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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 1 - Page 9

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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 25 2015 20:47 GMT
#161
On December 26 2015 03:32 nimdil wrote:
4. IdrA - I feel he will land around here but I will always remember him because of this. EG lost any credibility in my eyes when they rehired him as HotS player.

If you remember him for getting fired and not for his actual results, why would you put him on nr.4?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 21:06:52
December 25 2015 21:06 GMT
#162
Typo on the TL.net front page, "forigners" instead of "foreigners" in the small preview box.
Other than that, well here's an article that will ignite passionate debates. Disappointed it isn't the top 15 greatest French players of all time though
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 21:08:43
December 25 2015 21:08 GMT
#163
On December 26 2015 06:06 OtherWorld wrote:
Typo on the TL.net front page, "forigners" instead of "foreigners" in the small preview box.
Other than that, well here's an article that will ignite passionate debates. Disappointed it isn't the top 15 greatest French players of all time though

1. Stephano
2. FireCake
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
December 25 2015 21:19 GMT
#164
We need an article about top10 of most magnetic attraction foreigners.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 25 2015 21:28 GMT
#165
What were the most impressive premier tournament wins by foreigners, in your memory? Mine were:

Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3
Huk winning MLG Orlando
Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
December 25 2015 21:31 GMT
#166
On December 26 2015 05:47 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 03:32 nimdil wrote:
4. IdrA - I feel he will land around here but I will always remember him because of this. EG lost any credibility in my eyes when they rehired him as HotS player.

If you remember him for getting fired and not for his actual results, why would you put him on nr.4?

I remember his results and his strong play but I will always remember him for his awful behaviour.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
December 25 2015 22:06 GMT
#167
On December 26 2015 06:28 jalstar wrote:
What were the most impressive premier tournament wins by foreigners, in your memory? Mine were:

Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3
Huk winning MLG Orlando
Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational

The IPL3 win was not super impressive, imo, I was there. The top Koreans that were there choked HARD, Slayers brought their A squad, Boxer included, but Stephano never ran into them; his opponent in the finals was Lucky... (yeah...who?), and it was a boring steamroll (after a really long boring exhibition match of some MOBA I thought would never take off by the silly name of League of Legends...)

NASL I didn't watch so I don't know, but HuK's MLG win was pretty impressive, and I would add Thorzain taking down Polt at Dreamhack
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44915 Posts
December 25 2015 22:17 GMT
#168
On December 26 2015 07:06 jubil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 06:28 jalstar wrote:
What were the most impressive premier tournament wins by foreigners, in your memory? Mine were:

Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3
Huk winning MLG Orlando
Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational

The IPL3 win was not super impressive, imo, I was there. The top Koreans that were there choked HARD, Slayers brought their A squad, Boxer included, but Stephano never ran into them; his opponent in the finals was Lucky... (yeah...who?), and it was a boring steamroll (after a really long boring exhibition match of some MOBA I thought would never take off by the silly name of League of Legends...)

NASL I didn't watch so I don't know, but HuK's MLG win was pretty impressive, and I would add Thorzain taking down Polt at Dreamhack


I was there too!

And I literally fell asleep during that MOBA interruption, before the grand finals.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 25 2015 23:26 GMT
#169
On December 26 2015 06:28 jalstar wrote:
What were the most impressive premier tournament wins by foreigners, in your memory? Mine were:

Stephano winning IPL 3 and NASL 3
Huk winning MLG Orlando
Naniwa winning the MLG Global Invitational

I think HSC 5 is up there. Nerchio beating MC (who was in GSL ro8 at that time and would go on to make the final, 3-0ing DRG in the semis a week after HSC took place) and murdering Yonghwa was quite impressive. Still remembering the hatch save on Ohana as a symbol for that series.
Bernabus1
Profile Joined August 2015
4 Posts
December 26 2015 00:04 GMT
#170
Nice to see Jinro in his rightful place. One of the most overrated players of all time.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
December 26 2015 00:33 GMT
#171
Greatest foreigners title fits most to

Stephano
Naniwa
Huk

These players had it all: The skill, the fame, the results, the "moments", and the drama.
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Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
December 26 2015 00:34 GMT
#172
I don't think Huk is on the same level drama wise thought.
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
December 26 2015 00:42 GMT
#173
Naniwa beating Mvp, Nestea (when they were the best players in the world, as told to us by TL writers in the GOAT article), and DRG (GSL champion a couple of months later) all in the same weekend is indisputably a bigger achievement than anything that Stephano did, and Naniwa was consistently around the top (at least of the foreign scene) between 2011 and 2014. Stephano had a much smaller period of dominance and never competed in the GSL, other than when he was knocked out in round one.

