue. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 24 2016 02:22 FrkFrJss wrote: Very, very true. Though I still think that online cups are different than simply ladder grinding. Also, the fact that foreigners usually beat the Korean amateurs in those cups anyways. But the thing that stood out to me was that soloist (if the translation is correct) was quite surprised at his victory. This means that it is not likely a regular occurrence for him. Whereas for foreigners, it is not uncommon for them to beat lower level Code S players in places like Olimoleague and other tournaments. Well, yes, but Dark is an SSL finalist (and season 1 champion), not some lower level Code S player. Of course it wouldn't be a regular occurrence for Soloist to beat one of the best players in Korea. In the same vein that it's not a regular thing for foreigners to beat ByuN in online cups (maybe less regular since Soloist probably is quite a bit worse than top foreigners). | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
On September 24 2016 02:22 FrkFrJss wrote: Very, very true. Though I still think that online cups are different than simply ladder grinding. Also, the fact that foreigners usually beat the Korean amateurs in those cups anyways. But the thing that stood out to me was that soloist (if the translation is correct) was quite surprised at his victory. This means that it is not likely a regular occurrence for him. Whereas for foreigners, it is not uncommon for them to beat lower level Code S players in places like Olimoleague and other tournaments. And I feel that any person plays a bit differently when they know that there is something on the line (like money). So in that sense, I do agree that online and offline are different beasts, but I do wonder as to how different they are. Also, my hopes are high for foreigners, but my expectations are not. Maybe Neeb takes a game off of Zest or Rogue. I was only talking about what happened just yesterday, but before that, it was not rare to see Korean semi-pros or amateurs beating top Korean pros in Korean online tournament as well.(and I stated that in my 1st sentence) And Dark is none other than current No.1 zerg in the world, and no doubt about that. And in offline premier events such as GSL and SSL, seems those top pros don't allow much chance for them. Some Korean amateurs not very surprised by beating those top Korean pros in online but some of them are not. Soloist just has that kind of personality who often get excited by beating top Korean pros through online, which has nothing to do with his skill level. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Lorning
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usopsama
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 24 2016 13:56 usopsama wrote: I don't even like Maru I'm sorry for you. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 24 2016 13:56 usopsama wrote: I don't even like Maru, but I can't wait to see Maru tear Nerchio a new asshole. Why a third? He's already got shit coming out of the one on his head. Should be a good tournament, hope to see a foreigner in the top 8. | ||
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Zedd
Czech Republic107 Posts
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
Hopefully Nerchio will win this! I am really enjoying his playstyle at the moment. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On September 24 2016 23:24 cutler wrote: Dont know much about these korean players. I have read their names several times...but since i dont see them in Tournaments i dont know how good they really are. Hopefully Nerchio will win this! I am really enjoying his playstyle at the moment. Then you missed the best performances of starcraft 2 so far. I strongly recomend you to check all the korean scene as well as blizzcon tournaments. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2215 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
On September 24 2016 23:24 cutler wrote: Dont know much about these korean players. I have read their names several times...but since i dont see them in Tournaments i dont know how good they really are. Hopefully Nerchio will win this! I am really enjoying his playstyle at the moment. You... Haven't heard of... Wait... What...? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:58 Seeker wrote: You... Haven't heard of... Wait... What...? We found the guy who only watches dreamhack, etc Didn't believe it's true, but here we are. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:58 Seeker wrote: You... Haven't heard of... Wait... What...? This is the guy Kim Phan was talking about at blizzcon last year. We found him | ||
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Oalfredo77
35 Posts
On September 24 2016 23:24 cutler wrote: Dont know much about these korean players. I have read their names several times...but since i dont see them in Tournaments i dont know how good they really are. Hopefully Nerchio will win this! I am really enjoying his playstyle at the moment. Lol "these korean players" wtf ! | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 26 2016 00:38 Cricketer12 wrote: This is the guy Kim Phan was talking about at blizzcon last year. We found him I think it's a Blizzard plant. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sB8Xktu.png) Nerchio greeted by Korean fans (by Legho from Netwars.pl) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 26 2016 05:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: So anybody wanna sigbet me? I say no foreigner (TRUE doesn't count) makes it out of groups. But is that even fair? I think the chances of a foreigner making it out is pretty low. A more reasonable one would be that no foreigner wins a series. