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Netherlands165 Posts
Alright, I usually don't argue about topics like this but I just wanted to clarify some stuff :
1. I can't imagine why any 'foreigner' would lie just to try and keep the current WCS system for longer. As you can probably imagine no one would become a sc2 progamer to make the big money. If my opinion about the current WCS doesn't match with yours, it doesn't mean im not being honest.
2. Even though Koreans are clearly better players, it does NOT mean foreigners are just lazily playing starcraft 2 once a week just coming in for the quick wcs welfare fame and cash grab. I did not quit my studies 3 years ago while I wasn't even that good ( a huge risk ) to play hearthstone and overwatch the entire day, most of us actually do try hard to become the best. Many people don't understand you can't just randomly go to Korea and practice with the best all day, no matter how much of a wonder story it sounds like. Many people can't afford to do that, probably not be able to get in a good teamhouse, while the ladder is not even that strong because of proleague (it really wasn't that challenging while I was playing from Shanghai) aswell as being 5 million miles from your home, family and friends. Yep, as much as you guys like to believe that Koreans are better than non-Koreans PURELY based off of hard work, its simply not true as they have had a large advantage ever since the start of sc2, and even early broodwar, about 15 years before now.
3. Most foreigners understand the points about foreigners and koreans and agree with them atleast a little bit ( we know winning a dreamhack open now means less than winning a dreamhack open in 2014 or 2015 ). No one here is pretending we have suddenly become literal gods and that is why we win championships. All the top players in Foreignland are still working hard and trying to win bigger championships with good koreans one day, anyone who dreams about winning stuff in starcraft2 and is still playing as a progamer, would clearly rather have a top finish at blizzcon than winning a dreamhack open. Most of us are just sad with the disrespect we players ( and community figures ) get from the community, we're really not as stupid and ignorant as some of you guys seem to think.
Clarifications :
1. My earlier comment about us being better players now, is not because of practicing against worse players rather than better players, but because there is much more motivation to practice now due to more opportunities, theres a big difference!
2. I didn't mean that dreamhacks/IEMs etc. are harder now than before, it was purely about the WCS circuit championships.
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On August 27 2016 07:11 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2016 07:09 scbwsc2 wrote:
I understand that the WCS system is indeed good for the foreign community, and said community has produced some surprisingly entertaining games. But attitudes like those of uThermal make me laugh. Maybe you're marginally better on stage because you don't have as much jitters playing under pressure, but don't even pretend that you're objectively better at the game, mechanically or strategically.
For me, this last WCS championship was irrefutable evidence of how WCS region lock has boosted foreign pros' egos and wallets, and not much else. TRUE, someone who hasn't touched the Ro8 in SSL and GSL in eons, just strolled through Snute, Harstem, Welmu, Heromarine, and Polt, and given the opportunity, he probably would've done the same to every other competitor there, considering how comfortably he won every match. I don't know how any reasonable person could look at that tournament, look at what happens when a single Korea-trained Korean is let loose on the foreign scene, and agree with uThermal's comments. But the only top foreigner he played was Snute, who had lost in the very same matchup to Guru of all people the tournament before. If you look at HomeStory Cup, you get a far less rosy picture of TRUE's success. If you look at online competitions, you get a far less rosy picture of TRUE's success. Was he the best player at Montreal? Probably, and definitely arguably, but there's no evidence to point to him being the best in the west right now, let alone by the margin you claim.
Oh please.
Stick Snute or ANY top foreigner into a Korean tournament and we can crash reddit if they make it out of the first round. But when we see GSL or SSL Koreans stop into a Dreamhack they win the entire tournament. This isn't a coincidence when it happens so frequently.
Is True as good as he looked at Montreal? Probably not. Is True a really good indicator of how wide the skill divide is between WCS and WCS Korea still? Absolutely.
Region locking isn't narrowing that divide. True just gave us a big clue to that and Blizzcon is going to settle that argument.
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On August 27 2016 07:14 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2016 07:13 Elentos wrote:On August 27 2016 06:50 Soularion wrote:On August 27 2016 06:48 Edpayasugo wrote:
I have almost zero interest now in foreign events such as DH etc and this has been the worst year of SC2 IMO since I started watching, which I think is really sad, 2015 was probably the best year.
