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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
February 23 2016 17:30 GMT
#81
On February 24 2016 02:24 `sawyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2016 02:21 oGoZenob wrote:
I dont get the hate. You know that it's posible to have a good show even when not at the very best level ? i mean, i'll be super excited to see maru vs life, and i'm also super excited about drogo vs dayshi. I just love this game, not only players that wins GSLs.
I mean, the more exciting game i saw this past month is a RO128 qualifier game between Bly and a mid-gm french guy named Masterbonsai


Maybe you should try finding some silver league replays for download. I'm sure you would have a blast watching those

do you absolutely have to be a dick ?
I like starcraft
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
February 23 2016 18:02 GMT
#82
Who is part of the IEM Casting crew Nowadays? Still Kaelaris and Todd?
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
February 23 2016 18:06 GMT
#83
On February 24 2016 00:28 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Is this the tournament that will have the winner get roflstomped by a Korean in a showmatch afterwards?

Oh lord this is the tournament where top finishers will get to play against Koreans in a showmatch.

I am not going to bash this WCS system, because I think it will do more good than harm.

However, this showmatch is a horrible horrible idea. It will just reinforce the fact that Koreans are still leagues ahead of the pack.

I don't mind watching slightly lesser grade games being played, but I don't think it is necessary to cater to the hardcore elitist fans that want to watch the best participate also with this inane showmatch.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
February 23 2016 18:16 GMT
#84
On February 24 2016 03:06 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2016 00:28 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Is this the tournament that will have the winner get roflstomped by a Korean in a showmatch afterwards?

Oh lord this is the tournament where top finishers will get to play against Koreans in a showmatch.

I am not going to bash this WCS system, because I think it will do more good than harm.

However, this showmatch is a horrible horrible idea. It will just reinforce the fact that Koreans are still leagues ahead of the pack.

I don't mind watching slightly lesser grade games being played, but I don't think it is necessary to cater to the hardcore elitist fans that want to watch the best participate also with this inane showmatch.


What showmatch? Blizzcon?
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 23 2016 18:18 GMT
#85
Looking forward to this tournament a lot!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
February 23 2016 18:19 GMT
#86
Ya'll can't appreciate high level production and the highest level non-Korean players playing in a tournament. Okay.

How about the fact that most of the tournament takes place on Weds + Thurs. Now that's the ridiculous part.
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 18:32:22
February 23 2016 18:30 GMT
#87
On February 24 2016 03:16 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2016 03:06 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On February 24 2016 00:28 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Is this the tournament that will have the winner get roflstomped by a Korean in a showmatch afterwards?

Oh lord this is the tournament where top finishers will get to play against Koreans in a showmatch.

I am not going to bash this WCS system, because I think it will do more good than harm.

However, this showmatch is a horrible horrible idea. It will just reinforce the fact that Koreans are still leagues ahead of the pack.

I don't mind watching slightly lesser grade games being played, but I don't think it is necessary to cater to the hardcore elitist fans that want to watch the best participate also with this inane showmatch.


What showmatch? Blizzcon?

Actually I was talking about the WCS circuit in Shanghai

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/503540-wcs-circuit-shanghai-announced

This is not the same.

This new WCS system is a bit confusing
Hotshot
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada184 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 18:35:49
February 23 2016 18:33 GMT
#88
Top 16 gets $6000.. So really their first Bo5 set is worth a nice $6000 vs going home with $0.
ClaudeSc2
Profile Joined May 2014
United States73 Posts
February 23 2016 19:04 GMT
#89
I'm hoping for a #KvK final.
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
February 23 2016 19:23 GMT
#90
On February 24 2016 03:33 Hotshot wrote:
Top 16 gets $6000.. So really their first Bo5 set is worth a nice $6000 vs going home with $0.

brutal
I like starcraft
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17678 Posts
February 23 2016 19:24 GMT
#91
Super important (for foreigners) tournament, and they do all 32 players as single elim? lol shit, at least it's bo5 I guess
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Koromon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States304 Posts
February 23 2016 19:26 GMT
#92
Tough 1st round draw for Happy, but I'm hoping for the best!
Curufinwe Feanor
Profile Joined August 2012
Brazil91 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 19:41:03
February 23 2016 19:40 GMT
#93
So hyped about this!!!!

Kelazhur already got this tourney!


Just wish it had a lower bracket =/
Aure Entüluva
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
February 23 2016 19:56 GMT
#94
On February 24 2016 02:21 oGoZenob wrote:
I dont get the hate. You know that it's posible to have a good show even when not at the very best level ? i mean, i'll be super excited to see maru vs life, and i'm also super excited about drogo vs dayshi. I just love this game, not only players that wins GSLs.
I mean, the more exciting game i saw this past month is a RO128 qualifier game between Bly and a mid-gm french guy named Masterbonsai

This game was amazing.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Kaeque
Profile Joined January 2016
22 Posts
February 23 2016 20:06 GMT
#95
Why are people whining so much? I don't see the problem here.
I get that it's a bit rough that it is single elimination, however, it is also BO5 from the start, right?
Can someone explain the massive amounts of salt to me?
/keɪk/
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
February 23 2016 20:22 GMT
#96
On February 24 2016 05:06 Kaeque wrote:
Why are people whining so much? I don't see the problem here.
I get that it's a bit rough that it is single elimination, however, it is also BO5 from the start, right?
Can someone explain the massive amounts of salt to me?


