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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 26 2015 03:32 nimdil wrote: 4. IdrA - I feel he will land around here but I will always remember him because of this. EG lost any credibility in my eyes when they rehired him as HotS player. If you remember him for getting fired and not for his actual results, why would you put him on nr.4? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
Other than that, well here's an article that will ignite passionate debates. Disappointed it isn't the top 15 greatest French players of all time though | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On December 26 2015 06:06 OtherWorld wrote: Typo on the TL.net front page, "forigners" instead of "foreigners" in the small preview box. Other than that, well here's an article that will ignite passionate debates. Disappointed it isn't the top 15 greatest French players of all time though 1. Stephano 2. FireCake | ||
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Dingodile
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3 Huk winning MLG Orlando Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational | ||
nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
On December 26 2015 05:47 Xoronius wrote: If you remember him for getting fired and not for his actual results, why would you put him on nr.4? I remember his results and his strong play but I will always remember him for his awful behaviour. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
On December 26 2015 06:28 jalstar wrote: What were the most impressive premier tournament wins by foreigners, in your memory? Mine were: Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3 Huk winning MLG Orlando Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational The IPL3 win was not super impressive, imo, I was there. The top Koreans that were there choked HARD, Slayers brought their A squad, Boxer included, but Stephano never ran into them; his opponent in the finals was Lucky... (yeah...who?), and it was a boring steamroll (after a really long boring exhibition match of some MOBA I thought would never take off by the silly name of League of Legends...) NASL I didn't watch so I don't know, but HuK's MLG win was pretty impressive, and I would add Thorzain taking down Polt at Dreamhack | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46484 Posts
On December 26 2015 07:06 jubil wrote: The IPL3 win was not super impressive, imo, I was there. The top Koreans that were there choked HARD, Slayers brought their A squad, Boxer included, but Stephano never ran into them; his opponent in the finals was Lucky... (yeah...who?), and it was a boring steamroll (after a really long boring exhibition match of some MOBA I thought would never take off by the silly name of League of Legends...) NASL I didn't watch so I don't know, but HuK's MLG win was pretty impressive, and I would add Thorzain taking down Polt at Dreamhack I was there too! And I literally fell asleep during that MOBA interruption, before the grand finals. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 26 2015 06:28 jalstar wrote: What were the most impressive premier tournament wins by foreigners, in your memory? Mine were: Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3 Huk winning MLG Orlando Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational I think HSC 5 is up there. Nerchio beating MC (who was in GSL ro8 at that time and would go on to make the final, 3-0ing DRG in the semis a week after HSC took place) and murdering Yonghwa was quite impressive. Still remembering the hatch save on Ohana as a symbol for that series. | ||
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Bernabus1
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alukarD
Mexico396 Posts
Stephano Naniwa Huk These players had it all: The skill, the fame, the results, the "moments", and the drama. | ||
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
Consistency + Higher peaks + Success in/out of Korea = Naniwa best foreigner. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 26 2015 09:42 Yonnua wrote: Naniwa beating Mvp, Nestea (when they were the best players in the world, as told to us by TL writers in the GOAT article), and DRG (GSL champion a couple of months later) all in the same weekend is indisputably a bigger achievement than anything that Stephano did, and Naniwa was consistently around the top (at least of the foreign scene) between 2011 and 2014. Stephano had a much smaller period of dominance and never competed in the GSL, other than when he was knocked out in round one. Consistency + Higher peaks + Success in/out of Korea = Naniwa best foreigner. To be fair, he got knocked out by losing to Innovations vZ twice. Not really something, he has to be ashamed for. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
EDIT: LOL at the comment above mine  just fucking announce #1 and get it over and done with haha fkin TL.... He could be tied for one of the most influential players to play Starcraft in general. Who the fuck could just go freestyle and 'feel' the game like he could....he introduced a beautiful freedom into the game | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 26 2015 14:38 stuchiu wrote: Most people don't associate freedom with bl/infestor People do associate "free" with BL/Infestor though. Free wins :D | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 25 2015 01:31 Scorch wrote: I disagree with Jinro being so low. If we skip ahead to the #1 position, there are really only two candidates for me: Stephano and Jinro. Stephano had a long era of foreign domination, lots of tournament wins and could consistently go toe to toe with Koreans. Jinro, at his peak, had real impact in the most prestigious tournament in the motherland, which is a feat noone else ever came close to repeating. How one compares the value of these achievements is subjective, and I, too, would favor Stephano, but #12 is certainly too low for Jinro. Thanks but I wasn't even sure I would be on this list lol D: I think if my 3 tournament placings had happened 1 or 2 years later, you could argue I should be higher but the scene was so young at the time, I think they should be 'devalued' a little bit at least. Doesn't mean I'm not proud of those two GSL semi finals, of course  On December 25 2015 17:59 kottbullar wrote: Doesn't carry the same amount of hype as the GOAT list since #1 is pretty