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On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene.
koreans on a foreign team like TaeJa, HerO, PartinG etc don't have a superior training environment.
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On February 24 2016 14:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. koreans on a foreign team like TaeJa, HerO, PartinG etc don't have a superior training environment.
Teamless Pigbaby won WCS NA out of nowhere. Never forget.
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On February 24 2016 14:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. koreans on a foreign team like TaeJa, HerO, PartinG etc don't have a superior training environment.
They had those kind of environement (Teaja [Nex/Slayers]; Hero [oGs] Parting [fOu; FXopen, STartale, SKT1,YFW]) Its not like when you leave a team you forget all the advices/tips/organisation on how having a good training/shcedule/objectives and still they live and played on KR with no ping. Dont pretend they ahvae the same background as foreigners :/.
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On February 24 2016 08:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Single elimination bracket for something worth this much money is pretty disgusting. I really wish that was reconsidered
Sick losers bracket runs can be some of the most hype things ever.
I agree with SGTK, seeing a player on his last life manage to hang on to that thread and win the tournament is the best storyline. Its just like watching a movie!
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On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene.
BULLSHIT!
Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end?
It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before.
I am sick of this BS.
Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right?
The true Korean dominance started in 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net.
So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw).
If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it...
Edit>
Which brings me to a question, how can be WCS tournament with 2016 rules be a Premier tournament?
Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community.
Their not passing this, ehm, definition from liquipedia page.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
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On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw).If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Edit> Which brings me to a question, how can be WCS tournament with 2016 rules be a Premier tournament? Show nested quote +Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Their not passing this, ehm, definition from liquipedia page. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
I think this misses the point. The point isn't to make foreign players actually equal to Korean ones (on average). The point is probably to generate interest among casual or new foreign fans who don't really have the nuanced understanding of the game to appreciate the differences in the levels of play (the kind of viewer that, like CatZ said, wouldn't know the difference between Korean pro matches or foreigner pro matches if the names were blanked), to grow the scene as a whole and make it more sustainable as a business.
The fact is the anti-WCS group represents a dedicated, smart and passionate but very small worldwide fan base of a few thousand people that isn't really large enough to sustain an international SC2 scene for many years going forward, which I'd guess is what Blizzard wants  Maybe this change will still fail from a business perspective too, but the status quo clearly wasn't fulfilling that ambition either.
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On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Edit> Which brings me to a question, how can be WCS tournament with 2016 rules be a Premier tournament? Show nested quote +Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Their not passing this, ehm, definition from liquipedia page. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. Not just the best players from south korea,,,
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On February 25 2016 00:50 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Edit> Which brings me to a question, how can be WCS tournament with 2016 rules be a Premier tournament? Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Their not passing this, ehm, definition from liquipedia page. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. Not just the best players from south korea,,,
ALL over the world means in my language whole world. Korea included.
Edit> To be fair, in my language I wouldn't need to emphasize that world includes Korea.
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On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in the late 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it...
Please you can argue without calling "shit" different opinions. Have some respect. Thank you.
Why Foreigners had a dominant time early in SC2? Because they had the same start. Unfortunatly, Korean practice environement is better in a lot of way, so year after year a gap was create. And Im sorry expect Stephano who really was dominant for a certain era, the other foreigners had big times but waaaay more ponctual.
I mean do you see any foreign team compete in SPL seriously? No. And then ask why? Well If it is not training environement, we have to state that every foreigners are lazyass players, who just play the game casually I guess.
And may I had that SC2 was of the top of esport because LoL or Dota 2 didnt emerge. And team games are just more appealing than 1o1. This is a different topic.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On February 25 2016 00:54 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in the late 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Please you can argue without calling "shit" different opinions. Have some respect. Thank you. Why Foreigners had a dominant time early in SC2? Because they had the same start. Unfortunatly, Korean practice environement is better in a lot of way, so year after year a gap was create. And Im sorry expect Stephano who really was dominant for a certain era, the other foreigners had big times but waaaay more ponctual. I mean do you see any foreign team compete in SPL seriously? No. And then ask why? Well If it is not training environement, we have to state that every foreigners are lazyass players. You just play the game casually I guess.
Well it is, at start I was nice and didn't call it bullshit, but now? When it rises again and again?