Some people would prefer Koreans and the highest level of gameplay over foreigners.
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
February 23 2016 20:41 GMT
#97
On February 24 2016 05:06 Kaeque wrote:
Why are people whining so much? I don't see the problem here.
I get that it's a bit rough that it is single elimination, however, it is also BO5 from the start, right?
Can someone explain the massive amounts of salt to me?

If you're talking about tournament format, it's because lack of seeding causes good players face each other in very early stages.

If you're talking about WCS system, I'm out.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
February 23 2016 20:54 GMT
#98
Crossing fingers for a good show, it's the future of foreign sc2 which is at stakes.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
February 23 2016 20:57 GMT
#99
On February 24 2016 04:56 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2016 02:21 oGoZenob wrote:
I dont get the hate. You know that it's posible to have a good show even when not at the very best level ? i mean, i'll be super excited to see maru vs life, and i'm also super excited about drogo vs dayshi. I just love this game, not only players that wins GSLs.
I mean, the more exciting game i saw this past month is a RO128 qualifier game between Bly and a mid-gm french guy named Masterbonsai

This game was amazing.

What happened there? VOD? :D
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 23 2016 22:12 GMT
#100
On February 24 2016 01:45 alukarD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2016 01:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On February 24 2016 00:36 alukarD wrote:
SC2 needed a drastic change. Blizzard made drastic changes. For me, it makes sense.

We don't get to see play the best against the best in the world at every tournament, actually, its more occasionally, happening for some sports once a year (say Champions league), or even once every four years (say World Cup). I never see my soccer team (Mexico) play against the best of the world (for example, Germany or Spain), but when I do, I get really excited.

Same here. When the best foreigners clash against the best Koreans at some tournaments a year, that is going to be super hype, with more story-lines and more players people can cheer for.

Try to be supportive. So far so good.

SC2 is not a team game. Better comparison would be with tennis, and WCS being the equivalent of ATP. And oh, guess what? ATP doesn't lock out certain players from participating in lower-tier tournaments for the sake of "developing the local scene", though I admit it would be pretty fun to see the Dubai Tennis Championships being reserved to tennismen from the Arabic peninsula. I'm sure local tennismen would love to share a $2,000,000 prizepool.

Ok you're right its not a team game and I don't know how tennis works, tournaments-wise.

This system sure it doesn't benefit Koreans, but it does benefit a ton more of people. Many fans will go away with system, but I believe way more fans will come to the scene having locals players, regional players or national players to support. Koreans will always have their fans all around the world, but some people, I would say most of the people, want to cheer for a national champ and see them beat the rest of the world and be happy and relate with their triumph.

Also, having this type of more local heroes and more players representing more parts of the world its good for investment, its good for esports, attracting more companies and big brands on supporting this game; and this obviously is good for the scene, for the fans, for the players, having bigger tournaments and bigger prize-pools; and this results on attracting more players to the scene.

Before the system, how many Koreans were making a profit? Compare that number with how many players making a profit from USA, Canada, France, Germany, etc. Ok, now, with the new system, that numbers gets more even. More people get more chances. Sad for Koreans, yeah, but very happy for the rest of the world.

Its a new system! Try to enjoy it.

Yes, this system benefits foreigners and is bad for Koreans, that's a fact. Yes, there are more foreigner "pro" players than Korean pros, I think that's a fact too, thus it does benefit a ton more people if you look at raw numbers. If this is a good thing, or a bad thing, is up for individual interpretation.

It may or may not attract new viewers, the fact that most people want to cheer for their countrymen may or may not be real.

The fact that it is better for investment may or may not be real, as we currently have no evidence going for either side. But independently of that, the potential increase in investment in foreign SC2 will be compensated by a potential decrease in investment in Korean SC2.

Thus we can make the bold conclusion that this new system seems good for the foreign scene, and bad for the Korean scene. Unsurprisingly, this is what he was designed to achieve. This conclusion may or may not be a good thing, depending on each individual's desires, ideas and ideals.

It's the same arguments over and over again, and it's pointless to argue over and over again (don't get me wrong, it's not directed at you specifically, but at everyone arguing about the system by now). We won't know who's right and who's wrong until... never? So yeah I was just saying that no one should make comparisons between football/soccer and SC2. Comparing real sports with eSports is something that must be done with caution, and comparing team sports with team eSports and individual eSports with individual sports is a step in the right direction.
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