EPTOn July 30 2016 09:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think Ultras are fun
I like to see Terran's suffering
I think Ultras are fun
I like to see Terran's suffering
That's some brutal honesty.
I like it.
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
That's some brutal honesty. I like it. | ||
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hitokoroshi
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And like we’ve discussed in the past couple weeks, we believe the current issues we are looking at such as the Ultralisk, Adept, Liberator, or Warp Prism are all issues within the first category. The problem with that is the following.. Ultralisks OP-ness is the 8 armor that's completely passive, the only micro you could argue is Queen healing. Liberator siege is a toggled mode state, so while not completely passive it creates a very safe area for terran aggrresion and defense and may be too strong for cost in its zoning ability. Adepts are strong but not necessarily in a bad way, they force responses and both the adept and shade are micro-able (especially with prism) which adds to its strength. Whereas MSC, is strong in the bad way - its existence justifies the current nerfed state of gateway units, warp gate, and the technical compositions that are required of protoss. B/c really from a design POV Adept should probably have slightly further range (5) and deal +Bio damage instead of +Light. Warp Prism is strong because decent units (HT, Immortal, Disruptor, Adept, DT) utilized with it are strong. I could see a pickup range nerf from 6 to 5 here though. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16061 Posts
On July 30 2016 10:12 hitokoroshi wrote: Ultralisks OP-ness is the 8 armor that's completely passive, the only micro you could argue is Queen healing. does it really matter if ultralisks don't require much micro when they are so fun to watch and play in their current state? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
Really frustrating to read an update that has no patch changes going to live. Blizzard lost their way a long time ago with SC2 - they also don't understand the definition of what "Iteration" is. Funny enough with how Jeff Kaplan is handling Overwatch game balance/design and doing changes, i think he'd be better off heading the SC2 division as well. We won't get changes at all to SC2 with the current devs on this game. That is a fact. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Where Seeker Missiles couldn't be outhealed by lower energy skills. And where Reapers would be a choice early game and be used in he lategame. Just imagine a world where Ms aren't the only truth. (especially since we wouldn't have needed replacements in the Terran arsenal for units that already exist) | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On July 30 2016 09:03 Charoisaur wrote: I can't believe DK can say with a straight face that ultralisks make for fun games who can seriously think this hive-turtle meta is fun? At next he wants to tell me mass tempests is fun. Just surprised that he didn't enjoy BL/Infestor as much.. Given how long blord/infestor lasted he probably did enjoy it. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
sometimes I wonder if DK is the ONLY person on the sc2 balance team, so whenever he has "discussions" about balance, he's really just talking to himself. | ||
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ETisME
12700 Posts
I think the game doesn't need that many patches but it will be good to have major changes every few years so that the game can keep making big progress instead of being stucked at doing nothing and limited to same early and late game composition | ||
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SCHWARZENEGGER
206 Posts
On July 30 2016 08:37 Solar424 wrote: Zerg isn't "much more popular" than the other races, it's second behind Terran. Terran players also tend to whine much more than others, just look in any of these community feedback update threads. ofc they're whine more because terran isn't fun to play, especially late game, and highest multitasking requirement of the races, only innovation and maru can stay on top consistently among all of them, and those stats means nothing because average level of players is very low, most of those guys from bronze-gold and they're play terran just because their first experience in sc2 most likely was free WoL single player campaign. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16061 Posts
On July 30 2016 08:37 Solar424 wrote: Zerg isn't "much more popular" than the other races, it's second behind Terran. Terran players also tend to whine much more than others, just look in any of these community feedback update threads. that wasn't always the case, when mech was strong or when the bio mine train became popular zerg complained the most by far. It depends on the meta which race is complaining the most. | ||
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Executer08
Germany163 Posts
On July 30 2016 03:11 CTBM wrote: Foreign Zergs are currently stronger than Korean zergs atm i'm not sure i see your point. my point is that only 2 players at a foreign tournament being terran isnt thaaat special, maybe a little extreme, but if you would balance terran around their numbers at foreign tournaments they would be the only race left in the korean leagues. On July 30 2016 05:16 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote: uthermal won with 2 factory tanks because snute was sitting on roach ravager for too long, tankivaks isn't the reason. no he lost because he took bad fights. you cant transition earlier or you dont even hold the first push. also i was only referring to that game because it is the only "real" tvz we saw at iem up to that point. mostly wanted to point out that pretty much all the terran games at iem are absolutely irrelevant to this balance post | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
There are huge number of design issues with the game but they will never try to fix them since that would require actual effort. Basically Blizzard do not care about SC2. They just allocate 30 minutes a week for David Kim to distract the community with updates that says nothing while they work on some idiotic free to play mobile game. | ||
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Coffeeling
Finland250 Posts
Our stance on this definitely used to lean towards almost never patching the game back in wings So this is why there was a Terran nerf patch after every tournament where they figured out something new until it was MMM. Ultralisk, Adept, Liberator, or Warp Prism are all issues within the first category. Adepts, if properly made, would be an issue in the first category. They are not. They're a unit that gets a free option that forces two commitments out of the defender for no cost, that can disengage at will, and do about as much damage as a stimmed Marine or a Crackling to all relevant T/Z targets that are not Queens. They suck. If there was a more normal tension and tradeoff to the unit, it'd be an issue of the first category. Most of Toss design sucks in that way. Recall is the same. They can go, engage in deep, bam, they're out. Overcharge, press button push deflected. Press lamefield, engagement became a good one (this is an exaggeration obv., but the effect can readily be seen in tighter spaces. You can dare a tankline or a ravager bombardment or a disruptor shot. You can't dare a lamefield). Opponent not at home? Yay I can dump 6 gates of production in his face. The whole faction's built to say fuck you to basic logistics that are fundamental to making the game work and control engagements with gimmicks instead of the threat of damage and putting units physically in the way. It's why TvT, TvZ and to an extent ZvZ are consistently more enjoyable to watch than P MUs: T and Z obey basic logistics, even if the balance and unit diversity isn't always that hot. A Prism with no warp-in would be an issue of the first category. I'm not sure warp-in is an issue of the first category. Ultralisks seem borderline as well. | ||
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Ez7
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GUNZx5
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Mobile08
United States12 Posts
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Nazara
United Kingdom235 Posts
On July 30 2016 17:09 Ez7 wrote: You would need Scourge for thatI wanna be able too use Lurkers in ZvT!!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN! | ||
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gab12
Poland147 Posts
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