Consistency + Higher peaks + Success in/out of Korea = Naniwa best foreigner.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 26 2015 00:46 GMT
#174
On December 26 2015 09:42 Yonnua wrote:
Naniwa beating Mvp, Nestea (when they were the best players in the world, as told to us by TL writers in the GOAT article), and DRG (GSL champion a couple of months later) all in the same weekend is indisputably a bigger achievement than anything that Stephano did, and Naniwa was consistently around the top (at least of the foreign scene) between 2011 and 2014. Stephano had a much smaller period of dominance and never competed in the GSL, other than when he was knocked out in round one.

Consistency + Higher peaks + Success in/out of Korea = Naniwa best foreigner.

To be fair, he got knocked out by losing to Innovations vZ twice. Not really something, he has to be ashamed for.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 26 2015 04:37 GMT
#175
If Stephano doesn't get #1, I will make very negative posts on TL.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-26 05:24:52
December 26 2015 05:22 GMT
#176
If Stephano is not #1 then the world will explode

EDIT: LOL at the comment above mine

just fucking announce #1 and get it over and done with haha fkin TL....

He could be tied for one of the most influential players to play Starcraft in general. Who the fuck could just go freestyle and 'feel' the game like he could....he introduced a beautiful freedom into the game
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 26 2015 05:38 GMT
#177
Most people don't associate freedom with bl/infestor
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 26 2015 05:40 GMT
#178
On December 26 2015 14:38 stuchiu wrote:
Most people don't associate freedom with bl/infestor

People do associate "free" with BL/Infestor though. Free wins :D
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-26 08:31:27
December 26 2015 08:04 GMT
#179
On December 25 2015 01:31 Scorch wrote:
I disagree with Jinro being so low. If we skip ahead to the #1 position, there are really only two candidates for me: Stephano and Jinro. Stephano had a long era of foreign domination, lots of tournament wins and could consistently go toe to toe with Koreans. Jinro, at his peak, had real impact in the most prestigious tournament in the motherland, which is a feat noone else ever came close to repeating. How one compares the value of these achievements is subjective, and I, too, would favor Stephano, but #12 is certainly too low for Jinro.

Thanks but I wasn't even sure I would be on this list lol D:

I think if my 3 tournament placings had happened 1 or 2 years later, you could argue I should be higher but the scene was so young at the time, I think they should be 'devalued' a little bit at least.

Doesn't mean I'm not proud of those two GSL semi finals, of course

On December 25 2015 17:59 kottbullar wrote:
Doesn't carry the same amount of hype as the GOAT list since #1 is pretty clear. I guess #2-4 rankings would be interesting to see though.

To all the Jinro fans out here, as much as I love the guy his period of dominance was very very short in comparison to others. Likewise, he had very little impact on the meta (Puma was the much more prominent 1-1-1 user of that era).

I didn't even play the traditional 1-1-1 at first, the version I preferred was the Brat_OK one with ravens and bio instead of tanks.

I like to think I popularized blue flame hellion drops in TvT on the korean ladder tho (indirectly, it was before I'd really made it into anything, but nobody was using blue flame hellion builds TvT when I got to Korea and after I started using them a lot on ladder, suddenly it was one of the like 3 standard TvT openings for a while).

One of my favorite memories from around this time was hearing oGsTOP complaining about how he can't beat the bio guys TvT on ladder (specifically bomber and marineking).... I'm like "Really? I think bio openers are pretty easy to beat". So TOP, who at this time is like top 5 KR GM (which was far higher than me rofl) tells me to login to his account and play some games so he can watch.

Mentally Im like "oh crap my big mouth", but I say "OK". First game I get MarineKing, cloak banshee into blue flame hellion drop into sick game win. 2nd game Bomber, same thing. Looked pretty boss IMO even though it involved a fuck ton of luck :D

EDIT: Then around the time I was playing Marineking in the GSL semis, I was experimenting with this fucking BATTLECRUSIER tank 1 base push on scrap station with an SCV pull, knocking down the rocks (it won some games but was really inconsistent), TOP - who at this point was a really strong TvT:er and avid blueflame hellion user - was like "why dont you just use the blueflame hellion into banshee build..?". Which I did for game 1 which I won. Full circle : )

Disappointed about the Jungle Basin game tho, I had this really interesting mech build planned (nobody meched TvT at this time except goody lol), but it was such a new build that it didn't have all the kinks worked out and I got flustered and screwed it up when MKP did something I didn't expect. It was really similar to some of the later day double armory mech styles tho, and it worked well in practice vs Select and some others (split map gameplan fairly strong on jungle basin).