What sucks harder is my favourite player (INno) is out of individual leagues and SPL now and basically I won't see him play until next year, it's only August. I think this is a fair argument, and we should counteract it by having three seasons of play instead of just two. It's kind of weird to see KR going back to 2-seasons when 3 worked so well, but I imagine part of it is just because of the start of LotV. If you go towards making it 3 seasons for 2017, then we'll see effectively the same korean scene, and I think you should enjoy things a lot more  I'm sure the absolute main reason KR went to 2 seasons of SSL/GSL and 3 rounds of Proleague is money. Well, hopefully Blizzard can find a way to ameliorate the Korean scene, but if it's a purely money thing then I don't think people can complain too much. Unfortunately. :/
Can complain all we want. But if SKT was on the verge of not sponsoring Proleague, if SPOTV was considering dropping SSL, if GSL is basically only still alive because Mr. Chae has unlimited passion, well, I doubt they can just add extra seasons.
Blizzard tried to kinda fix that by having cross finals but that's nothing in comparison.
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Canada2764 Posts
On August 27 2016 07:17 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2016 07:11 Soularion wrote:On August 27 2016 07:09 scbwsc2 wrote:
I understand that the WCS system is indeed good for the foreign community, and said community has produced some surprisingly entertaining games. But attitudes like those of uThermal make me laugh. Maybe you're marginally better on stage because you don't have as much jitters playing under pressure, but don't even pretend that you're objectively better at the game, mechanically or strategically.
For me, this last WCS championship was irrefutable evidence of how WCS region lock has boosted foreign pros' egos and wallets, and not much else. TRUE, someone who hasn't touched the Ro8 in SSL and GSL in eons, just strolled through Snute, Harstem, Welmu, Heromarine, and Polt, and given the opportunity, he probably would've done the same to every other competitor there, considering how comfortably he won every match. I don't know how any reasonable person could look at that tournament, look at what happens when a single Korea-trained Korean is let loose on the foreign scene, and agree with uThermal's comments. But the only top foreigner he played was Snute, who had lost in the very same matchup to Guru of all people the tournament before. If you look at HomeStory Cup, you get a far less rosy picture of TRUE's success. If you look at online competitions, you get a far less rosy picture of TRUE's success. Was he the best player at Montreal? Probably, and definitely arguably, but there's no evidence to point to him being the best in the west right now, let alone by the margin you claim. Oh please. Stick Snute or ANY top foreigner into a Korean tournament and we can crash reddit if they make it out of the first round. But when we see GSL or SSL Koreans stop into a Dreamhack they win the entire tournament. This isn't a coincidence when it happens so frequently. Is True as good as he looked at Montreal? Probably not. Is True a really good indicator of how wide the skill divide is between WCS and WCS Korea still? Absolutely. Region locking isn't narrowing that divide. True just gave us a big clue to that and Blizzcon is going to settle that argument.
Then let us watch with bated breath for Blizzcon to find out
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a non-Korean player will have to do what every Basketball player does who wants to become the best in the world.
for b-ball its learn english and move to the U. S. of by God "A" and assimilate into the NBA sub-culture.
for SC its learn korean and move to South Korea like grrrr did and assimilate into the SC competitive league sub-culture.
i never heard grrr whine to Blizzard... of course, back then... no one was listening.
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On August 27 2016 07:18 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2016 07:17 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 27 2016 07:11 Soularion wrote:On August 27 2016 07:09 scbwsc2 wrote:
I understand that the WCS system is indeed good for the foreign community, and said community has produced some surprisingly entertaining games. But attitudes like those of uThermal make me laugh. Maybe you're marginally better on stage because you don't have as much jitters playing under pressure, but don't even pretend that you're objectively better at the game, mechanically or strategically.
For me, this last WCS championship was irrefutable evidence of how WCS region lock has boosted foreign pros' egos and wallets, and not much else. TRUE, someone who hasn't touched the Ro8 in SSL and GSL in eons, just strolled through Snute, Harstem, Welmu, Heromarine, and Polt, and given the opportunity, he probably would've done the same to every other competitor there, considering how comfortably he won every match. I don't know how any reasonable person could look at that tournament, look at what happens when a single Korea-trained Korean is let loose on the foreign scene, and agree with uThermal's comments. But the only top foreigner he played was Snute, who had lost in the very same matchup to Guru of all people the tournament before. If you look at HomeStory Cup, you get a far less rosy picture of TRUE's success. If you look at online competitions, you get a far less rosy picture of TRUE's success. Was he the best player at Montreal? Probably, and definitely arguably, but there's no evidence to point to him being the best in the west right now, let alone by the margin you claim. Oh please. Stick Snute or ANY top foreigner into a Korean tournament and we can crash reddit if they make it out of the first round. But when we see GSL or SSL Koreans stop into a Dreamhack they win the entire tournament. This isn't a coincidence when it happens so frequently. Is True as good as he looked at Montreal? Probably not. Is True a really good indicator of how wide the skill divide is between WCS and WCS Korea still? Absolutely. Region locking isn't narrowing that divide. True just gave us a big clue to that and Blizzcon is going to settle that argument. Then let us watch with bated breath for Blizzcon to find out
The only way we find out anything substantial at Blizzcon is if a non-Korean makes a deep run (can't honestly expect multiple to make that happen). If every foreigner goes out in the first round people will just go "Eh business as usual". Even if it was close.