What are you talking about? Until 2013 there was no KeSPA in SC2, the positions were the same, many eSF teams disbanded when KeSPA came into SC2.
Where is the difference?! Really, give me proper reasons instead of general PR. Foreigners were winning most of the tournaments outside of Korea for 2 years, 2 whole years, and it didn't even matter.
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On February 24 2016 14:18 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 09:53 Ensiferum8 wrote:
I have watched since the first WCS ( stephano vs MVP <3 was epic), but this is the first WCS i will not watch, and might never watch again if things dont change.
Im a huge sc2 fan, but like a lot of people, i want to see the best, not the best of the scrubs.
So 2013 Stephano and MVP were the best player in the world? WCS has never been the best player, I don't mean that I totally agree with the new rules, but saying that WCS was the best player and now is "the best of the scrub" is just not true, hell it is like 80% the same players! Outside of MMA, Taeja, Hyun, MC at the start and mabye DuckDuck or Yoda their were no big tournament winner in WCS that are not there now.
Nope, not at all.
But its quite obvious that it was way higher quality.
Lets be fair, no one can deny that: Taeja, hyun, MC, San, Bomber, Jaedong, Duckdeok, Pigbaby etc... are WAYYYYYYY better than stuff like PiliPili, neeb, kelazhur, iasonu Pig (lol?), lambo, masa, xigua and many more. With all due respect to these pros.
Even more, the old system made it so that blizzcon (the biggest tournament of the year) was really competitive. We all remember how lilbow was pathetic and proved every fan of this system how awfull it is.
before, we had taeja, jaedong, mma etc.... which, granted were no soO, TY stats etc... but still way better than seeing foreigners getting demolish by simply vastly superior player.
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On February 25 2016 00:49 Kofuku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw).If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Edit> Which brings me to a question, how can be WCS tournament with 2016 rules be a Premier tournament? Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Their not passing this, ehm, definition from liquipedia page. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments The fact is the anti-WCS group represents a dedicated, smart and passionate but very small worldwide fan base of a few thousand people that isn't really large enough to sustain an international SC2 scene for many years going forward, which I'd guess is what Blizzard wants Maybe this change will still fail from a business perspective too, but the status quo clearly wasn't fulfilling that ambition either.
you call it a fact but I don't see how this is in any way true.
I know many casual players who watch sc2 who don't really care about "local heros" but tune in to watch marus sick micro skills or PartinGs unbelievable forcefields.
Saying creating local heroes will revive the casual interest is not more then a wild prediction
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On February 25 2016 01:01 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:54 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in the late 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Please you can argue without calling "shit" different opinions. Have some respect. Thank you. Why Foreigners had a dominant time early in SC2? Because they had the same start. Unfortunatly, Korean practice environement is better in a lot of way, so year after year a gap was create. And Im sorry expect Stephano who really was dominant for a certain era, the other foreigners had big times but waaaay more ponctual. I mean do you see any foreign team compete in SPL seriously? No. And then ask why? Well If it is not training environement, we have to state that every foreigners are lazyass players. You just play the game casually I guess. Well it is, at start I was nice and didn't call it bullshit, but now? When it rises again and again? What are you talking about? Until 2013 there was no KeSPA in SC2, the positions were the same, many eSF teams disbanded when KeSPA came into SC2. Where is the difference?! Really, give me proper reasons instead of general PR. Foreigners were winning most of the tournaments outside of Korea for 2 years, 2 whole years, and it didn't even matter.
It didnt matter really? Its not like SC2 was at his highest in this era... For 3 years now Korean roflstomping the foreign scene. And guess what people will let go with SC2 because cheering for a player from your country is way more attractive. Please do not put racism in this statement... This is simple logic.
Why France having such an active SC2 scene? Stephano. No stephano maybe France would not have been that much into SC2. (Means no IronSquid/NationWars) We need to put foreigners in front of the scene. This is good for the health of it.
And as I stated on another post WCS Rules changing every season. Why do you talk like its last move about WCS from Blizzard? There will be change if this dont work. Stop being so mad for something temporarly.