clear. I guess #2-4 rankings would be interesting to see though. To all the Jinro fans out here, as much as I love the guy his period of dominance was very very short in comparison to others. Likewise, he had very little impact on the meta (Puma was the much more prominent 1-1-1 user of that era). I didn't even play the traditional 1-1-1 at first, the version I preferred was the Brat_OK one with ravens and bio instead of tanks. I like to think I popularized blue flame hellion drops in TvT on the korean ladder tho (indirectly, it was before I'd really made it into anything, but nobody was using blue flame hellion builds TvT when I got to Korea and after I started using them a lot on ladder, suddenly it was one of the like 3 standard TvT openings for a while). One of my favorite memories from around this time was hearing oGsTOP complaining about how he can't beat the bio guys TvT on ladder (specifically bomber and marineking).... I'm like "Really? I think bio openers are pretty easy to beat". So TOP, who at this time is like top 5 KR GM (which was far higher than me rofl) tells me to login to his account and play some games so he can watch. Mentally Im like "oh crap my big mouth", but I say "OK". First game I get MarineKing, cloak banshee into blue flame hellion drop into sick game win. 2nd game Bomber, same thing. Looked pretty boss IMO even though it involved a fuck ton of luck :D EDIT: Then around the time I was playing Marineking in the GSL semis, I was experimenting with this fucking BATTLECRUSIER tank 1 base push on scrap station with an SCV pull, knocking down the rocks (it won some games but was really inconsistent), TOP - who at this point was a really strong TvT:er and avid blueflame hellion user - was like "why dont you just use the blueflame hellion into banshee build..?". Which I did for game 1 which I won. Full circle : ) Disappointed about the Jungle Basin game tho, I had this really interesting mech build planned (nobody meched TvT at this time except goody lol), but it was such a new build that it didn't have all the kinks worked out and I got flustered and screwed it up when MKP did something I didn't expect. It was really similar to some of the later day double armory mech styles tho, and it worked well in practice vs Select and some others (split map gameplan fairly strong on jungle basin). Also remember having like a 4-5 game TvT marathon with MVP on the ladder when he first started climbing it (just before I made GSL for the first time), and a ton of long TvTs vs boxer, also on ladder... Man I'd forgotten how cool ladder was around that time. Speaking of ladder builds, while my blue flame hellion TvT style got a little bit popular, dario's 1/1/1 one gas TvT marine/hellion/medivac opener became THE build when he used it on ladder. It was insane, almost every good korean terran would use it at least sometimes. Spunky was like "in the future, never use your good builds on the ladder dario wtf" :D | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On December 26 2015 17:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Thanks but I wasn't even sure I would be on this list lol D: I think if my 3 tournament placings had happened 1 or 2 years later, you could argue I should be higher but the scene was so young at the time, I think they should be 'devalued' a little bit at least. Doesn't mean I'm not proud of those two GSL semi finals, of course I didn't even play the traditional 1-1-1 at first, the version I preferred was the Brat_OK one with ravens and bio instead of tanks. I like to think I popularized blue flame hellion drops in TvT on the korean ladder tho (indirectly, it was before I'd really made it into anything, but nobody was using blue flame hellion builds TvT when I got to Korea and after I started using them a lot on ladder, suddenly it was one of the like 3 standard TvT openings for a while). One of my favorite memories from around this time was hearing oGsTOP complaining about how he can't beat the bio guys TvT on ladder (specifically bomber and marineking).... I'm like "Really? I think bio openers are pretty easy to beat". So TOP, who at this time is like top 5 KR GM (which was far higher than me rofl) tells me to login to his account and play some games so he can watch. Mentally Im like "oh crap my big mouth", but I say "OK". First game I get MarineKing, cloak banshee into blue flame hellion drop into sick game win. 2nd game Bomber, same thing. Looked pretty boss IMO even though it involved a fuck ton of luck :D EDIT: Then around the time I was playing Marineking in the GSL semis, I was experimenting with this fucking BATTLECRUSIER tank 1 base push on scrap station with an SCV pull, knocking down the rocks (it won some games but was really inconsistent), TOP - who at this point was a really strong TvT:er and avid blueflame hellion user - was like "why dont you just use the blueflame hellion into banshee build..?". Which I did for game 1 which I won. Full circle : ) Disappointed about the Jungle Basin game tho, I had this really interesting mech build planned (nobody meched TvT at this time except goody lol), but it was such a new build that it didn't have all the kinks worked out and I got flustered and screwed it up when MKP did something I didn't expect. It was really similar to some of the later day double armory mech styles tho, and it worked well in practice vs Select and some others (split map gameplan fairly strong on jungle basin). Also remember having like a 4-5 game TvT marathon with MVP on the ladder when he first started climbing it (just before I made GSL for the first time), and a ton of long TvTs vs boxer, also on ladder... Man I'd forgotten how cool ladder was around that time. Speaking of ladder builds, while my blue flame hellion TvT style got a little bit popular, dario's 1/1/1 one gas TvT marine/hellion/medivac opener became THE build when he used it on ladder. It was insane, almost every good korean terran would use it at least sometimes. Spunky was like "in the future, never use your good builds on the ladder dario wtf" :D Had you made a double Ro4 in a row in 2012 there would not even be a question of the #1 spot Sure your reign was short but you were one of the very few who could have won the big thing, the field may have been weaker but still you beat the greats of your time (I will never forget MC GSL January 2011). A feat only been achieve by so few. | ||
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