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United States97274 Posts
it's like region lock was the elephant in the room part 2 D: D: D:
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I've never thought 1 tournament would decide everything and I never will.
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On August 27 2016 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
I've never thought 1 tournament would decide everything and I never will.
Well thanks to our current system we don't have any other opportunities to really test anything.
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On August 27 2016 07:28 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2016 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
I've never thought 1 tournament would decide everything and I never will. Well thanks to our current system we don't have any other opportunities to really test anything.
We got SHOUTcraft and that's about it. All we can do at this point is #PraiseTheBiscuit and hope for better luck next year.
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Cant agree on the "we got so much better" train.
The only thing that got better is the ego and wallet. The foreign level korean Stardust, who won WCS EU and Dreamhacks, the True coming over and slithing the biggest western tournament, the players who all "improved".
All what I see is a lower skill, in Korea thanks to the low amount of events and the mass retirements, outside thanks to a inbreed system where you never improve your skill thanks to nobody there to skillcheck you, the viewernumbers are terrible (WCS Season 3 2015 finals, 75k viewers, Dreamhack Montreal? What, 50k? 45k?) the fans split over this and we are looking in a future where neither ProLeague, GSL or SSL are save for 2017 and I guess one of the 3 things gets cut.
The best system was still 2014, it wasnt just 6 pros in EU, it was MC, Yoda, First, Hyun (living in Germany, playing WCS Amerika), ForGG, Jjakji, Stardust, Golden, Patience and MMA. There was only as single korean in WCS EU, who didnt live here, it was San. Else all played on EU server with EU conditions and in EU teamhouses. While they still have been crushing souls every weekend and WCS Season, foreigners actually had the chance to become better, by hitting better players on a daily base. Now they just grind each other out, learning the details about some playstyles, people and more, but never find guys who are just straight out better, who make you play better or die trying. 2014 was the best system, if Blizzard had just changed WCS in a way, that the players in WCS couldnt pull the Taeja, Pigbaby or San. Sending the people living here home was the worst for the scene. These players have not just been straight out good, they not just improved the skill of the EU server, they also connected to the fans much more then either faceless foreigners nor far far away koreans did. They became champions but didnt jump in a plane and then go back home, they stayed here, connected to the fans. We will never have 2014 back, the year where Top Stacraft came to the fans. Now we have the year 2016, medicore Starcraft took over, medicore viewer numbers followed.
Yes it was the same with 2015 and I was very vocal against 2015, because it was the worst format for me. You kicked these 10 guys out of EU, to have faceless less competitive WCS Events where still a small amount of koreans kicked allot (but not all) asses and the weekenders still won by koreans who then had to go home, because fuck you, EU is no place for you!". At least we could watch good starcraft in matching timezones or even live. Now 2016 even that has been taken away + the group stages of the WCS Events, which have been the best Starcraft under the week. What content do we know have under the week? Korean starcraft is to early for workers and students, endless series of qualifiers for events, which are either meaningless (Dreamhack), for a joke event (WCS copa international) or for tournament with WCS standing invites and mass amount of players from all arround the world who dont get visas.
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In the end its all about the money. Ofc uthermal is happy with the changes. In the world there is nothing more important nowadays. I hate when people say thanks to the fans etc because they just dont care in reality. Fuck the system.
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On August 27 2016 07:15 uThermal wrote:
Alright, I usually don't argue about topics like this but I just wanted to clarify some stuff :
1. I can't imagine why any 'foreigner' would lie just to try and keep the current WCS system for longer. As you can probably imagine no one would become a sc2 progamer to make the big money. If my opinion about the current WCS doesn't match with yours, it doesn't mean im not being honest.