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On February 25 2016 01:14 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 01:01 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 00:54 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in the late 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Please you can argue without calling "shit" different opinions. Have some respect. Thank you. Why Foreigners had a dominant time early in SC2? Because they had the same start. Unfortunatly, Korean practice environement is better in a lot of way, so year after year a gap was create. And Im sorry expect Stephano who really was dominant for a certain era, the other foreigners had big times but waaaay more ponctual. I mean do you see any foreign team compete in SPL seriously? No. And then ask why? Well If it is not training environement, we have to state that every foreigners are lazyass players. You just play the game casually I guess. Well it is, at start I was nice and didn't call it bullshit, but now? When it rises again and again? What are you talking about? Until 2013 there was no KeSPA in SC2, the positions were the same, many eSF teams disbanded when KeSPA came into SC2. Where is the difference?! Really, give me proper reasons instead of general PR. Foreigners were winning most of the tournaments outside of Korea for 2 years, 2 whole years, and it didn't even matter. It didnt matter really? Its not like SC2 was at his highest in this era... For 3 years now Korean roflstomping the foreign scene. And guess what people will let go with SC2 because cheering for a player from your country is way more attractive. Please do not put racism in this statement... This is simple logic. Why France having such an active SC2 scene? Stephano. No stephano maybe France would not have been that much into SC2. (Means no IronSquid/NationWars) We need to put foreigners in front of the scene. This is good for the health of it. And as I stated on another post WCS Rules changing every season. Why do you talk like its last move about WCS from Blizzard? There will be change if this dont work. Stop being so mad for something temporarly.
Because many Korean players won't survive this. We lost many players where they went for the traditional humble "I quit, because army and stuff", but what a coincidence, they were on a foreign team. And everyone was shocked. /s
Also if some player won't qualify for 2 tournaments they are not to be seen for a half year! HALF YEAR! Parting? I want to see Parting playing in tournament! Well fuck me, right? Because he's not eligible for WCS I am fucked. Cool for me, right? Where WCS fan can see his players every month I can see a shit. Aw yeah. At least some players play once a week in proleague...
If they announced several global events, the ranting would be lower, because people would know that there is a chance to see the best players OUTSIDE of Korea. I am not saying it would stop the hate, but it would lower it substantially.
But here we are and we have nothing announced and we are 2/10 from the season already. Yay... Oh, sorry, we have Blizzcon!!!! HOLY SHIT AW YEAH! In US. That's for me the same like traveling to Korea. NO, that's different, in Korea I know what players I will see...(until blizzard closes some tunnel again  )
Also props to you for avoiding the question.
BTW - I am from Czech Republic, give me my local hero, Czech Republic was NEVER EVER relevant in SC2. But somehow local heroes will revive the scene here after it being dead for 6 years in a row. The WCS will change everything! :o)
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Anyway, the top of SC2 was 2012, maybe 2013 HotS. The foreigners had the same start in 2010, were winning until 2012, but then in 2012 _something_ happened and sc2 is somehow dominated by Koreans. From 2012 it went downhill with audience numbers so my assumption isn't that wild. But whatever, you say SC2 wasn't in its best. I think that's plainly wrong. In 2010 - 2012 SC2 was the top eSport out there.
