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What was the logic behind the 2 seasons per year?

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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
January 05 2016 15:51 GMT
#1
I'm sure a lot of people wondered about this, but there never was a clear indication why Blizzard decreased number of seasons in Korea to two whilst disabling Korean progamers from attending foreign tournament. I dunno much about the Korean scene, but I am sure they are pissed off because they only lost and gained none. Why do you guys, the TL community, think that Blizzard went out of its way to decrease the number of seasons in KR when they did not have to?
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
January 05 2016 15:56 GMT
#2
On January 06 2016 00:51 swissman777 wrote:
I'm sure a lot of people wondered about this, but there never was a clear indication why Blizzard decreased number of seasons in Korea to two whilst disabling Korean progamers from attending foreign tournament. I dunno much about the Korean scene, but I am sure they are pissed off because they only lost and gained none. Why do you guys, the TL community, think that Blizzard went out of its way to decrease the number of seasons in KR when they did not have to?

Korean scene has more money than before so they didn't only lose
Anyhow it was probably some random decision by someone "wouldn't our prize pools look SO much bigger if we condense the them into 2?"
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
January 05 2016 16:02 GMT
#3
some reasons I can imagine:
- make each championchip win more meaningful
- higher price pool for the leagues means more prestige but it's too expensive to saturate 3 seasons with this amount of money
- decreasing viewership in SC2 results into decreasing investment

I do not agree with any of these thoughts but I could understand it, if those where the reasons. Apart from that the decrease seems kinda random to me.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
January 05 2016 16:05 GMT
#4
On January 06 2016 01:02 fronkschnonk wrote:
some reasons I can imagine:
- make each championchip win more meaningful
- higher price pool for the leagues means more prestige but it's too expensive to saturate 3 seasons with this amount of money
- decreasing viewership in SC2 results into decreasing investment

I do not agree with any of these thoughts but I could understand it, if those where the reasons. Apart from that the decrease seems kinda random to me.


Making each championship win be more meaningful does not do it for me. The whole point of SSL in 2015 was to give more opportunities for progamers to win championships.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
January 05 2016 16:08 GMT
#5
On January 06 2016 01:05 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 01:02 fronkschnonk wrote:
some reasons I can imagine:
- make each championchip win more meaningful
- higher price pool for the leagues means more prestige but it's too expensive to saturate 3 seasons with this amount of money
- decreasing viewership in SC2 results into decreasing investment

I do not agree with any of these thoughts but I could understand it, if those where the reasons. Apart from that the decrease seems kinda random to me.


Making each championship win be more meaningful does not do it for me. The whole point of SSL in 2015 was to give more opportunities for progamers to win championships.

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p4ch1n0
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany38 Posts
January 05 2016 16:45 GMT
#6
How do you know it was blizzards decision? I can't imagine that blizzard forced gsl and ssl to only do 2 seasons if actually they wanted to do more.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2016-01-05 16:51:53
January 05 2016 16:51 GMT
#7
On January 06 2016 01:45 p4ch1n0 wrote:
How do you know it was blizzards decision? I can't imagine that blizzard forced gsl and ssl to only do 2 seasons if actually they wanted to do more.

Because

To make it so more people can follow these exciting tournaments and to open up space in the schedule for the cross-finals, each league will operate two seasons next year, with a significant increase in prize pool for the leagues.

from the WCS announcement.
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Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
January 05 2016 17:41 GMT
#8
So the cash stays close to the same but it's less spread out. Doesn't sound the worst, but it's not ideal for keeping lots of players in a scene.
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January 05 2016 17:50 GMT
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 05 2016 17:57 GMT
#10
My guesses are:

SSL: because SpoTV wants to dedicate less time to SC2 and more time to more profitable games.
GSL: because Afreeca didn't think SC2 was profitable enough (otherwise they would invest in it before), and now that they bought the studio they will run only 2 seasons to test the waters and see if it is worth to invest in it.

Summary: lack of interest from broadcasters.