2. Even though Koreans are clearly better players, it does NOT mean foreigners are just lazily playing starcraft 2 once a week just coming in for the quick wcs welfare fame and cash grab. I did not quit my studies 3 years ago while I wasn't even that good ( a huge risk ) to play hearthstone and overwatch the entire day, most of us actually do try hard to become the best. Many people don't understand you can't just randomly go to Korea and practice with the best all day, no matter how much of a wonder story it sounds like. Many people can't afford to do that, probably not be able to get in a good teamhouse, while the ladder is not even that strong because of proleague (it really wasn't that challenging while I was playing from Shanghai) aswell as being 5 million miles from your home, family and friends. Yep, as much as you guys like to believe that Koreans are better than non-Koreans PURELY based off of hard work, its simply not true as they have had a large advantage ever since the start of sc2, and even early broodwar, about 15 years before now.
3. Most foreigners understand the points about foreigners and koreans and agree with them atleast a little bit ( we know winning a dreamhack open now means less than winning a dreamhack open in 2014 or 2015 ). No one here is pretending we have suddenly become literal gods and that is why we win championships. All the top players in Foreignland are still working hard and trying to win bigger championships with good koreans one day, anyone who dreams about winning stuff in starcraft2 and is still playing as a progamer, would clearly rather have a top finish at blizzcon than winning a dreamhack open. Most of us are just sad with the disrespect we players ( and community figures ) get from the community, we're really not as stupid and ignorant as some of you guys seem to think.
Clarifications :
1. My earlier comment about us being better players now, is not because of practicing against worse players rather than better players, but because there is much more motivation to practice now due to more opportunities, theres a big difference!
2. I didn't mean that dreamhacks/IEMs etc. are harder now than before, it was purely about the WCS circuit championships.
- people just decide to ignore it and keep on shitting on everything which is not korean-biased? To be honest I am probably moving away from reddit/TL after the last WCS tournament where True won because even for me things are becoming too toxic (and trust me, I don't give a single f* about stuff on the internet). As stuchiu said above, single tournaments don't mean anything. Only after a couple of tournaments we can start to discuss patterns and consistent results. True winning last tournament doesn't mean everyone else in foreignerland is shit. It also doesn't mean he is going to dominate everything from now on. If foreigners will do badly at Blizzcon it's not going to mean anything either, it's only 1 tournament.
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On August 27 2016 07:31 Clonester wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Cant agree on the "we got so much better" train.
The only thing that got better is the ego and wallet. The foreign level korean Stardust, who won WCS EU and Dreamhacks, the True coming over and slithing the biggest western tournament, the players who all "improved".
All what I see is a lower skill, in Korea thanks to the low amount of events and the mass retirements, outside thanks to a inbreed system where you never improve your skill thanks to nobody there to skillcheck you, the viewernumbers are terrible (WCS Season 3 2015 finals, 75k viewers, Dreamhack Montreal? What, 50k? 45k?) the fans split over this and we are looking in a future where neither ProLeague, GSL or SSL are save for 2017 and I guess one of the 3 things gets cut.
The best system was still 2014, it wasnt just 6 pros in EU, it was MC, Yoda, First, Hyun (living in Germany, playing WCS Amerika), ForGG, Jjakji, Stardust, Golden, Patience and MMA. There was only as single korean in WCS EU, who didnt live here, it was San. Else all played on EU server with EU conditions and in EU teamhouses. While they still have been crushing souls every weekend and WCS Season, foreigners actually had the chance to become better, by hitting better players on a daily base. Now they just grind each other out, learning the details about some playstyles, people and more, but never find guys who are just straight out better, who make you play better or die trying. 2014 was the best system, if Blizzard had just changed WCS in a way, that the players in WCS couldnt pull the Taeja, Pigbaby or San. Sending the people living here home was the worst for the scene. These players have not just been straight out good, they not just improved the skill of the EU server, they also connected to the fans much more then either faceless foreigners nor far far away koreans did. They became champions but didnt jump in a plane and then go back home, they stayed here, connected to the fans. We will never have 2014 back, the year where Top Stacraft came to the fans. Now we have the year 2016, medicore Starcraft took over, medicore viewer numbers followed.