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On February 25 2016 01:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 01:14 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 25 2016 01:01 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 00:54 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in the late 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Please you can argue without calling "shit" different opinions. Have some respect. Thank you. Why Foreigners had a dominant time early in SC2? Because they had the same start. Unfortunatly, Korean practice environement is better in a lot of way, so year after year a gap was create. And Im sorry expect Stephano who really was dominant for a certain era, the other foreigners had big times but waaaay more ponctual. I mean do you see any foreign team compete in SPL seriously? No. And then ask why? Well If it is not training environement, we have to state that every foreigners are lazyass players. You just play the game casually I guess. Well it is, at start I was nice and didn't call it bullshit, but now? When it rises again and again? What are you talking about? Until 2013 there was no KeSPA in SC2, the positions were the same, many eSF teams disbanded when KeSPA came into SC2. Where is the difference?! Really, give me proper reasons instead of general PR. Foreigners were winning most of the tournaments outside of Korea for 2 years, 2 whole years, and it didn't even matter. It didnt matter really? Its not like SC2 was at his highest in this era... For 3 years now Korean roflstomping the foreign scene. And guess what people will let go with SC2 because cheering for a player from your country is way more attractive. Please do not put racism in this statement... This is simple logic. Why France having such an active SC2 scene? Stephano. No stephano maybe France would not have been that much into SC2. (Means no IronSquid/NationWars) We need to put foreigners in front of the scene. This is good for the health of it. And as I stated on another post WCS Rules changing every season. Why do you talk like its last move about WCS from Blizzard? There will be change if this dont work. Stop being so mad for something temporarly. Because many Korean players won't survive this. We lost many players where they went for the traditional humble "I quit, because army and stuff", but what a coincidence, they were on a foreign team. And everyone was shocked. /s Also if some player won't qualify for 2 tournaments they are not to be seen for a half year! HALF YEAR! Parting? I want to see Parting playing in tournament! Well fuck me, right? Because he's not eligible for WCS I am fucked. Cool for me, right? Where WCS fan can see his players every month I can see a shit. Aw yeah. At least some players play once a week in proleague... If they announced several global events, the ranting would be lower, because people would know that there is a chance to see the best players OUTSIDE of Korea. I am not saying it would stop the hate, but it would lower it substantially. But here we are and we have nothing announced and we are 2/10 from the season already. Yay... Oh, sorry, we have Blizzcon!!!! HOLY SHIT AW YEAH! In US. That's for me the same like traveling to Korea. NO, that's different, in Korea I know what players I will see...(until blizzard closes some tunnel again ) Also props to you for avoiding the question. BTW - I am from Czech Republic, give me my local hero, Czech Republic was NEVER EVER relevant in SC2. But somehow local heroes will revive the scene here after it being dead for 6 years in a row. The WCS will change everything! :o)
I didnt avoid any questions there, or I didnt understood you very well. Enlight me please, my english is not that good. (no sarcasm)
And please if you see a Czech player rise is SC2 scene mean winning an IEM or DH which is possible NOW, don't tell me it will not give at least a BOOST for the CZ SC2 scene. Or if not reviving the scene having opportunity making some decent money with his passion and effort he puts in the game. I mean France is perfect exemple of that... And this nation wasnt more encline to go toward SC2 than any other nations.
And worrying about korean won't surviving in SC2 scene but forgot about some foreign players who struggle for years now, just because they dont have the same practice environement and putting as much effort in the game.
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Don't overlook Elazer. He has been doing pretty well lately
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On February 25 2016 00:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:24 SinO[Ob] wrote:On February 24 2016 11:16 Ensiferum8 wrote:On February 24 2016 10:19 Prodigy311 wrote:
i love that all the sc2 elitists that probably play at a diamond level that are boycotting wcs because it doesn't have koreans. i don't think i've ever seen such a senseless crusade, almost as if you actually want the game to die so you can be the only one in the world who cares about it. why should a bunch of a koreans shit on america and eu when the vast majority of americans and europeons want to know who the best american and eu players are? please feel free to miss all the incredible games. you do realize we will get to see WORLDS at blizzcon and w/e wcs events are global. get your panties unbundled and appreciate the fact that we're not watching some korean b teamers win dreamhacks and iems pushing away loads of casual viewers. honestly we were over saturated with global play and it takes away from how special it really is. there's a reason why the world cup isn't played for every 3 months.
