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#1 is Stephano, he was one of only a few foreigners ever to legitimately be touted as the very best player in the world - a moniker he probably deserved. Could wreck-face like no other foreigner, tearing through Korea's finest like a flamethrower through a toilet paper factory.
#2 should be Huk, IMO. Like Stephano, he was touted as the best in the world from time to time, he won tournaments and really was the best protoss in the world for a stretch (followed by the mighty MC). He has also never truly dropped off. At the end of HotS he was still one of the best 5-10 foreigners, just like he has been since the frickin' beta. One of the highest peaks coupled an incredibly high "trough".
#3 would then be Naniwa - I'd have him only a little behind Huk. IMO though, his peak was lower and he wasn't as consistent over as long a time. Which is not to say he wasn't consistently brilliant for a pretty long time - but even in those times he was sometimes outshone by Huk and Stephano.
#4 here I'd have Scarlett. Her play just looked like there was a Korean behind the mouse and keyboard, superb player and in terms of pure peak skill, the best foreigner ever.
#5 then must be Snute who is awesome, but I'd have him just behind the other four.
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On January 05 2016 18:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 18:20 DinosaurPoop wrote:
I'd rate IdrA #3 in my list for being able to keep up and be a top foreigner in a game that he didn't even like. Being super good with 0 passion? Now that's impressive By this logic, Genius is the greatest player of all time
I knew it!
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On January 05 2016 18:36 althaz wrote:
#1 is Stephano, he was one of only a few foreigners ever to legitimately be touted as the very best player in the world - a moniker he probably deserved. Could wreck-face like no other foreigner, tearing through Korea's finest like a flamethrower through a toilet paper factory.
#2 should be Huk, IMO. Like Stephano, he was touted as the best in the world from time to time, he won tournaments and really was the best protoss in the world for a stretch (followed by the mighty MC). He has also never truly dropped off. At the end of HotS he was still one of the best 5-10 foreigners, just like he has been since the frickin' beta. One of the highest peaks coupled an incredibly high "trough".
#3 would then be Naniwa - I'd have him only a little behind Huk. IMO though, his peak was lower and he wasn't as consistent over as long a time. Which is not to say he wasn't consistently brilliant for a pretty long time - but even in those times he was sometimes outshone by Huk and Stephano.
#4 here I'd have Scarlett. Her play just looked like there was a Korean behind the mouse and keyboard, superb player and in terms of pure peak skill, the best foreigner ever.
#5 then must be Snute who is awesome, but I'd have him just behind the other four.
Naniwa dominated years 2011 and 2013(from foreigner view  ) and Huk dominated 2010 and was a threat in 2011. Naniwa's peak was actually longer - 2 years, Huk's peak was a year and something(2010 and partially 2011).
The bigger threat of those 2 for a longer time was Naniwa. Though Huk can get #2 by his GSL tries.
I think that the top 3 will be great topic for a flame war once revealed 
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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 05 2016 18:36 althaz wrote:
#2 should be Huk, IMO...At the end of HotS he was still one of the best 5-10 foreigners, just like he has been since the frickin' beta. One of the highest peaks coupled an incredibly high "trough".
Not to detract from his first couple of years or so, but Ro.32 + 2 challenger exits in WCS 2015 would suggest not.
It's difficult to suggest that he's been truly competitive since late 2012, but his longevity deserves some respect
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idra #7 xDDDDDD
“This is a joke. Fuck you.”
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#1 is Stephano, he was one of only a few foreigners ever to legitimately be touted as the very best player in the world - a moniker he probably deserved. Could wreck-face like no other foreigner, tearing through Korea's finest like a flamethrower through a toilet paper factory.
#2 should be Huk, IMO. Like Stephano, he was touted as the best in the world from time to time, he won tournaments and really was the best protoss in the world for a stretch (followed by the mighty MC). He has also never truly dropped off. At the end of HotS he was still one of the best 5-10 foreigners, just like he has been since the frickin' beta. One of the highest peaks coupled an incredibly high "trough".
