EPTThe Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 1 - Page 10
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Moonsalt
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Promised_pain
Finland61 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
On December 26 2015 23:08 Promised_pain wrote: People doubting Stephano have no idea, the guy was best foreigner by far. He pretty much revolutionized ZvP play back in the day, he could easily beat any TOP KOREAN player. Actually, he played in ProLeague for EG-TL, beating players such as Effort, herO, sOs, Bbyong and Terminator. Yeah, you could argue that Zerg was the strongest race at the time, but still no other foreigner came even close - not even Nerchio. The biggest difference between Stephano and HuK / Nani was far worse results in preparation format. | ||
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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
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Poopi
France13022 Posts
On December 26 2015 23:10 nimdil wrote: The biggest difference between Stephano and HuK / Nani was far worse results in preparation format. HuK had "results" in the GSL around the same time as Jinro afaik, a bit after maybe. Stephano didn't give a lot of shit about preparation format, he didn't even bother to scout and died to a 2rax vs INnovation, but I don't remember his results as terrible either in this format? I'd say his somewhat relevance with EG-TL and the decent job in the GSL group compensates for what HuK have done in the GSL because it was later, but NaNi indeed had good results in code S. Stephano didn't abuse broodlord infestor that much iirc, the unit he abused a lot in order to have decent results with very little practice was the swarm host in HotS but he was already retired so it makes sense? I think both VortiX and Ret will be in the top 10. 1. Stephano 2. NaNiwa 3. Snute 4. HuK 5. Scarlett 6. MaNa 7. VortiX 8. Nerchio 9. SEn 10. Ret So many foreigner zergs :x. I put Scarlett a bit lower because even though she had a very good level at some point apparently she didn't won any premier so HuK has to be put higher. Snute is now the second highest foreigner in earnings and has been the best foreigner at some points of HotS, beaten good koreans etc, but I would still put NaNi higher. HuK was far lower in my first batch when I first read the top 11-15 but since then I have looked at some players/tourney instead of relying on memories, and 4th seems like the right spot. I'm pretty sure VortiX will be lower than Nerchio because we still see Nerchio in LotV and stuff but VortiX was a monster at some points, carrying in teamleagues vs koreans (zerg was strong at the time though), however for the same reason as Scarlett vs HuK I have to put MaNa higher than him, more achievements. Nerchio had good results online and has had, albeit later, good results offline too, SEn was very scary in the early days, and Ret had surprisingly good results so he deserves to be in there. I didn't put IdrA in because at the beginning of the game he had similar results as Jinro but less good, then at times he had decent showings in MLG when Z was good but worse than other top foreigner zergs, etc... Can't put him above Jinro or ThoRZaiN (sry spelling) really. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On December 26 2015 23:10 nimdil wrote: The biggest difference between Stephano and HuK / Nani was far worse results in preparation format. My guess is if Jinro is ranked outside of the top 10 for consecutive Ro4 GSL appearances, it doesn't bode well for Naniwa capturing the #1 spot given he was only a Ro8 showing | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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redloser
Korea (South)1751 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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showBanquo
Sweden182 Posts
On December 25 2015 05:38 vult wrote: Idk Top5 will be a tossup i think--My predictions for top 10 are possibly: 1. NaNiwa 2. Stephano 3. HuK 4. Snute 5. Scarlett 6. Sen 7. Nerchio 8. VortiX 9. MaNa 10. TLO This (given what who we already excluded) lines up pretty well who I personally think is the top 10 foreigners. However from experience of TL (e.g. "player of the year" and other posts) I am not sure Naniwa will be #1 maybe not even top 2 (in which case I'd have to disagree very firmly). As many other itt I think Nani and Stephano are clear top 2, followed by HuK, Scarlett Snute. However they might put one of these above Naniwa (I hope not). Let's wait and see  Oh and it was a very nice read this far! edit: The reason I put Naniwa on top is his GSL Results (he was very very close to beating DRG in their match), him beating MVP and Nestea in/close to their primes, beating Innovation (in good form) and his consistency. Stephano had shorter reign, and mostly had good results in foreign tournaments (even though he beat some good koreans). Naniwa crushed Scarlett in the bitcoin showmatch (in her prime). In short Naniwa beat stronger players than Stephano did, had longer reign and showed good results in GSL. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17895 Posts
On December 27 2015 02:39 Hot_Bid wrote: Grrrr #1 grrrr cuts teh best promos ever... | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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Poopi
France13022 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 27 2015 08:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: IMO, the fight for #1 will be tense between Stephano and NaNiwa, while IdrA and HuK will fight for the #3 spot. Can't wait, exciting list. If I may ask, how does Idra get this high? His biggest tournament win was probably IEM Guangzhou and the finals there was against elfi. I'd be very surprised to see him on the list at all tbh., because I can't see him being ranked above ThorZaIN. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
On December 27 2015 05:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote: grrrr cuts teh best promos ever... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlqBWZat0_k Thanks for posting this video, it was a cool watch! | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 27 2015 09:56 Xoronius wrote: If I may ask, how does Idra get this high? His biggest tournament win was probably IEM Guangzhou and the finals there was against elfi. I'd be very surprised to see him on the list at all tbh., because I can't see him being ranked above ThorZaIN. I would be very surprised if Idra is in the top 10. Idra was a very popular player, that didn't necessarily mean he had top-4 (or even top 10) foreigner results of all time. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
If we talk about "best" I think Naniwa has a bigger chance to be #1 than in "greatest" vs Stephano. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
On December 27 2015 09:56 Xoronius wrote: If I may ask, how does Idra get this high? His biggest tournament win was probably IEM Guangzhou and the finals there was against elfi. I'd be very surprised to see him on the list at all tbh., because I can't see him being ranked above ThorZaIN. To be fair I don't think it's easy to justify 10 foreigners over ThorZaIN. IdrA for a long time was top3 foreigner which this ranking is all about. He was arguably the best initially (although the scene was fragmented so who knows), then 2nd behind Jinro, then 2nd-3rd behind HuK/NaNi and then probably 4th behind Stephano HuK and Nani. Assuming my assessment is correct he was top foreigner for over a year. But perhaps this is blowing his results out of proportion due to lack of maturity of the scene. Still he should be top10 over i.e. Ret. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On December 26 2015 09:46 Xoronius wrote: To be fair, he got knocked out by losing to Innovations vZ twice. Not really something, he has to be ashamed for. In late 2012? Losing to any terrans at that period is not good on your resume. That said, Stephano definitely did have a relatively long period of being the best foreigner (at least a year). So no doubt he should be #1. | ||
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