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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 2 - Page 2

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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-03 22:06:26
January 03 2016 22:00 GMT
#21
There's not enough to argue about here, pretty safe choice of 6-10 even if the order is weird. I'll wait for part 3 and the Huk vs Snute debates.

The big difference is that MaNa used Protoss from 2011-2012 which was weaker than Zerg


If this reasoning is used for Naniwa > Stephano people will riot. Not me, personally, but people.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 03 2016 22:01 GMT
#22
lol
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 03 2016 22:09 GMT
#23
Also I guess TLO doesn't make the cut. Looking at his results page this is a little disappointing, though he obviously lacks "that one" Premier championship.
A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 03 2016 22:11 GMT
#24
On January 04 2016 07:09 Big J wrote:
Also I guess TLO doesn't make the cut. Looking at his results page this is a little disappointing, though he obviously lacks "that one" Premier championship.


I like TLO but he loses to bad players all the time like State or pucK or whoever that was in Dreamhack. He has never come close to winning anything major.

It always seems like TLO is overthinking and trying to be too "meta" instead of just playing well and killing the opponent.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-03 23:18:33
January 03 2016 22:13 GMT
#25
Idra 7th? You give credit to his early MLG results where he mostly faced NA players?

2 great MLG runs and 3 or 4 tournament wins of varying importance. Terran was pretty heavily favoured


Not really. Foreign terrans were basically nonexistant since early 2011. It was always a much harder race to play on a macrolevel whereas macro-zerg was more intuitive.
GreenHealing
Profile Joined December 2015
82 Posts
January 03 2016 22:13 GMT
#26
Marinelord
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 03 2016 22:13 GMT
#27
Okay, Marinelord is going to be #1 on this list now right?
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 03 2016 22:15 GMT
#28
Wow, didn't expect to see IdrA.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 03 2016 22:16 GMT
#29
On January 04 2016 07:13 Hider wrote:
Idra 7th?

Serious? You give credit to his early MLG results where he only faced NA players?


He played good in GSL too. He was really good in the beginning, but he was his own biggest enemy.

If IdrA continued playing and had a better mindset he probably could've been #1 on this list.

It was always painful to watch IdrA, because you could exactly see the point where his will breaks. Especially versus inferior opponents who cheesed him.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 03 2016 22:17 GMT
#30
On January 04 2016 07:13 Hider wrote:
Idra 7th?

Serious? You give credit to his early MLG results where he only faced NA players?

Show nested quote +
2 great MLG runs and 3 or 4 tournament wins of varying importance. Terran was pretty heavily favoured


Not really. Foreign terrans were basically nonexistant since early 2011. It was always a much harder race to play on a macrolevel whereas macro-zerg was more intuitive.


Most of his impressive ZvT wins were against Koreans. He beat Mvp in a macro game on steppes of war, won a Bo5 vs Puma that led to him winning IEM, and won Bo7 extended series against Bomber and Boxer.
Foki
Profile Joined November 2015
Germany23 Posts
January 03 2016 22:18 GMT
#31
So if the Top 5 are Scarlett, HuK, Snute, Naniwa and Stephano... Where is TLO? I think he definitely deserves a place in the top 15 foreigners...
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A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 03 2016 22:18 GMT
#32
On January 04 2016 07:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Okay, Marinelord is going to be #1 on this list now right?


Online tournament with tired koreans.

Don't get me wrong it is a great achievement, but he needs to win big LAN tournaments to make the top 5.

Also it is already too late for that. The top 5 are (in no order) HuK, Scarlett, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa. If they now put in Marinelord they need to throw one out of the top 5 and then the whole list would be wrong since we already have 15-6 best players.

Maybe in next years list
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A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 03 2016 22:19 GMT
#33
On January 04 2016 07:18 Foki wrote:
So if the Top 5 are Scarlett, HuK, Snute, Naniwa and Stephano... Where is TLO? I think he definitely deserves a place in the top 15 foreigners...


Sorry to say but TLO doesn't deserve to be in the best foreigners just for being nice and humble.