Yes it was the same with 2015 and I was very vocal against 2015, because it was the worst format for me. You kicked these 10 guys out of EU, to have faceless less competitive WCS Events where still a small amount of koreans kicked allot (but not all) asses and the weekenders still won by koreans who then had to go home, because fuck you, EU is no place for you!". At least we could watch good starcraft in matching timezones or even live. Now 2016 even that has been taken away + the group stages of the WCS Events, which have been the best Starcraft under the week. What content do we know have under the week? Korean starcraft is to early for workers and students, endless series of qualifiers for events, which are either meaningless (Dreamhack), for a joke event (WCS copa international) or for tournament with WCS standing invites and mass amount of players from all arround the world who dont get visas.
Yeah, Premier League where you could watch some decent Starcraft on week days in the evening was great. Removing that and replacing it with single elimination weekenders was one of the saddest things about the new WCS system. Such a shame.
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I think we have to face the reality that while yes foreigners DO work hard to in their job as SC2 player, foreigners on average will NEVER become as good as the Koreans.
Foreigners had the best opportunity when SC2 was the IT Esport couple years ago but now SC2 is like the 10th esport after DotA2, LoL, CS:GO, Hearthstone, Overwatch, Call of Duty, SMITE, Smash, Street Fighter.
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United States33075 Posts
On August 27 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
a non-Korean player will have to do what every Basketball player does who wants to become the best in the world.
for b-ball its learn english and move to the U. S. of by God "A" and assimilate into the NBA sub-culture.
for SC its learn korean and move to South Korea like grrrr did and assimilate into the SC competitive league sub-culture.
i never heard grrr whine to Blizzard... of course, back then... no one was listening.
Traditional sports is a bad comparison for the point you're trying to make. Athletes are often nurtured and incubated in healthy local scenes, and the most talented ones may decide to move to a bigger league. Also, many national associations limit the # of foreign players in the league.
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On August 27 2016 07:15 uThermal wrote:
Alright, I usually don't argue about topics like this but I just wanted to clarify some stuff :
1. I can't imagine why any 'foreigner' would lie just to try and keep the current WCS system for longer. As you can probably imagine no one would become a sc2 progamer to make the big money. If my opinion about the current WCS doesn't match with yours, it doesn't mean im not being honest.
2. Even though Koreans are clearly better players, it does NOT mean foreigners are just lazily playing starcraft 2 once a week just coming in for the quick wcs welfare fame and cash grab. I did not quit my studies 3 years ago while I wasn't even that good ( a huge risk ) to play hearthstone and overwatch the entire day, most of us actually do try hard to become the best. Many people don't understand you can't just randomly go to Korea and practice with the best all day, no matter how much of a wonder story it sounds like. Many people can't afford to do that, probably not be able to get in a good teamhouse, while the ladder is not even that strong because of proleague (it really wasn't that challenging while I was playing from Shanghai) aswell as being 5 million miles from your home, family and friends. Yep, as much as you guys like to believe that Koreans are better than non-Koreans PURELY based off of hard work, its simply not true as they have had a large advantage ever since the start of sc2, and even early broodwar, about 15 years before now.
3. Most foreigners understand the points about foreigners and koreans and agree with them atleast a little bit ( we know winning a dreamhack open now means less than winning a dreamhack open in 2014 or 2015 ). No one here is pretending we have suddenly become literal gods and that is why we win championships. All the top players in Foreignland are still working hard and trying to win bigger championships with good koreans one day, anyone who dreams about winning stuff in starcraft2 and is still playing as a progamer, would clearly rather have a top finish at blizzcon than winning a dreamhack open. Most of us are just sad with the disrespect we players ( and community figures ) get from the community, we're really not as stupid and ignorant as some of you guys seem to think.
Clarifications :
1. My earlier comment about us being better players now, is not because of practicing against worse players rather than better players, but because there is much more motivation to practice now due to more opportunities, theres a big difference!
2. I didn't mean that dreamhacks/IEMs etc. are harder now than before, it was purely about the WCS circuit championships.
Please stop, it's okay to like money. Just keep the bullshit to yourself.
1. You would lie and do even more, there are certain pro's who whine about balance even when their obviously favored in the meta or the current pattch, after all its about your own living and money is a must have for your own future.
Harstem was the only guy who had some balls to say the truth.
2. No one is saying that you guys are lazy, it's just unfair that Koreans work alot more and get a lot less money then you guys, who can afford to have a life outside of sc2.
You guys already know that you can't catch up to the top Koreans , stop pretending you are even trying because we both know that would be a waste of your own time.
3. Meh it's mostly the balance and the maps, the only notable guys who show some improvements are Neeb and Nerchio, the rest are mostly one trick pony, god bless Adepts and Liberator.
