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Honestly I always thought tying WCS to the ladder was a bad idea just because of this. This sort of stuff always happened when ladders were made for qualifying, let alone just open battlenet. (see TSL2 on ICcup)
The problem is that anything at all can look suspicious but it doesn't mean anything. If you watch any streamer, they will sometimes just leave games for a variety of reasons. "I beat this guy way too much and I don't want to play him again." "This guy has beat me way to much and I don't want to play him again." "I am totally sick of this matchup I don't want to play it again." "I got this map 10X in a row I don't want to play it again."
I honestly do not believe that any real match trading went on. People get salty at each other in games because they loose, and complain to Blizzard about things. In this age of email and texts and skype conversations are you REALLY going to wintrade with someone who could just turn around and publish your conversations? This is kinna silly to just come out and say with no evidence.
I back Major 100% and am looking forward to seeing what this is actually all about.
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On April 10 2016 00:18 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 00:16 WrathSCII wrote:
If Blizzard announced he match fixed, then they must have some solid proof. Anyway, lets speculate who will be next. "If our Holy Guide said that this man should be put to death, then he must have a good reason. Let's do this."
I don't think a major corporation would just be like "hm... he left a game after 2 minutes... MATCH FIX, BAN HURR DURR".
It is true that it is frustrating that we did not get any details on whats going on. But I also believe they have some kind of solid proof. Why singling out major?
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Maybe blizzard tries to open up some space for a new player talent pool. in a pretty hardcore way.
if major's statement was true, I'd be really upset as well!
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It is pretty ridiculous that you can forfeit games at a tournament without being DQ'd, but when playing a ladder competition, where it's more likely that you'll forfeit some games (playing many more games of much less importance), you automatically get DQ'd if you forfeit.
I've posted this in like 3 different threads and it never gets any attention, but the fact is that this whole ladder qualifier format is complete shit and doesn't accomplish anything. I'm not sure what the architects of this format were trying to do (create better practice environment? improve the ladder? just give some variety in ways to qualify?) but they've added absolutely no value. In fact that's all they've done is introduce a very problematic method of qualifying. It is a similar situation to tournament formats that can result in meaningless games being played. It's an inferior format that simply shouldn't be used.
My suggestion for the format, which avoids a lot of the issues we've seen in the first two seasons and adds value in ways that the current format doesn't, can be seen here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/505248-kim-phan-we-are-trying-to-make-sure-we-are-doing-whats-best-for-starcraft?page=7#139 It'd make the ladders consistently good places to compete and it'd be much more difficult to manipulate.
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Nony they were trying to make a cheap way to have qualifiers, and make ladder relevant at the same time. Good post as always 
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This is pretty absurd. Blizzards guilty till proven innocent technique here is pretty bad. Each DQ is a paycheck gone bye for these players. They should have strong evidence before this occurs.
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There can be many reasons why someone would leave games instantly like lag, telephone, remembering you have something to do or like in this case you're just not feeling good.
Banning someone just because he left games early seems ridicolous.
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On April 10 2016 00:19 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 00:16 WrathSCII wrote:
If Blizzard announced he match fixed, then they must have some solid proof. Anyway, lets speculate who will be next. so next time u get accused of murder they must have solid proof so lext move on to next case? yes thats how it should work.
I understand your frustration... No, in fact, I do not. I was never accused of something like this in my life so I don't know how it feels. All I can say is try to think from their perspective and keep trying to get info from them on why this happened. That is all I can say.
Good luck.
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guys. im so sad that i dont even have a way to defend myself... take in note i was notified by a friend that saw the message on an spanish publication. extremly dissapointed be in this position been playing 5years sc2 and never been called a matchfixer. extremly sad especially cause i had anything to gain from this nothing
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apparently he was banned because blizzard don't like and want to much terran-.- as always... very sad because he is a good terran which is indeed rare in non-korea-.-
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On April 09 2016 23:39 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 23:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:
OK... Can we get any piece of evidence ? The lack of transparency is really disturbing... I'd like to point out that we're not owed any piece of evidence, the process is between Blizzard/tournament organizers/players. We, the forum pleb, are not supposed to now every detail, a forum thread is not a trial. That said, I think should be given at least the proof that these cases are conducted in total fairness and respect to the players and their rights and that we can trust the final decision, whatever it happens to be.
well said
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On April 10 2016 00:24 NonY wrote:It is pretty ridiculous that you can forfeit games at a tournament without being DQ'd, but when playing a ladder competition, where it's more likely that you'll forfeit some games (playing many more games of much less importance), you automatically get DQ'd if you forfeit. I've posted this in like 3 different threads and it never gets any attention, but the fact is that this whole ladder qualifier format is complete shit and doesn't accomplish anything. I'm not sure what the architects of this format were trying to do (create better practice environment? improve the ladder? just give some variety in ways to qualify?) but they've added absolutely no value. In fact that's all they've done is introduce a very problematic method of qualifying. It is a similar situation to tournament formats that can result in meaningless games being played. It's an inferior format that simply shouldn't be used. My suggestion for the format, which avoids a lot of the issues we've seen in the first two seasons and adds value in ways that the current format doesn't, can be seen here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/505248-kim-phan-we-are-trying-to-make-sure-we-are-doing-whats-best-for-starcraft?page=7#139 It'd make the ladders consistently good places to compete and it'd be much more difficult to manipulate.
Good suggestion in the other thread. This way if you are away for 1-2 weeks you can still be in it by performing well in the rest of the time and there is a constant incentive to play.
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This just wont stop.
Not regretting I've stopped playing and don't watch SC2 every single day anymore.
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How fun, the guy who made fun of Mlord got himself kicked out.
Karma is a bitch, deserved.
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I was watching this ladder competition closely. I do believe Major in what he is saying and I don't think there was intentional foul play on his part. Having said that, he did "interfere" with the competition by taking points from some players and later giving some to others for "free" about 1-2 hours before lockdown. I think Major and Naniva as ineligible players should have stayed out of this, knowing their actions have positive or detrimental impact on some players results - its a matter of good manners to say the least. However there was nothing in the rules against it and the organization of the competition is not without fault here.
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On April 10 2016 00:39 shid0x wrote:
How fun, the guy who made fun of Mlord got himself kicked out.
Karma is a bitch, deserved.
when did i made fun of marinelord? i tried to help him if anything lol get ur fact rights before accusing people.
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Poor MajOr. I tend to trust his word in this story he seems genuinely upset... I hope Blizzard gives solid evidence backing up what they're doing.
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How can Major be DQ-d from Copa America, which has nothing to do with the Tours WCS or European ladder points?
They could argue, that if he felt sick and bad, he should not have started the games at all.
But they MUST COMMUNICATE AND DISCUSS IT WITH MAJOR!!!! No communication in these cases is a sign of an absolute amateurship!
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On April 10 2016 00:40 Kafka777 wrote:
I was watching this ladder competition closely. I do believe Major in what he is saying and I don't think there was intentional foul play on his part. Having said that, he did "interfere" with the competition by taking points from some players and later giving some to others for "free" about 1-2 hours before lockdown. I think Major and Naniva as ineligible players should have stayed out of this, knowing their actions have positive or detrimental impact on some players results - its a matter of good manners to say the least. However there was nothing in the rules against it and the organization of the competition is not without fault here.
i was just looking for practice. but yes my leave againts zanster 4hour before the ladderlock was probably the biggest one i can think but still is 4hours. before the lock.. 4hours is alot of time to win / lose alot of games and i did not do in maliciously i was legit in need of going to bathroom.
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