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 26 2016 05:19 FrkFrJss wrote: But is that even fair? I think the chances of a foreigner making it out is pretty low. A more reasonable one would be that no foreigner wins a series. I'd say the odds of any foreigner not getting last place in their group is still low. The closest is Neeb and even then he has to beat Rogue | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 05:19 FrkFrJss wrote: But is that even fair? I think the chances of a foreigner making it out is pretty low. A more reasonable one would be that no foreigner wins a series. I mean obviously i wanna win that bet and thus i am not 100% inclined to make it as fair (realistic chance for both sides winning?) as possible | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a9JASVw.jpg) Assuming they use the same ro8 format as SSL, I'm fairly confident on the ms-paint predictions. I think that if Zest beats Rogue he can easily take out Maru (they like 6-1 this year), otherwise I can see a Maru Byun finals. | ||
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SinO[Ob]
France897 Posts
On September 26 2016 00:38 Cricketer12 wrote: This is the guy Kim Phan was talking about at blizzcon last year. We found him You killed me sir! xD | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On September 26 2016 06:42 Fango wrote: Assuming they use the same ro8 format as SSL, I'm fairly confident on the ms-paint predictions. I think that if Zest beats Rogue he can easily take out Maru (they like 6-1 this year), otherwise I can see a Maru Byun finals. I have Rogue v herO and Stats v Classic in the semis Rogue > Classic finals | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Byun/Rogue herO/True Solar/Trap Classic/Maru (actually if I could change it to Maru/Patience or Patience/Classic, not sure about this group. Even Nerchio can edge it out, if it works for him). | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 26 2016 06:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean obviously i wanna win that bet and thus i am not 100% inclined to make it as fair (realistic chance for both sides winning?) as possible How about you sigbet that no foreigner wins a game? From what people say, I think that should be about even odds :D. Also, you think Maru will make the finals? He's done even worse than Zest. Not to mention PvT is his LotV worst matchup. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
TL.net warns people using "kappa", but if you guys can't see such obvious sarcasm, this rules should be changed, maybe...  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 08:51 FrkFrJss wrote: How about you sigbet that no foreigner wins a game? From what people say, I think that should be about even odds :D. Also, you think Maru will make the finals? He's done even worse than Zest. Not to mention PvT is his LotV worst matchup. I wouldn't bet that one tbh :D I am all for shouting KESPAAAA and hyping the korean overlords, but it's still sc2 and not bw. (and even in BW Jaedong lost to a foreigner at WCG) So winning games and maybe even a set is doable, i don't think anyone will make it out of the groups though. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
any1 mad? anyways, predictions: neeb/byun ty/true solar/stats nerchio/classic (kinda tossup here between nerchio/classic and maru/classic) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 26 2016 13:03 travis wrote: I think we are going to have foreigner upsets. I think at least 1 foreigner gets out of groups, with a pretty good chance of 2. I think the foreigners in this are on or near the level of the koreans. I'd put either neeb or nerchio above a random korean in terms of chances of winning the entire tournament. any1 mad? anyways, predictions: neeb/byun ty/true solar/stats nerchio/classic (kinda tossup here between nerchio/classic and maru/classic) Putting Neeb and Nerchio above someone like Pet doesn't mean much. Most people would consider Pet to have 0.1% chance of winning. | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
On September 26 2016 13:03 travis wrote: I think we are going to have foreigner upsets. I think at least 1 foreigner gets out of groups, with a pretty good chance of 2. I think the foreigners in this are on or near the level of the koreans. I'd put either neeb or nerchio above a random korean in terms of chances of winning the entire tournament. any1 mad? anyways, predictions: neeb/byun ty/true solar/stats nerchio/classic (kinda tossup here between nerchio/classic and maru/classic) its always nice to hear the opposite side of the coin. making bold predictions without putting anything on the line must be very hard! | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 26 2016 13:31 sc2chronic wrote: its always nice to hear the opposite side of the coin. making bold predictions without putting anything on the line must be very hard! Almost as hard as posting without being snide! | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Neeb should get out of the group, but not when the group consists of Zest, ByuN and Rogue :-)) No chance. Nerchio could get of any average random Korean group. E.g. group B. But he has no chance against Maru (after he has beaten him in ShoutCraft, Maru will take him seriously) and Patience and Classic will fight for their BlizzCon life ... Without this special motivation, I would say, Nerchio could beat one of them, but not in a situation, when everything is on the line for them. