EPTMvp didnt know how to play TvP, but he knew how to play bo5s, bo7s and the player.
The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 2 - Page 4
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Mvp didnt know how to play TvP, but he knew how to play bo5s, bo7s and the player. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On January 04 2016 09:32 stuchiu wrote: I dont think Mvp ever had TvP fixed. He was using a bunch of mind games predicated on his opponents psychosis, their knowledge of him and basically just sucker punched his way past naniwa, parting and squirtle. Mvp didnt know how to play TvP, but he knew how to play bo5s, bo7s and the player. For me this is what describes the best players and not "he knew how to play tvp" xD | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On January 04 2016 09:32 stuchiu wrote: I dont think Mvp ever had TvP fixed. He was using a bunch of mind games predicated on his opponents psychosis, their knowledge of him and basically just sucker punched his way past naniwa, parting and squirtle. Mvp didnt know how to play TvP, but he knew how to play bo5s, bo7s and the player. That was also my impression at the time, and I kept waiting for him to lose in actual macro games since it didn't feel like his unit control was good enough, but I still can't argue that he kept being relevant for much longer than what I thought. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On January 04 2016 10:08 Big J wrote: zzz... you made me rewatch Mvp games. Such a strategical player, no Terran ever impressed me like that again. INnoVation comes close I guess. Yeh, and I would even give him credit for inventing bio splitting though it was Marineking that popularized it. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Baggins
Canada86 Posts
5. Scarlett 4. Snute 3. Huk 2. Nani 1. Stephano I think 1/2 is the hardest though because Naniwa could just as easily take it | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
On January 04 2016 07:01 Nerchio wrote: lol dota | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
On January 04 2016 11:15 Nerchio wrote: TL writers seem pretty Korea-pro so I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa was #1 xD TL writers have become korean over time. Stuchiu completed the transformation a long time ago I am sure ! | ||
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mrhobbers
109 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 04 2016 11:15 Nerchio wrote: TL writers seem pretty Korea-pro so I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa was #1 xD But Jinro is too low if they used a consistent criteria. Back to back GSL Ro4 is incredible for a foreigner | ||
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Payson
United States394 Posts
Based off of this, my final five would probably go: 1) Naniwa 2) Stephano 3) HuK 4) Snute 5) Scarlett The biggest case I can make for Naniwa is how long he has lasted in this scene and at one point was basically considered the best foreigner we had seen in a long time during his GSL runs. I know Stephano had his tenure of success but I honestly think Naniwa went all out when trying to be the best player in the world at one point. We never got to see Stephano go to Korea for a long period of time and really train in that environment, while we saw players like HuK and Naniwa take the plunge and get incredible results. Stephano only made it through GSL Code S Ro32 once, then got knocked out of Code A immediately afterwards. He did post a 6-5 record in Proleague, which is extremely solid with the EG-Liquid alliance that went on that year, but I'm not sure if that can compare to Naniwa's two GSL Ro8 runs, one ro32, and three Code A runs. Stephano definitely trumps Naniwa in prize money earned between the two, but I never got the sense that he faced nearly the competition and kept his skill level to what Nani did. I remember my last event as a referee for MLG during the Fall 2012 Championships, and the fact that Naniwa was the only foreigner in the Top 16 that tournament (getting 9-12th) right when the Kespa switch had happened felt incredible and an achievement in itself. Naniwa has typically seemed to play in the tournaments where in my humble opinion, a high amount of Korean pros seem to dominate, and he is always in the mix as our one foreign hope to pull through. If Stephano would not have ended his career so early, I think a solid argument could be made between the two on who deserves that title, but if you look at the results between him and Nani, and the level of competition that was at the events to two participated in, how could one not say Naniwa has battled through tougher tournaments and still performed well? I think people will argue Naniwa because of his aggressive behavior that he presented himself as while Stephano was always the fan favorite of the two. I would say they are the two undisputed best foreigners we have seen in SC2 thus far, I am excited to see who is selected as The Greatest Foreigner. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On January 04 2016 11:42 Bagration wrote: But Jinro is too low if they used a consistent criteria. Back to back GSL Ro4 is incredible for a foreigner Idk i was never too impressed by those results | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
Honorable mentions that didn't quite crack the Top 15: TLO, qxc, White-Ra, and Lucifron. | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
On January 04 2016 11:14 Baggins wrote: There is no way that the top five at this point is nor Scarlett, Snute, Huk, Nani, Stephano I guess it is the order. At this point we can all assume Scarlett based off of results will be 5. That leaves Huk and Snute for 3/4 and Nani/Steph for 1/2. My final prediction is 5. Scarlett 4. Snute 3. Huk 2. Nani 1. Stephano I think 1/2 is the hardest though because Naniwa could just as easily take it 100% correct. | ||
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