Also remember having like a 4-5 game TvT marathon with MVP on the ladder when he first started climbing it (just before I made GSL for the first time), and a ton of long TvTs vs boxer, also on ladder... Man I'd forgotten how cool ladder was around that time.

Speaking of ladder builds, while my blue flame hellion TvT style got a little bit popular, dario's 1/1/1 one gas TvT marine/hellion/medivac opener became THE build when he used it on ladder. It was insane, almost every good korean terran would use it at least sometimes.

Spunky was like "in the future, never use your good builds on the ladder dario wtf" :D
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
December 26 2015 10:38 GMT
#180
On December 26 2015 17:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 01:31 Scorch wrote:
I disagree with Jinro being so low. If we skip ahead to the #1 position, there are really only two candidates for me: Stephano and Jinro. Stephano had a long era of foreign domination, lots of tournament wins and could consistently go toe to toe with Koreans. Jinro, at his peak, had real impact in the most prestigious tournament in the motherland, which is a feat noone else ever came close to repeating. How one compares the value of these achievements is subjective, and I, too, would favor Stephano, but #12 is certainly too low for Jinro.

Thanks but I wasn't even sure I would be on this list lol D:

I think if my 3 tournament placings had happened 1 or 2 years later, you could argue I should be higher but the scene was so young at the time, I think they should be 'devalued' a little bit at least.

Doesn't mean I'm not proud of those two GSL semi finals, of course

Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 17:59 kottbullar wrote:
Doesn't carry the same amount of hype as the GOAT list since #1 is pretty clear. I guess #2-4 rankings would be interesting to see though.

To all the Jinro fans out here, as much as I love the guy his period of dominance was very very short in comparison to others. Likewise, he had very little impact on the meta (Puma was the much more prominent 1-1-1 user of that era).

I didn't even play the traditional 1-1-1 at first, the version I preferred was the Brat_OK one with ravens and bio instead of tanks.

I like to think I popularized blue flame hellion drops in TvT on the korean ladder tho (indirectly, it was before I'd really made it into anything, but nobody was using blue flame hellion builds TvT when I got to Korea and after I started using them a lot on ladder, suddenly it was one of the like 3 standard TvT openings for a while).

One of my favorite memories from around this time was hearing oGsTOP complaining about how he can't beat the bio guys TvT on ladder (specifically bomber and marineking).... I'm like "Really? I think bio openers are pretty easy to beat". So TOP, who at this time is like top 5 KR GM (which was far higher than me rofl) tells me to login to his account and play some games so he can watch.

Mentally Im like "oh crap my big mouth", but I say "OK". First game I get MarineKing, cloak banshee into blue flame hellion drop into sick game win. 2nd game Bomber, same thing. Looked pretty boss IMO even though it involved a fuck ton of luck :D

EDIT: Then around the time I was playing Marineking in the GSL semis, I was experimenting with this fucking BATTLECRUSIER tank 1 base push on scrap station with an SCV pull, knocking down the rocks (it won some games but was really inconsistent), TOP - who at this point was a really strong TvT:er and avid blueflame hellion user - was like "why dont you just use the blueflame hellion into banshee build..?". Which I did for game 1 which I won. Full circle : )

Disappointed about the Jungle Basin game tho, I had this really interesting mech build planned (nobody meched TvT at this time except goody lol), but it was such a new build that it didn't have all the kinks worked out and I got flustered and screwed it up when MKP did something I didn't expect. It was really similar to some of the later day double armory mech styles tho, and it worked well in practice vs Select and some others (split map gameplan fairly strong on jungle basin).

Also remember having like a 4-5 game TvT marathon with MVP on the ladder when he first started climbing it (just before I made GSL for the first time), and a ton of long TvTs vs boxer, also on ladder... Man I'd forgotten how cool ladder was around that time.

Speaking of ladder builds, while my blue flame hellion TvT style got a little bit popular, dario's 1/1/1 one gas TvT marine/hellion/medivac opener became THE build when he used it on ladder. It was insane, almost every good korean terran would use it at least sometimes.

Spunky was like "in the future, never use your good builds on the ladder dario wtf" :D


Had you made a double Ro4 in a row in 2012 there would not even be a question of the #1 spot
Sure your reign was short but you were one of the very few who could have won the big thing, the field may have been weaker but still you beat the greats of your time (I will never forget MC GSL January 2011). A feat only been achieve by so few.
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