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 26 2016 17:36 Diabolique wrote: I would really wish MarineLord to get out of the group together with Trap, but I know, it is practically impossible. Neeb should get out of the group, but not when the group consists of Zest, ByuN and Rogue :-)) No chance. Nerchio could get of any average random Korean group. E.g. group B. But he has no chance against Maru (after he has beaten him in ShoutCraft, Maru will take him seriously) and Patience and Classic will fight for their BlizzCon life ... Without this special motivation, I would say, Nerchio could beat one of them, but not in a situation, when everything is on the line for them. For MarineLord...yeah. I like how you slam group B as an "average" Korean group, which, more than the others groups, it kind of is. The question for me is what kind of game will Zest and Rogue bring. Zest may have had a few bad months, but before that, he was practically invincible. But rogue, on the other hand, has only a ro16 GSL placement this year, and even his proleague is only 10th. So will they bring their a game? Or will they underestimate Neeb as you said they would have underestimated Nerchio? If Zest and Rogue were playing at tip top level, the yeah, Neeb doesn't really stand a chance. But if they don't being their best form, then he might win or at least upset one. For Nerchio, I think if he can play patience, then he has a chance. Patience is wierd because he somehow manages to win with rather ugly games. And the ugly games are where foreigners and Koreans are more similar because people don't play perfect in those games. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Also Neeb is quite well known on Korea and on the ladder, i doubt they will not prepare for him. Nerchio and MLord maybe, although Dark did say he looked at the Shoutcraft games so other probably have. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 26 2016 19:02 Fango wrote: TY usually gets rekt by Maru at least in SPL. Thing is we never see Maru, TY, or Byun fight eachother in a series. One of them gotta be the best TvTer. Theres a good chance they meet in ro8 and ro4. Also Neeb is quite well known on Korea and on the ladder, i doubt they will not prepare for him. Nerchio and MLord maybe, although Dark did say he looked at the Shoutcraft games so other probably have. INno's the best TvTer | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
After J-god. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
After the main patch he actually might be, what with the return of mech | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 26 2016 18:06 FrkFrJss wrote: For MarineLord...yeah. I like how you slam group B as an "average" Korean group, which, more than the others groups, it kind of is. The question for me is what kind of game will Zest and Rogue bring. Zest may have had a few bad months, but before that, he was practically invincible. But rogue, on the other hand, has only a ro16 GSL placement this year, and even his proleague is only 10th. So will they bring their a game? Or will they underestimate Neeb as you said they would have underestimated Nerchio? If Zest and Rogue were playing at tip top level, the yeah, Neeb doesn't really stand a chance. But if they don't being their best form, then he might win or at least upset one. For Nerchio, I think if he can play patience, then he has a chance. Patience is wierd because he somehow manages to win with rather ugly games. And the ugly games are where foreigners and Koreans are more similar because people don't play perfect in those games. Zest had bad results, but I do not think, he lost all his skills from the past. It is time for him to get back to the top. Rogue for me is an amazing player, who always surprises and beats the best opponents, against whom nobody gives him any chance. I think, he is the second best Zerg in the world and he is capable to beat the best Zerg in the world. Capable to beat Zest, capable to beat ByuN. He is not good in winning a weekend tournament with many matches, but in the short series, he is the master and I hope, he will make it out of the group. Under normal circumstances, I would say, Nerchio could beat both Classic and Patience. But if he does, they are out of BlizzCon. Patience has just beaten sOs 2:0, who was fighting for his BlizzCon life. After sOs demolished herO and MyungSiK. He must be seriously good now. I know, it was PvP and this will be PvZ but I still cannot imagine an upset here. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 26 2016 20:01 Diabolique wrote: Zest had bad results, but I do not think, he lost all his skills from the past. It is time for him to get back to the top. Rogue for me is an amazing player, who always surprises and beats the best opponents, against whom nobody gives him any chance. I think, he is the second best Zerg in the world and he is capable to beat the best Zerg in the world. Capable to beat Zest, capable to beat ByuN. He is not good in winning a weekend tournament with many matches, but in the short series, he is the master and I hope, he will make it out of the group. Under normal circumstances, I would say, Nerchio could beat both Classic and Patience. But if he does, they are out of BlizzCon. Patience has just beaten sOs 2:0, who was fighting for his BlizzCon life. After sOs demolished herO and MyungSiK. He must be seriously good now. I know, it was PvP and this will be PvZ but I still cannot imagine an upset here. You think Nerchio can beat Classic? Classic almost beat dark in SSL semifinals in one of the closest PvZs I've ever seen. Classic is easily top 2 maybe number 1 PvZer in Korea. Patience maybe, I think he's a bit overrated recently. He got a lot of wins against top players but i think a lot of it was luck (TY throwing games to get a better seed, Zest being terrible etc). But still an SSl ro4 is a great result. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 26 2016 20:01 Diabolique wrote: Zest had bad results, but I do not think, he lost all his skills from the past. It is time for him to get back to the top. Rogue for me is an amazing player, who always surprises and beats the best opponents, against whom nobody gives him any chance. I think, he is the second best Zerg in the world and he is capable to beat the best Zerg in the world. Capable to beat Zest, capable to beat ByuN. He is not good in winning a weekend tournament with many matches, but in the short series, he is the master and I hope, he will make it out of the group. Under normal circumstances, I would say, Nerchio could beat both Classic and Patience. But if he does, they are out of BlizzCon. Patience has just beaten sOs 2:0, who was fighting for his BlizzCon life. After sOs demolished herO and MyungSiK. He must be seriously good now. I know, it was PvP and this will be PvZ but I still cannot imagine an upset here. You honestly believe Rogue is the second best Zerg? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On September 26 2016 13:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: So you are saying you wanna sigbet me? what would the sigbet be again? that a foreigner can make it out of groups? it wouldn't really be a fair bet for me . not because I don't have faith in the foreigners but just because there's only 3 foreigners out of 16 players that if we gave them equal weighting then foreigners wouldn't advance. I'm not stupid hahaedit: also, I'll admit.. I am watching the crossfinal games now. geeze... this is some sharp play. it is scary indeed | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 27 2016 06:36 travis wrote: what would the sigbet be again? that a foreigner can make it out of groups? it wouldn't really be a fair bet for me . not because I don't have faith in the foreigners but just because there's only 3 foreigners out of 16 players that if we gave them equal weighting then foreigners wouldn't advance. I'm not stupid hahaedit: also, I'll admit.. I am watching the crossfinal games now. geeze... this is some sharp play. it is scary indeed I just try to get some sigbets going, if you guys don't like my initial bet you can negotiate a better one  | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 27 2016 03:41 Phredxor wrote: You honestly believe Rogue is the second best Zerg? Well, Rogue has beaten with glory all the other best Zergs, so I should say, he is the BEST Zerg, but that would be stupid to say after Dark's and Solar's performances in the last month. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 27 2016 06:36 travis wrote: what would the sigbet be again? that a foreigner can make it out of groups? it wouldn't really be a fair bet for me . not because I don't have faith in the foreigners but just because there's only 3 foreigners out of 16 players that if we gave them equal weighting then foreigners wouldn't advance. I'm not stupid hahaedit: also, I'll admit.. I am watching the crossfinal games now. geeze... this is some sharp play. it is scary indeed Weighing everything equally (i.e we're assuming that everyone is equally skilled) one or more foreigners would make it out of the groups 87.5% of the time. So that excuse doesn't work. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On September 27 2016 07:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Weighing everything equally (i.e we're assuming that everyone is equally skilled) one or more foreigners would make it out of the groups 87.5% of the time. So that excuse doesn't work. I suppose you're right. my intuition was off since I was glancing over the fact that it's basically 3 coinflips since 2 people advance, not just 1 so fine viper if you're still here, what does the sigbet entail | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 27 2016 08:59 travis wrote: I suppose you're right. my intuition was off since I was glancing over the fact that it's basically 3 coinflips since 2 people advance, not just 1 so fine viper if you're still here, what does the sigbet entail Full control over the signature for one month? I would go up to a max of three months, i never again will lose my signature for one year -.- I am saying no foreigner will advance from groups. (TRUE doesn't count here) | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On September 27 2016 09:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: Full control over the signature for one month? I would go up to a max of three months, i never again will lose my signature for one year -.- I am saying no foreigner will advance from groups. (TRUE doesn't count here) one month, and that's fine no breaking of TL rules in the sig, of course edit: you'll need to say you agree before it starts, or no deal I'll be in bed | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 27 2016 10:05 travis wrote: one month, and that's fine no breaking of TL rules in the sig, of course edit: you'll need to say you agree before it starts, or no deal I'll be in bed Sure i agree with that | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Recent spot of education was Lilbow vs Life 2015 And I really think the best moment of foreigners was around 2010-2012 when Kespa players were still playing BW at that time. I don't even care whoever wins this tournament seriously. But sorry guys, this is the fact so far he he | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Best sigbet ever | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
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insitelol
845 Posts
edit: nvm found it. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
I already won the bet? hah I'm excited to check out the games after my exam. Hopefully neeb won on his merits rather than on the koreans playing bad. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:54 travis wrote: lol I woke up and spoilered myself I already won the bet? hah I'm excited to check out the games after my exam. Hopefully neeb won on his merits rather than on the koreans playing bad. It's always because Koreans play bad. Not like foreigners can too or that the same excuses can't be applied both ways. It's a one way street with the excuses. | ||
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