Conclusion:
You guys are better players because you grind more abusing certain units and tactics in a close system to get alot more money while preteding that the foreigners are catching up to the Koreans.
User was warned for this post
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On August 27 2016 07:34 Nerchio wrote:
If foreigners will do badly at Blizzcon it's not going to mean anything either, it's only 1 tournament.
And it's the only one. And that's my main problem and my personal elephant in the room. Improve all you want, as a viewer I can only watch you improve locally for 99% of the year. Blizzcon is the only time I can see if you improved globally.
That's pathetic and it really upsets me. But I still watch every WCS event I can and cheer on foreign players, because I'd rather have something little than nothing at all.
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The amount of hate towards "foreigner" players in such thread is astonishing to me...
I enjoy stories and personalities in current WCS system 100% more than faceless Koreans winning random tournament of 2014/2015.
Everyone has their preferences and debates such as this is 100% pointless IMHO. It's a pitchfork fight. Lets just enjoy new Blizzcon, the game is as enjoyable as ever if not more, anyone who claims otherwise most probably either should look for another hobby or will find a reason to complain in any system.
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Hi
first thanks for the interview
I write here just to express my point of view, not to reply or start a discussion (and apologies if my point doesn't come across very well, english is not my first language).
The main thing I want to say is to the "foreigner pros" (it's kind of a general category  but I have the chance, since I see Nerchio uThermal, Drogo are posting here and maybe others are reading): keep it up, from a viewer perspective, this year of events has been and still is awesome!
I used to watch the main events (DH, IEM, etc.) and usually I had my favorite korean to cheer for (MC since I play toss) but I almost never got to know any foreigner pros, since all of them got eliminated very early (as you say in the interview). The best moments in these tournaments for me were when one of the european / american players could get some good results and you started to see him/her as the foreign-hope (I'm thinking Naniwa, Stephano, Scarlett at some point): most of the time the hope was crushed veeeery soon, as even for these stars reaching the RO4 / semifinals was most they could do.
This means that I never got to be interested in minor tournaments (here I don't know most of the naming think about all the BaseTradeTV coverage of online cups, minor tournaments, etc.).
Now *for me* this year this has changed quite a lot:
- in major tournament I LOVE to see european players (and NA of course) being able to compete for the top spot. I don't care if the level of play is some % lower (if it really is) than 1-2 years ago, for me a tournament where someone like uThermal / Nerchio WINS it's much much more exciting and something I will remember. Why? Because I can relate much more with the players, I can listen to the interview and I see guys (and girls) which come from an environment (Europe for instance) that I know very well. When uThermal says they all sacrificed a lot (studies, time etc.) and they all try super hard and train a lot to become pros, I feel much more close to understand this and to cheer for them, than when I listen to TY/Zest/Dark or any of the Kespa Pros. Really guys keep going and congrats for the results you got so far! You showed AMAZING games and a LOT of people enjoyed watching you play!
On this forum there is a very small group of people veeeery vocal about everything in an extremely negative way: I don't know if the rest of the community is close to their position (I can't know), but I do know that a lot of viewers DO enjoy the show you are putting up and the games you are playing.
- during a casual week, I'm much much much more inclined to watch online tournaments or qualification brackets, or whatever ZG and Rifkin are casting, because almost every time I open TL there is some stream going on with the TOP players of this year circuit playing. Today it was Polt vs Raynor or Harstem, an other day it may be Nerchio vs Snute, or Byun (GSL play btw) vs someone else... maybe it's just my perception which is somehow skewed or wrong, but I LOVE that I can get to know these players through these weekly casts, and then I also see them compete for the top spots ad DH or in WCS.
- On the same line, I think it's amazing that in this forum there is some participation of top pro players (foreigner). How awesome is it when Harstem helps you in the Protoss Strategy thread? Or when you read uThermal interview and then he answers you in the same thread :D
Do you think it will EVER happen with TY/Zest/KTplayers? No it won't (I think).
This (for me) makes the players much more relatable, and again when I then see them in the DH/WCS finals I know I will cheer for them.
I am sorry if these thoughts are a bit disorganized and the main message doesn't come across very well, it was kind of a stream of thoughts from reading the thread
The TL;DR for the foreign pros that may be reading is: awesome job, you made my personal SC2 experience much more enjoyable this year and I'm super happy all the hard work one has to put in to become professional in this game is paying off in terms of money/visibility/results/glory ()
I can't way for Blizzcon I and do really hope that some of you will make it to the last rounds, why not to the final, to challenge the Koreans!
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