TLO was never really strong and never had any major achievements.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-03 22:24:31
January 03 2016 22:19 GMT
#34
On January 04 2016 07:17 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 07:13 Hider wrote:
Idra 7th?

Serious? You give credit to his early MLG results where he only faced NA players?

2 great MLG runs and 3 or 4 tournament wins of varying importance. Terran was pretty heavily favoured


Not really. Foreign terrans were basically nonexistant since early 2011. It was always a much harder race to play on a macrolevel whereas macro-zerg was more intuitive.


Most of his impressive ZvT wins were against Koreans. He beat Mvp in a macro game on steppes of war, won a Bo5 vs Puma that led to him winning IEM, and won Bo7 extended series against Bomber and Boxer.


No he won again MVP that failed a 2 rax on Steppes of War (yes rly, the RNG gods were agaisnt him I guess) and still lost the series quite convincly.

I give him the win against Puma though, since Puma actually was decent at the time.

With regards to Bomber, a ton of foreigners has beat him. And more importantly, he lost to a ton of koreans multiple times (which reduces his overall w/r %).

When weighting early MLG results that highly I feel you could make a case for Incontrol in top 30 or something like that.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-03 22:36:59
January 03 2016 22:26 GMT
#35
On January 04 2016 07:13 Hider wrote:
Idra 7th?

Serious? You give credit to his early MLG results where he only faced NA players?

Show nested quote +
2 great MLG runs and 3 or 4 tournament wins of varying importance. Terran was pretty heavily favoured


Not really. Foreign terrans were basically nonexistant since early 2011. It was always a much harder race to play on a macrolevel whereas macro-zerg was more intuitive.

Are you trying to say that in the early seasons of GSL, terran was not favoured vs zerg? Were we living on the same earth back then? Terran was a bit favoured on most of the maps even playing macro games, but terran had so many early game things they could do that macro terran was just barely necessary

EDIT: As for the weighing of MLGs, im pretty sure they're looking at MLG Columbus and Orlando, not the DC one that Idra won. Orlando was the one where the entire top8 was korea except for Idra and Huk, with koreans like polt, boxer, rain and Hero not making top8
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 03 2016 22:30 GMT
#36
On January 04 2016 07:18 A_needle_jog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 07:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Okay, Marinelord is going to be #1 on this list now right?


Online tournament with tired koreans.

Don't get me wrong it is a great achievement, but he needs to win big LAN tournaments to make the top 5.

Also it is already too late for that. The top 5 are (in no order) HuK, Scarlett, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa. If they now put in Marinelord they need to throw one out of the top 5 and then the whole list would be wrong since we already have 15-6 best players.

Maybe in next years list

Maybe MarineLorD is #0.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44311 Posts
January 03 2016 22:36 GMT
#37
On January 04 2016 07:18 Foki wrote:
So if the Top 5 are Scarlett, HuK, Snute, Naniwa and Stephano... Where is TLO? I think he definitely deserves a place in the top 15 foreigners...


Why?
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t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
January 03 2016 22:37 GMT
#38
Sepaking fo the Marinelord 5-0, I'm sad QXC won't make the list even though the pull off the first foreigner vs korea sc2 all kill.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
January 03 2016 22:40 GMT
#39
On January 04 2016 07:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 07:18 Foki wrote:
So if the Top 5 are Scarlett, HuK, Snute, Naniwa and Stephano... Where is TLO? I think he definitely deserves a place in the top 15 foreigners...


Why?

Well, TLO has seeming consistency going for him. He made every season of WCS Premier as one of very few players. And at his best he could take series of some incredible players (like when he beat Bomber at IEM Sao Paolo). And he is Nostradario.

But in the end his peaks were never high enough, and his consistency is dubious because his WCS results were in a continuous up and down. So outside of top 15 is fine I think.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 03 2016 22:41 GMT
#40
Suprise top5:

5 - @liquidret
4 - Select
3 - Xigua
2 - Bly
1 - Firecake
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