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On January 05 2016 04:25 nimdil wrote:
It will be weird with Scarlett in top 5 without a single premier title to her name but all things considered there's no way around it.
I feel that nerchio and mana have more results to show than scarlet. They just didnt have the overhype going for them
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On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue  This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed.
I, for one, was with you, right until you equated "being somewhat decent at Starcraft" with "being gm league"... Let's not be disingenuously hyperbolic here.
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On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results.
How do you determine, who understands the game? To give and obvious example: If elfi does a weird build, that isn't supposed to work, but it works anyway; does that mean, he is a bad player, because he doesn't play the game, "how it is supposed to be played" or does it make him a genius, because he found a counter to the norm?
Judging greatness by anything gameplay-related will only give you an opinion, which is depending on the judge. Results are not influnenced by anyones opinion. Results are truly objective. Results are the only way to achieve greatness.
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On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results.
I love your claim that you understand the game, and that everyone who disagrees with you obviously doesn't. They really add to your argument.
I'm not sure what metric you think should be used to determine if a given player is "greater" than another. Skill? Disregarding how difficult quantifying the skill of a player is, the fact that different players peaked at different times for different lengths of times in different environments makes the comparison extremely subjective. Would you rate someone who was top 3 in the world for 3 months in 2012 when his race was weak higher than someone who was top 5 in the world for 6 months in 2014 when his race was strong? I dunno.
Additionally there is the argument that greatness is what you are able to achieve in the game, not how much raw skill you have; you could be the best player in the world, but as long as you can't perform when it matters you don't deserve to be called great.
Results are both a more quantifiable and tangible metric (though even there the valuation of given results is somewhat subjective), and one that better reflects how great a player is.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 05 2016 10:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. I love your claim that you understand the game, and that everyone who disagrees with you obviously doesn't. They really add to your argument. I'm not sure what metric you think should be used to determine if a given player is "greater" than another. Skill? Disregarding how difficult quantifying the skill of a player is, the fact that different players peaked at different times for different lengths of times in different environments makes the comparison extremely subjective. Would you rate someone who was top 3 in the world for 3 months in 2012 when his race was weak higher than someone who was top 5 in the world for 6 months in 2014 when his race was strong? I dunno. Additionally there is the argument that greatness is what you are able to achieve in the game, not how much raw skill you have; you could be the best player in the world, but as long as you can't perform when it matters you don't deserve to be called great. Results are both a more quantifiable and tangible metric (though even there the valuation of given results is somewhat subjective), and one that better reflects how great a player is.
MVP was the greatest player in the world during GSL Season 2 2012; he was also the weakest player in the whole of Code S. There are plenty of reasons to love a player completely unrelated to results, but any argument on greatness and their place in the pantheon has to start there.
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1. fuzer
2. namhcir
3. ruff
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On January 05 2016 10:11 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 04:25 nimdil wrote:
It will be weird with Scarlett in top 5 without a single premier title to her name but all things considered there's no way around it. I feel that nerchio and mana have more results to show than scarlet. They just didnt have the overhype going for them
They all have about the same level of results, but you're right about the hype thing. My only disagreement with the writers so far is that 9th is too low for Nerchio.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed.
No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong.
Results? Huk by a landslide.
Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now)
Peak? Huk by a landslide.
Fame? Huk by a landslide.
Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A.
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On January 05 2016 07:15 Footler wrote:
Does anyone else agree that Huk will be #2? Huk on paper just has so much more going for him in my opinion. The only thing Naniwa seems to have over him is simply this 'aura' of that he was one bad ass player that nearly everyone feared playing but at the end of the day his results don't speak as loudly as Huk's and certainly not as loudly as Stephano's. Also, I don't think we can entirely discount Huk's career after his era of dominance, he continues to be a relevant player in the foreign scene to this day and still manages to take down players many wouldn't expect him to.
I was thinking this as well the 8 GSL appearances kind of help his case. Everyone keeps pointing to earnings but MLG Orlando was 5k which some people get for getting into premier. All of the earnings debates are pretty weak based off of the years tournaments were held.
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On January 05 2016 13:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed. No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong. Results? Huk by a landslide. Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now) Peak? Huk by a landslide. Fame? Huk by a landslide. Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A.
Out of curiosity how do you feel about your own ranking on the list?
EDIT: As far as Huk is concerned of course he's in the top 5. I assume it will be
Scarlett
Snute
Huk
Naniwa
Stephano
but could totally understand why Huk would be second
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On January 05 2016 14:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 13:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:
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If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed. No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong. Results? Huk by a landslide. Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now) Peak? Huk by a landslide. Fame? Huk by a landslide. Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A. Out of curiosity how do you feel about your own ranking on the list? EDIT: As far as Huk is concerned of course he's in the top 5. I assume it will be Scarlett Snute Huk Naniwa Stephano but could totally understand why Huk would be second
Jinro commented about his ranking in the previous thread. See:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/500799-the-greatest-foreigners-of-all-time-part-1?page=9#179
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/500799-the-greatest-foreigners-of-all-time-part-1?page=11#212
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/500799-the-greatest-foreigners-of-all-time-part-1?page=12#233
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On January 05 2016 13:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed. No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong. Results? Huk by a landslide. Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now) Peak? Huk by a landslide. Fame? Huk by a landslide. Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A.
On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN.
