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We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.

PLEASE READ THE OP BEFORE POSTING
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
January 29 2016 15:19 GMT
#301
This news sucks for esport and sc2, but somehow I am also a bit excited about what the hell this is about.
Never liked Life but I would never have thought he would do matchfixing. Its probably something else, the trade between Afreeca and Kt is a bit fishy though. Why did he want to go so sudden and why did KT let him go? Maybe KT had noticed something.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 29 2016 15:19 GMT
#302
What's up?

Can someone with a good grasp on the situation give a decent summary of what's going on here? Facts only please, if speculation please call it as such.
maru lover forever
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
January 29 2016 15:19 GMT
#303
please don't let it be true
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 29 2016 15:20 GMT
#304
On January 30 2016 00:10 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 00:06 Elentos wrote:
On January 30 2016 00:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 30 2016 00:01 ErectedZenith wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote:
i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games


Yeah that's even worse though.

You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.

Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.

I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.

Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way

"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"

Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.


If someone would actually be sentenced to prison for just taking drugs, it won't shed bad light on esport, but on the legal system of the country in question. Because that's absolutely ridiculous - and also quite off topic.

Unfortunately, that's not how people work. Your view of the thing is rational, but the reactions to such a scandal wouldn't be. Every time there's a school shooting in Germany, what people talk about is video games - mostly shooters like Call of Duty - if the culprit played them regularly. What people don't talk about is the kid's social life, upbringing etc.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 15:21:48
January 29 2016 15:21 GMT
#305
On January 30 2016 00:19 Incognoto wrote:
What's up?

Can someone with a good grasp on the situation give a decent summary of what's going on here? Facts only please, if speculation please call it as such.

nobody really knows anything about his arrest as far as i can tell, but if the native korean guy with 1 post on the last page is correct, the situation looks really bad for life already
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aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
January 29 2016 15:21 GMT
#306
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote:
As korean I will explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)

He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police
This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor.
And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%

As he's arrested by prosecutor it obviously means that his arrest is part of some running case, right? I mean it's kind of common sense that it could be about match fixing, but it's not known, no official statement was made yet. I wish people could stay away from assumptions, they damage truth and honesty in public opinion far too much nowadays...
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
January 29 2016 15:22 GMT
#307
On January 30 2016 00:04 palexhur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:45 207aicila wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:26 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:08 207aicila wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:05 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.


Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.


Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.


You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.


I didn't say only for boredom, but we did get figures of what they were paid to throw matches, and it's shit. Nothing compared to what you'd make by going far in a StarLeague let alone their salary...

Please teach me more about a scene I've been following for over 10 years.


I am out of this argument with you, it is not relevant for me anymore, and fyi I have been following, playing, and.. RTS since 1999, do your math guy. hf cya gl


Can't argue with the facts so try to stage a "cool" exit huh?

And if you insist on comparing dicks, I've been following and playing RTS since whenever WarCraft 1 came out.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
January 29 2016 15:23 GMT
#308
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote:
As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)

He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police
This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor.
And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%

A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
January 29 2016 15:23 GMT
#309
On January 30 2016 00:19 Shuffleblade wrote:
This news sucks for esport and sc2, but somehow I am also a bit excited about what the hell this is about.
Never liked Life but I would never have thought he would do matchfixing. Its probably something else, the trade between Afreeca and Kt is a bit fishy though. Why did he want to go so sudden and why did KT let him go? Maybe KT had noticed something.

Or maybe he had good reason to leave KT since it was his will? Like running away from something.

It's night in Korea, any chance of getting any official word anytime soon?
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 29 2016 15:24 GMT
#310
On January 30 2016 00:04 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:59 AWalker9 wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:56 ShizzK wrote:
Pinnacle Sports just cancelled the results in the Code A match between Super and RagnaroK.

[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]

Just before the match started the odds for map 1 changed a lot. Someone put a lot of money on RagnaroK on map 1 and Pinnacle obviously belive map 1 was rigged.