I think you overrate the skillset these foreigners had. Stephano was never the best in the world, and Huk was probably never even in top10.
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Stephano was the one guy the Koreans were afraid of. Not because he could defeat them, but because it would ruin the expectation that Korean players generally smashed foreigner face. He was the exception. He was one of them, and they feared him for that.
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Nerchio
- 4th in earnings.
- 4th in winrate vs koreans
- Career goes basically from beta to today with consistent high level play.
I know Idra and Sen are legends but come on.
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Idra who ? Isn't he a NA popular streamer or something ? A pop star ? 
Excellent write up !
I just disagree with Nerchio so low and Idra so high. Maybe Scarlett is also a bit too high, but I'm fine with it.
The top 5 is obvious now I guess with
1) stephano
2) naniwa
3) huk
4) snute
5) scarlett
I am really looking forward to read what you have to say about them Stuchiu. Thanks for your good work
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Jinro? Thorzain? IdrA? No idea honestly, but IdrA hates sc2 so I think maybe Thorzain? Jinro just hasn't competed in sooo long.
Vortix and Lucifron are doing well enogh in Heroes and the others are still active. I'm really curious  .
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On January 06 2016 01:57 Musicus wrote:https://twitter.com/Kaelaris/status/684385372621684736Jinro? Thorzain? IdrA? No idea honestly, but IdrA hates sc2 so I think maybe Thorzain? Jinro just hasn't competed in sooo long. Vortix and Lucifron are doing well enogh in Heroes and the others are still active. I'm really curious .
Aaaah it is hard to predict :O
One can dream of Vortix or Lucifron. I always felt like they never reached their full potential, and they have such a huge raw talent.
I would not mind if it was Idra. That would be great for the NA scene and for the... entertainement overall
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If The rest would be: Scarlett, Snute, Huk, Naniwa & Stephano (they all seem legit) where is the place for WhiteRa? This dude was ON FIRE during WOL. What About MarineLord after last NW3?
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On January 06 2016 02:00 Ppjack wrote:Aaaah it is hard to predict :O One can dream of Vortix or Lucifron. I always felt like they never reached their full potential, and they have such a huge raw talent. I would not mind if it was Idra. That would be great for the NA scene and for the... entertainement overall
It would be indeed, but I just don't think it will happen.
I'm now 99% sure it's Thorzain after checking his twitter . I also think it's makes the most sense that Kaelaris would hear from Thorzain.
Edit: Kaelaris of course also has a lot of contact with Vortix and Lucifron through heroes, but I think they really like the game and are unlikely to quit.
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Thanks! I will speculate away .
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On January 05 2016 22:40 cheekymonkey wrote:
Stephano was the one guy the Koreans were afraid of. Not because he could defeat them, but because it would ruin the expectation that Korean players generally smashed foreigner face. He was the exception. He was one of them, and they feared him for that.
They respected and were just as afraid of Naniwa, especially during his GSL runs. The biggest question is if #1 is either Naniwa or Stephano at this point. Most people seem settled with 3-5 being Huk, Snute, and Scarlett.
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On January 06 2016 02:04 pieroog wrote:
If The rest would be: Scarlett, Snute, Huk, Naniwa & Stephano (they all seem legit) where is the place for WhiteRa? This dude was ON FIRE during WOL. What About MarineLord after last NW3?
MLord is good, but don't overjudge him based on 1 night. I expect him to be part of this discussion in a year, but not yet. White-Ra is probably just a bit short of top 15. I'd say (assuming, that Stephano, Naniwa, HuK, Snute and Scarlett are the top 5), that White-Ra, Xigua, TLO, Jim, Socke, Kas, Ret, Happy, Macseed and HasuObs are batteling for the rest of the top 20.
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I think it's noteworthy to mention that MaNa was in Code S.
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I don't think that you should read into Code S participation of foreigners too much as many of the seeds were given for free and the foreigners didn't actually qualify (Stephano was given a Code S seed, MaNa a Code A seed, I know Nerchio was offered a Code S seed too at one point, but it never got through his manager , Idr/dk about HuK or Naniwa)
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