keep those tears coming, they're icing on the cake of finally figuring out who the best is in each region! Im maybe ''elitist'' but what casual plebs like you dont understand is that what we want is something fair. As far as i know, korean are not born with 6 fingers, 3 hands, or other stuff that would gave them a natural advantage. They just work harder, train harder, pratice harder and consequently, become better at the game. Its completly unfair to ban someone from a tournament because he is better. THATS senseless. Doing a local tournament only is fine exemple: only america. Or only people from europe can participate, thats fine too. But banning 1 country, 1 single country from every tournament simply because they are too good? Thats outright stupid. But yeah, fun fact, im quite sure the game will die way faster with the new rule, since a lot of hardcore that support the game since forever will not watch these tournaments, and casual will come and go, like they often always do. But yeah, keep calling us elitist, while showing no sign of understanding at all whats unfair in all of that. Korean training environement vs foreigners training environement. Which is the best? When every player will be equal on that I will consider the unfair part. Until then maybe its a bit too harsh but come on let the foreigner scene develop itself for 1 or 2 years and old system will be back. Just let the foreigners players gaigning some confidence with BIG titles. Its good for the players/team/scene. BULLSHIT! Foreigner teams were winning huge piles of money at the beginning of SC2. Maybe you were not here, maybe you do not remember, but there were times when Stephano, HuK, Idra, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain(and others) were considered as the one who will pick the trophey. Half of these players were on EG. EG won fuck ton of money and where did those money end? It doesn't look like letting foreigners win everything in the beginning help, but hey, let's try it again, maybe NOW it will work when it didn't work before. I am sick of this BS. Let the foreigner scene develop - what was it doing at the start?! Where is EG SC2 team now? EG had the best lineup for 3 consecutive years! 2010 - 2013 At least Team Liquid still has relevant team. But not everyone out there is TL, right? The true Korean dominance started in 2012, check premier tournaments on TL.net. So, I think it's fair to say that this "experiment" will fail plainly because of our experience from past years(when SC2 was actually the top esport, btw). If anything, this shit was done because many tournaments/organizers went for no SC2 approach and Blizzard wanted to stop that, so they invented this BS. Probably. I would really appreciate official release from Blizzard, but then again, they cannot say their product is shit and nobody wanted to air that, so I won't ever see it... Edit> Which brings me to a question, how can be WCS tournament with 2016 rules be a Premier tournament? Show nested quote +Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Their not passing this, ehm, definition from liquipedia page. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
Can you look at the brackets when Huk and thorzain were winning money and count the Koreans for me please?
All these 2011 titles were won before Korean to massively come out of Korea. If you're not convinced, check this : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MLG and see the evolution of the winners and runner's up nationality. Truth is from the moment Koreans started to come, beside Huk incredible run in Orlando, it was over for all foreign hopes, except stephano.
Moreover, when a game is new, everybody starts with the same knowledge and skill. That's how you have Adelscott defeating MVP with one gate expand, the idea is kinda new, the counter is not figured out yet. Foreigners are not less smart than koreans you give them the same tools they have the same results.
It's after the initial 2 years that the difference becomes huge, because Koreans, even in their "dying scene" can actually live from esport. Foreigners can't. Even a guy like stephano had to stop and go back to uni, because financially there is no future for him in sc2.
How many foreigners have been fully practicing for 6 years? none because it would be foolish. Just list all the every talented foreigners that were able to compete with koreans for a couple of month and then slowly declined?
It all comes from the fact that by the time they finally practiced enough to become a threat, foreigners had to retire and go back to studies.
Btw, EG making tons of money has yet to be proven, but if they did they would have stayed in the scene, instead all their good players had to leave or went through abysimal slumps.
That's how EG disappeared, not by "taking the money and running away"
Last, you have to remember that nothing was sustainable in 2011 sc2, it was just organizations and sponsors investing just to be there in case sc2 would become as big in the world as BW was in Korea. There absolutely no return on investment plans, just dreams and "if"s.
But sc2 never grew as big as dreamed, sponsors left and the whole thing collapsed. see MLG for instance.
In conlucison :
Foreign scene was almost dead due to lack of money and long term sustainbility, the new system is trying to fix this, and it will work if the show is good and viewers get hooked to it. It's a bet as well as a desperate move, but it has to be tried.
If it works, no worries teams like the old EG will come back, and we'll see team houses and sponsors getting involved, but this time on a solid basis, not on a the gold rush crasiness that was 2010-2011...
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I think that both of my Czech comrades' ranting tendencies are highly unlikely to accomplish anything, but I would take one idea from this discussion: what if we really stopped calling these things "premier tournaments"? To be fair, already the definition of a "premier tournament" was waaaay too broad, but it was still easy to recognize which are which by the algorithm "is it in Korea?" which was not that hard to apply.
Now there will be people eventually popping up making lists and statistics about "premier tournament wins", randomly mixing the tournaments that had Koreans with those that didn't. The biggest irony in this is that if this goes on for a couple of years, there will come a day, when people will undervalue Taeja's results because of this ...
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On February 25 2016 00:18 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 08:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Single elimination bracket for something worth this much money is pretty disgusting. I really wish that was reconsidered
Sick losers bracket runs can be some of the most hype things ever. I agree with SGTK, seeing a player on his last life manage to hang on to that thread and win the tournament is the best storyline. Its just like watching a movie!
Yea, like when squirtle won ipl 4!
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