Pisses me off because i bet on Super for match and all maps.

I think Super had suspicious betting pattens on one of his matches before.

Super vs INnoVation had a cancelled bet, albeit on a map Super won.

Also I just found this one:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 20:55 ShizzK wrote:
Pinnacle Sports cancel bets on Life vs aLive

---

[E Sport] [Starcraft 2 - Starcraft 2 StarLeague] [kamp] Life vs aLive.
[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]

---

I did not watch the match tho, so I am not sure why. Anyone?

... hoping it was just a fakeout by gamblers.


Super vs Inno the problem was on Inno's side, had to lose the 1st map.
Zest fanboy.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
January 29 2016 15:24 GMT
#311
On January 30 2016 00:19 Shuffleblade wrote:
This news sucks for esport and sc2, but somehow I am also a bit excited about what the hell this is about.
Never liked Life but I would never have thought he would do matchfixing. Its probably something else, the trade between Afreeca and Kt is a bit fishy though. Why did he want to go so sudden and why did KT let him go? Maybe KT had noticed something.


Both teams stated that they were unaware of this situation at the time of the transfer.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
January 29 2016 15:25 GMT
#312
UNFUCKING REAL honestly we shouldn't even speculate. Wait until the investigation is over before anybody even whispers a rumor
Potassium Gang
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 29 2016 15:25 GMT
#313
On January 30 2016 00:06 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 00:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 30 2016 00:01 ErectedZenith wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote:
i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games


Yeah that's even worse though.

You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.

Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.

I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.

Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way

"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"

Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.


In a scene where stephano is a super star...
Zest fanboy.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
January 29 2016 15:27 GMT
#314
On January 30 2016 00:25 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 00:06 Elentos wrote:
On January 30 2016 00:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 30 2016 00:01 ErectedZenith wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote:
i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games


Yeah that's even worse though.

You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.

Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.

I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.

Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way

"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"

Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.


In a scene where stephano is a super star...
but stephano being a "bad boy" isn't likely to get attention outside of the scene, whereas arguably the top korean player in one of the top esports could attract headlines that would reach korean parents in the media and suggest that there could be some kind of sinister, criminal element to the scene

of course this is all speculation, but it's been proven time and time again that this is how sensationalism and moral panic in the media functions
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Dungeontay
Profile Joined December 2015
126 Posts
January 29 2016 15:29 GMT
#315
If it turns out he was evolved, it would be the end of my sc2 fandom....
Zzz
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
January 29 2016 15:29 GMT
#316
Doesn't seem likely that Life would be match fixing. He wasn't mentioned in the pinnacle bets, so that would mean he would be part of some other unrelated organisation... It's not impossible but I'd be surprised.
No will to live, no wish to die
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
January 29 2016 15:32 GMT
#317
On January 30 2016 00:23 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote:
As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)

He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police
This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor.
And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%

A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.


Thats more a rate I would expect above the 38th degree of latitude
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
January 29 2016 15:33 GMT
#318
On January 30 2016 00:29 Nebuchad wrote:
Doesn't seem likely that Life would be match fixing. He wasn't mentioned in the pinnacle bets, so that would mean he would be part of some other unrelated organisation... It's not impossible but I'd be surprised.


Some pages back somebody quoted examples of matches that were voided by Pinnacle that Life was involved in.
Hit me up if you need chinese translations. soO fighting !!
DuckloadBlackra
Profile Joined July 2011
225 Posts
January 29 2016 15:34 GMT
#319
On January 29 2016 21:56 Quateras wrote:
I cant believe Life would do that...however if this turns out to be true, i think I'm done with watching korean games for a while, holy shit man >_>


You can't believe Life would do what? Nobody said he did anything, he is under investigation for something.

Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
January 29 2016 15:35 GMT
#320
Scary news, and so little information. I should be doing something productive instead of lurking around here waiting for official news.... Hoping for the best.
I like how many people refrain from judging Life before we get more information. Just wish more people had done so when it was MarineKing... *sigh*

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