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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 2 - Page 12

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 06 2016 19:59 GMT
#221
On January 06 2016 16:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 16:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:41 Dingodile wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:38 BronzeKnee wrote:
Why does part 2 come before part 1? I'm relatively sure the #1 is before the #2 when counting up in the number line...

We had part 1 two weeks ago with #11- #15 greatest.


It's even linked in the article


I don't actually read these articles, I click thru the rankings then rage when I disagree with them.

If TL ever dumps their rankings like Playboy dumped their nudes, then people like me would have absolutely no reason to open threads like this.

Carry on.

this is why we need like monthly power ranks
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 05:31:31
January 07 2016 05:09 GMT
#222
I loved it when we had power ranks more often. I just remember raging so hard after those fools said Innovation was so good and going to crush Maru, then Maru tore him a new one in the GSL semi-finals, totally swept him and made him look terrible (and naturally, I said Maru would win because I'm awesome, or because I'm biased against the elephants) and then Innovation was #1 in the power rank and Maru below him only a few days after Maru's GSL finals win.

Still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess we all have our biases.

On January 06 2016 18:06 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 16:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:41 Dingodile wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:38 BronzeKnee wrote:
Why does part 2 come before part 1? I'm relatively sure the #1 is before the #2 when counting up in the number line...

We had part 1 two weeks ago with #11- #15 greatest.


It's even linked in the article


I don't actually read these articles, I click thru the rankings then rage when I disagree with them.

If TL ever dumps their rankings like Playboy dumped their nudes, then people like me would have absolutely no reason to open threads like this.

Carry on.


You'll fit in well on the internet.


I try.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 07 2016 05:18 GMT
#223
that was OSL where maru completely embarrassed innovation
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 05:31:59
January 07 2016 05:29 GMT
#224
I actually can't read properly.

But I can say it was the Team Liquid power rank that proudly proclaimed Innovation to be #1 after that train wreck.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-07 05:36:09
January 07 2016 05:32 GMT
#225
the only PR i've been part of was the totally accurate valentine's day PR from last year
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
January 07 2016 05:54 GMT
#226
On January 07 2016 14:32 lichter wrote:
the only PR i've been part of was the totally accurate valentine's day PR from last year


I was robbed
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 07 2016 05:56 GMT
#227
On January 07 2016 14:09 BronzeKnee wrote:
I loved it when we had power ranks more often. I just remember raging so hard after those fools said Innovation was so good and going to crush Maru, then Maru tore him a new one in the GSL semi-finals, totally swept him and made him look terrible (and naturally, I said Maru would win because I'm awesome, or because I'm biased against the elephants) and then Innovation was #1 in the power rank and Maru below him only a few days after Maru's GSL finals win.

Still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess we all have our biases.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 18:06 Phredxor wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:41 Dingodile wrote:
On January 06 2016 16:38 BronzeKnee wrote:
Why does part 2 come before part 1? I'm relatively sure the #1 is before the #2 when counting up in the number line...

We had part 1 two weeks ago with #11- #15 greatest.


It's even linked in the article


I don't actually read these articles, I click thru the rankings then rage when I disagree with them.

If TL ever dumps their rankings like Playboy dumped their nudes, then people like me would have absolutely no reason to open threads like this.

Carry on.


You'll fit in well on the internet.


I try.


Maru > Innovation is usually correct but your logic also leads to ranking Seed above MC a year earlier.
A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 07 2016 21:57 GMT
#228
Great list teamliquid. Looking forward to last part. When come out?
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
January 09 2016 12:38 GMT
#229
would take any of 6-10 apart from maybe vortix over scarlett tbqh
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sfbaydave
Profile Joined May 2011
United States32 Posts
January 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#230
This guy missed some important wins by Idra.
He also won an IPL in 2001, making him the only foreigner to win an MLG, IEM, and IPL.
He should be top 5.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 13:36:47
January 11 2016 13:22 GMT
#231
the IPL he won was a very inclusive invite only proof-of-concept style event.

this was it here.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_1

how many guys in this "Best of the West" event went on to make it onto TL.Net's top list of all time best foriegners? not many.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
January 11 2016 14:04 GMT
#232
On January 11 2016 20:05 sfbaydave wrote:
This guy missed some important wins by Idra.
He also won an IPL in 2001, making him the only foreigner to win an MLG, IEM, and IPL.
He should be top 5.

Wow impressive he was the best american player, make him top 1 already
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 14:16:55
January 11 2016 14:09 GMT
#233
well, Avilo deserves to be #2 ... and he is better than Avilo.. so i don't know how much more proof you need
more seriously, i don't think Idra deserves to be in the top 5... he is placed about where he should be on this list.

also, the prize pool for the 1st ever proof-of-concept IPL event was only $5000 and the entire thing from start to finish was online. so grouping that 1st IPL "event" in with the other IPLs held in Las Vegas and then saying "Idra won an IPL" is a big, big stretch.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Fullmetal_Bawie
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia7 Posts
January 11 2016 14:47 GMT
#234
"Idra's achievements were slightly behind MaNa in the grand scheme of things, like Nerchio. However a majority of Idra's wins came during the early phases of WoL when Zerg was weak."

Really? so brood lord infestor was bad?
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6272 Posts
January 11 2016 14:51 GMT
#235
BL infestor was in the end of WoL. Zerg was weak at the start lf WoL which is why Fruitdealers GSL win is considered so impressive.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
January 11 2016 14:52 GMT
#236
On January 11 2016 23:47 Fullmetal_Bawie wrote:
"Idra's achievements were slightly behind MaNa in the grand scheme of things, like Nerchio. However a majority of Idra's wins came during the early phases of WoL when Zerg was weak."

Really? so brood lord infestor was bad?


It literally says "EARLY phases of WoL".
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 15:15:47
January 11 2016 14:54 GMT
#237
On January 11 2016 23:51 RvB wrote:
BL infestor was in the end of WoL. Zerg was weak at the start lf WoL which is why Fruitdealers GSL win is considered so impressive.

I still think it was just the biggest throw by intotherainbow and also Ultralisks had that bug where they would splash incredibly, depending on how big the target it was hitting was. Definitely remember watching an Ultralisk wipe a mineral line, due to this bug...
Still nonetheless he probably deserved to win.

Edit: nvm I must've been thinking about the semi finals, in the finals Fruitdealer actually just toys with him!
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cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
January 11 2016 21:24 GMT
#238
Zerg wasn't bad in early WoL, it was just more difficult to play the race.
Nisticism
Profile Joined May 2015
41 Posts
January 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#239
I think the list is wrong but has some of the right players.

My list would be:

1. Stephano
2. Naniwa
3. Snute
4. Nerchio
5. Huk
6. Mana
7. Sen
8. Scarlett
9. Thorzain
10. Vortix/Lucifron.

Idra might be 11. He would be higher if we were counting more than just the sc2 career.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 16:35:47
January 12 2016 16:34 GMT
#240
On January 13 2016 01:24 Nisticism wrote:
I think the list is wrong but has some of the right players.

My list would be:

1. Stephano
2. Naniwa
3. Snute
4. Nerchio
5. Huk
6. Mana
7. Sen
8. Scarlett
9. Thorzain
10. Vortix/Lucifron.

Idra might be 11. He would be higher if we were counting more than just the sc2 career.

In that case, Grubby, ToD and Lucifron are easily Top3. All other former wc3 (except HoT) are not worth to count their wc3 performance in that ranking.
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