Clearly Jinro knows nothing about Starcraft 
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 05 2016 14:24 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 13:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:
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If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed. No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong. Results? Huk by a landslide. Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now) Peak? Huk by a landslide. Fame? Huk by a landslide. Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A. Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Clearly Jinro knows nothing about Starcraft
he said he felt he didn't belong on the list he's obviously delusional
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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 05 2016 13:38 Baggins wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 07:15 Footler wrote:
Does anyone else agree that Huk will be #2? Huk on paper just has so much more going for him in my opinion. The only thing Naniwa seems to have over him is simply this 'aura' of that he was one bad ass player that nearly everyone feared playing but at the end of the day his results don't speak as loudly as Huk's and certainly not as loudly as Stephano's. Also, I don't think we can entirely discount Huk's career after his era of dominance, he continues to be a relevant player in the foreign scene to this day and still manages to take down players many wouldn't expect him to. I was thinking this as well the 8 GSL appearances kind of help his case. Everyone keeps pointing to earnings but MLG Orlando was 5k which some people get for getting into premier. All of the earnings debates are pretty weak based off of the years tournaments were held.
The criteria were linked for a reason; earnings were not a factor behind any of these lists
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list
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Sweden33719 Posts
On January 05 2016 14:44 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 14:24 Phredxor wrote:On January 05 2016 13:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:
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No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed. No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong. Results? Huk by a landslide. Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now) Peak? Huk by a landslide. Fame? Huk by a landslide. Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A. On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Clearly Jinro knows nothing about Starcraft he said he felt he didn't belong on the list he's obviously delusional
:D
But really, I meant more like if someone didn't include me I wouldn't consider it super strange.
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Wow thinking about it now, EG must have had a lot of money...Stephano, Huk, Thorzain, IdrA, and Alliance Naniwa.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 05 2016 15:59 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 14:44 lichter wrote:On January 05 2016 14:24 Phredxor wrote:On January 05 2016 13:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On January 05 2016 10:01 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:57 Payson wrote:On January 05 2016 09:43 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 05 2016 09:19 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 09:06 The_Templar wrote:
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Hmmm... seeing how many people in this thread are doing just that, you might be wrong. Not looking to pick a fight with anyone or offending people, but you might just be underestimating how many people here have no clue This ranking is based on results, and no matter how good you might think LucifroN is, his results in tournaments are worse than HuK's by a landslide. Silly me, thinking a thread called "The Greatest Foreigners of All Time" would be about who are the greatest foreigners of all time and not who has won most. Not that I blame people for judging by results. If you don't understand the game very well, how can you be expected to be able to tell who's the better player? Much easier to judge by results. Right, because HuK managed to participate in the GSL 11 times and win major tournaments while LucifroN.....? HuK has been around since the beginning and shown incredible results from 2010 - 2015. He's been consistent and has shown an amazing work ethic in Starcraft II that many foreigners have not shown, and his results clearly show he has been a Top 5 foreigner. I feel like you are just trying to pick a fight with people. I'm not looking to pick a fight with people hence why I won't post anymore here after this post. Let's agree to disagree? Maybe we can agree that there's no requirement (not even being somewhat decent at Starcraft like being in gm league) to sign up at this site and post whatever? Anyway, good evening. Im going to bed. No, let's not agree to disagree. Ranking Lucifron over Huk in a 'greatest foreigners' list is categorically and undeniably wrong. Results? Huk by a landslide. Longevity? Huk by a landslide (from beta until now) Peak? Huk by a landslide. Fame? Huk by a landslide. Head to head? They've never faced each other so N/A. On January 05 2016 08:54 DonDomingo wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 Splynn wrote:On January 05 2016 07:50 DonDomingo wrote:
It's pretty obvious who remain:
LucifroN, Stephano, NaNiwa, Snute & Scarlett.
Question is in which order! If that is true then Huk is not in the top 15... And that is just wrong. I don't think Lucifron makes the cut here. He was really good, but doesn't quite have the results. No-one in their right mind who isn't trolling who knows even just a little about Starcrafrt would rate Huk over LucifroN. Clearly Jinro knows nothing about Starcraft he said he felt he didn't belong on the list he's obviously delusional :D But really, I meant more like if someone didn't include me I wouldn't consider it super strange.
It's only going to get harder from here on in comparing across eras. No idea how you're meant to compare an insane level of success in GSL (however brief) to anything achieved in the WCS world from 2015 onwards
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I'd rate IdrA #3 in my list for being able to keep up and be a top foreigner in a game that he didn't even like. Being super good with 0 passion? Now that's impressive
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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 05 2016 18:20 DinosaurPoop wrote:
I'd rate IdrA #3 in my list for being able to keep up and be a top foreigner in a game that he didn't even like. Being super good with 0 passion? Now that's impressive
By this logic, Genius is the greatest player of all time
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On January 05 2016 13:01 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 10:11 Ace Frehley wrote:On January 05 2016 04:25 nimdil wrote:
It will be weird with Scarlett in top 5 without a single premier title to her name but all things considered there's no way around it. I feel that nerchio and mana have more results to show than scarlet. They just didnt have the overhype going for them They all have about the same level of results, but you're right about the hype thing. My only disagreement with the writers so far is that 9th is too low for Nerchio.
He was damaged by BLord infestor age too much IMO. On the other hand - I couldn't find a player who's up there and is worse than Nerchio. In theory Scarlett, but she was really good and we haven't seen the top 5 yet, maybe she's not there 
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