Sorry, I know this is a deadgaem-y post but I think those are the reasons
p4ch1n0
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany38 Posts
January 05 2016 17:58 GMT
#11
On January 06 2016 01:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 01:45 p4ch1n0 wrote:
How do you know it was blizzards decision? I can't imagine that blizzard forced gsl and ssl to only do 2 seasons if actually they wanted to do more.

Because
Show nested quote +

To make it so more people can follow these exciting tournaments and to open up space in the schedule for the cross-finals, each league will operate two seasons next year, with a significant increase in prize pool for the leagues.

from the WCS announcement.


Blizzard made the announcement, yes, but it doesn't mean they also made the decision.

We don't actually know who made which desicion behind WCS 2016. So we should discuss it as a whole and not blame or praise one particular party.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 05 2016 18:01 GMT
#12
On January 06 2016 02:57 Silvana wrote:
My guesses are:

SSL: because SpoTV wants to dedicate less time to SC2 and more time to more profitable games.
GSL: because Afreeca didn't think SC2 was profitable enough (otherwise they would invest in it before), and now that they bought the studio they will run only 2 seasons to test the waters and see if it is worth to invest in it.

Summary: lack of interest from broadcasters.

Sorry, I know this is a deadgaem-y post but I think those are the reasons

Also my thoughts, its all about the $$$
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
January 05 2016 18:02 GMT
#13
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-05 19:05:27
January 05 2016 18:34 GMT
#14
On January 06 2016 03:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 02:57 Silvana wrote:
My guesses are:

SSL: because SpoTV wants to dedicate less time to SC2 and more time to more profitable games.
GSL: because Afreeca didn't think SC2 was profitable enough (otherwise they would invest in it before), and now that they bought the studio they will run only 2 seasons to test the waters and see if it is worth to invest in it.

Summary: lack of interest from broadcasters.

Sorry, I know this is a deadgaem-y post but I think those are the reasons

Also my thoughts, its all about the $$$


This seems most logical to me--I really doubt Blizzard asked SSL and GSL to decrease their seasons from 3 to 2. Also SSL is much smaller as a tournament now that they've removed "Challenger League" to get into the Ro16 and removed the group stage Ro16 in favor of Bo3 single elimination. In other words, the Ro16 is now 8 Bo3 series instead of 20 Bo3 series, and we've lost all 12 Bo5 series from Challenger. Really, SSL is now basically a weekend tournament in terms of its small scope (only 18 series in the entire tournament) just held over a long period of time.

It's unfortunate, I'd have hoped that LotV would engender some additional interest but it doesn't seem like it.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 05 2016 18:40 GMT
#15
On January 06 2016 02:57 Silvana wrote:
My guesses are:

SSL: because SpoTV wants to dedicate less time to SC2 and more time to more profitable games.
GSL: because Afreeca didn't think SC2 was profitable enough (otherwise they would invest in it before), and now that they bought the studio they will run only 2 seasons to test the waters and see if it is worth to invest in it.

Summary: lack of interest from broadcasters.

Sorry, I know this is a deadgaem-y post but I think those are the reasons


seems to be the best answer though. I am happy GSL even happens, as that was somewhat in limbo when afreeca took over. And maybe we get some rebroadcasts even xD.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 05 2016 18:45 GMT
#16
I am pretty sure it is because they want every tournament winner to be seeded into blizzcon.
So if you would have three seasons per korean tournament we would have 6 seeds and only 2 players per wcs points.
Right now it is 4:4 which seems more reasonable.

At least that could be one of the reasons, money probably the bigger one? (maybe?)
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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
January 05 2016 18:52 GMT
#17
Thanks guys for your answers! I'll read them when I have a chance but thanks in advance!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
January 05 2016 19:05 GMT
#18
last year i found that korean sc2 was slightly oversaturated with 6 starleagues per year. There were almost always high level games going on and it was hard to follow all of it. Also it wasn't really special anymore when top players faced each other because it happened so often.
If koreans would still be allowed at international tournaments I would have liked this change but now I think it's bad because if a player gets knocked out of the starleagues and doesn't play proleague he has nothing to play in for half a year
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 05 2016 19:12 GMT
#19
You wouldn't want the Koreans to go jobless in an instant, would you
They have to retire bit by bit, silently, without drama
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