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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 17 2015 23:37 GMT
#301
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players

Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.

Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

I know there is a huge scene in at least 3 countries like Sweden, Poland and France that are in need of having their own heroes. That's also the part why these countries were successful in SC2 but not every country has that.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 23:38:42
December 17 2015 23:38 GMT
#302
I still never understood why foreign tournaments being played by actual foreign players is seen as wellfare. It's the foreign scenes money that was flowing to Korean players, not the other way around.

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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
December 17 2015 23:39 GMT
#303
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players

Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.

Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

You speak as if you know everyone's opinion. Yet I am very excited for this system. I hope some tournaments do upgrade to global events, i believe some will, as it will give us more foreign vs Korean tournaments. But at the start of sc2 when things were separated, the game was exciting and fucking hype. And as some events started to add Koreans is when it peaked. It can be like that again. I hope it will be.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 23:39:53
December 17 2015 23:39 GMT
#304
On December 18 2015 08:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I still never understood why foreign tournaments being played by foreign players is seen as wellfare. It's the foreign scenes money that was flowing to Korean players, not the other way around.



It's just the basic notion that winning money should be deserved by those with the most skill.

It's an easy opinion to develop as a fan of the game starcraft, but a bit one dimensional in the larger sense
of what it means to have an esport and a community that is stable (and exists).
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 17 2015 23:39 GMT
#305
On December 18 2015 08:36 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:29 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:27 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:12 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:09 ClanWars wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players

Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.

Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.


Or the whole thing will implode. One way or the other its a large risk. It could work out, or it could bomb horribly. I guess we'll see.

" for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners"

that's not what the data from my tournaments said. The all Korean SHOUTcraft events beat the American SHOUTcraft events in viewership.

Making single tournaments is not going to bring the scene alive, it was already dead to begin with after being flooded with Koreans from perfect practice environment. I totally agree that Koreans play better and they deserve more but we need to give some room to breathe for foreigners too.

The scene died because of Koreans coming to foreign events? This just blows my mind ROTFL

Boxer, Flash, Nada, MVP, Jaedong, MarineKing, Life, Parting, MC, Nesstea, Leenock etc had much much more "star power" then the vast majority of US/EU players. The only non Koreans that got lots of atention were the ones that usually practiced in Korea and got good, Idra, Jinro, TLO, Huk, etc.

Hots being a terrible game didn't help either, these were the 2 things that got matched together. In WOL somehow we had players that could sometimes play on par or even beat the best koreans( Stephano/ Naniwa/ me/ Thorzain or whatever). Don't tell me about broodlord infestor.


HotS is a bad game now? Seriously...?


How would you call games that last hours without any hope for the end or seeing mass blink stalkers/deathballs and zergs that were not able to stop it even in your favourite country Korea?
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 17 2015 23:40 GMT
#306
On December 18 2015 08:37 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players

Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.

Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

I know there is a huge scene in at least 3 countries like Sweden, Poland and France that are in need of having their own heroes. That's also the part why these countries were successful in SC2 but not every country has that.


RIP Germany .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 17 2015 23:42 GMT
#307
On December 18 2015 08:40 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:37 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players

Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.

Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

I know there is a huge scene in at least 3 countries like Sweden, Poland and France that are in need of having their own heroes. That's also the part why these countries were successful in SC2 but not every country has that.


RIP Germany .

Germany too but I thought of 3 countries that had bigger success and there wasn't anyone from Germany like that
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
JabuSeika
Profile Joined February 2014
United States607 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 23:51:48
December 17 2015 23:43 GMT
#308
What is going to happen to korean players that don't qualify for SSL/GSL? (Fantasy, PartinG, Rain)

They have to sit around for a long time waiting for the next SSL/GSL.

If they are participating in Proleague, I guess that's good for them.

But then what about those that don't play in Proleague?

This group of players that used to make money/wcs points by going to IEM and Dreamhack, which is not an option anymore.

Fantasy, PartinG, and Rain made a significant amount of WCS points from the foreign tournament scene in 2015.

That's how they made it to the top 16 of Blizzcon.

With out doing well in GSL/SSL, getting to a Global Tournament for them will now be very difficult.

They will have to either stay in Korea and wait it out with no tournaments, which is unlikely.

Or get a visa and move to a WCS region.

If they have the financial backing to make the latter happen, that's great for WCS Circuit.

But if they don't, we have 3 of the top 16 players from 2015 left out.

That's only looking at the 2015 top 16, if you're further down, don't qualify for GSL/SSL, don't have a proleague team, don't have a foreign team to sponsor you, you're out of luck buddy, doesn't really matter if your skill is high.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
December 17 2015 23:43 GMT
#309
Nerchio to win it, Good luck my Man!
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 17 2015 23:43 GMT
#310
I believe, Blizzard will be successful in bringing closer together the levels of play of foreigners and Koreans with this.

Not because it would improve the level of play of foreigners. But it will decrease the level of play of Koreans. Because it is taking away from them a lot of possibilities to excel, to win money in foreign tournaments, to get to BlizzCon. It will be OK for the TOP 8 players, for the rest, there is no chance. So at least, there will be proleague.

Anyway, the best thing would be to create a foreigner team in Proleague, who would be hopeless last each week losing 0:3 or 1:3, but its players would be then winning events like DreamHack.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 17 2015 23:44 GMT
#311
On December 18 2015 08:42 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:40 Musicus wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:37 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:
[quote]
Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.

Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

I know there is a huge scene in at least 3 countries like Sweden, Poland and France that are in need of having their own heroes. That's also the part why these countries were successful in SC2 but not every country has that.


RIP Germany .

Germany too but I thought of 3 countries that had bigger success and there wasn't anyone from Germany like that


Wow, that was low. I'm still cheering for you to win HSC though, so you'd better start working on a plan on how the beat ShoWTimE. I remember a certain tournament in sweden not too long ago...
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 17 2015 23:48 GMT
#312
Does anyone know what the server qualifiers are?

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This section is saying how the 32 players for each WCS Circuit Championship will be determined. What is a Server Qualifier?
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 17 2015 23:49 GMT
#313
On December 18 2015 08:44 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:42 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:40 Musicus wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:37 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
[quote]
Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

I know there is a huge scene in at least 3 countries like Sweden, Poland and France that are in need of having their own heroes. That's also the part why these countries were successful in SC2 but not every country has that.


RIP Germany .

Germany too but I thought of 3 countries that had bigger success and there wasn't anyone from Germany like that


Wow, that was low. I'm still cheering for you to win HSC though, so you'd better start working on a plan on how the beat ShoWTimE. I remember a certain tournament in sweden not too long ago...

Showtime is good but in this topic we are talking about globally good players that could put up a fight with Koreans throughout the sc2 scene and from Germany nobody comes up to my mind like a foreigner hope.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 23:51:13
December 17 2015 23:50 GMT
#314
On December 18 2015 08:48 NonY wrote:
Does anyone know what the server qualifiers are?

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This section is saying how the 32 players for each WCS Circuit Championship will be determined. What is a Server Qualifier?

Probably the top 6/8 players on each server's ladder. Get ready to see some ladder heroes in WCS :/
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 17 2015 23:50 GMT
#315
On December 18 2015 08:44 Musicus wrote:
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On December 18 2015 08:42 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:40 Musicus wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:37 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:35 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:25 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:22 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:14 Nerchio wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:
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Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.

No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.

How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"

But I do not see any possibility for you to get to the Korean level in playing a closed Welfare Circuit with other Europeans. I mentioned the examples: Snute, ShowTime ... they were so close. BlizzCon could sponsor you if you need more money to have the proper motivation ... I do not think, having the locked Welfare Circuit will improve your play.

Remember Lilbow's explanation, why he did not practice. "Because he did not have practice partners." TLO answered to him: "We offered to you to practice with you." Lilbow answered: "But you, all European Zergs, are weak. I have beaten you all. Why would I practice with you? What would it bring to me?"

Having a locked Losers league will not improve the player's skills. The idea of Total Biscuit, forcing Koreans to play on western Ladders might help more.

You do not see the possibility but I do and who knows more about becoming good in Starcraft2 :/

OK, I agree, you know more. As I said at the start. This is great for you. But not great for the current fans of SC2. So we will probably stop watching the welfare tournaments, but of course, it can happen that there will be a new wave of fans arising who will cheer for the best SC2 player from their country (like in my country, it would be probably someone on the WCS ranking 487) and not caring about the high level of the world's best.

I know there is a huge scene in at least 3 countries like Sweden, Poland and France that are in need of having their own heroes. That's also the part why these countries were successful in SC2 but not every country has that.


RIP Germany .

Germany too but I thought of 3 countries that had bigger success and there wasn't anyone from Germany like that


Wow, that was low. I'm still cheering for you to win HSC though, so you'd better start working on a plan on how the beat ShoWTimE. I remember a certain tournament in sweden not too long ago...

Come on, you know, ShowTime is nothing compared to Sollar, or Sorral, ot whoever played under the name Serral in Nation Wars :-) But he was unbelievable atDH, you are right ...
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 23:50:22
December 17 2015 23:50 GMT
#316
On December 18 2015 08:48 NonY wrote:
Does anyone know what the server qualifiers are?



This section is saying how the 32 players for each WCS Circuit Championship will be determined. What is a Server Qualifier?

Nice find. Maybe rewards for ladder ranking? Would be sick.
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JabuSeika
Profile Joined February 2014
United States607 Posts
December 17 2015 23:50 GMT
#317
On December 18 2015 08:48 NonY wrote:
Does anyone know what the server qualifiers are?

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This section is saying how the 32 players for each WCS Circuit Championship will be determined. What is a Server Qualifier?


That makes it seem like they're ladder placements.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 17 2015 23:51 GMT
#318
On December 18 2015 08:50 JabuSeika wrote:
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On December 18 2015 08:48 NonY wrote:
Does anyone know what the server qualifiers are?

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This section is saying how the 32 players for each WCS Circuit Championship will be determined. What is a Server Qualifier?


That makes it seem like they're ladder placements.


Holy shit, if that is true, HYPE!!!!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2015 23:52 GMT
#319
Yeah ladder placements would be my guess too.
Which seems kinda cool, not gonna lie.

ESPECIALLY with the new ladder system next year
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
December 17 2015 23:52 GMT
#320
On December 18 2015 08:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I still never understood why foreign tournaments being played by actual foreign players is seen as wellfare. It's the foreign scenes money that was flowing to Korean players, not the other way around.



The welfare comes from restricting players from competing just because they're Korean.

So Western players get to hide from the scary high competition in Korea behind Blizzard's curtain of welfare money.

What about the Thousands of players in Korea who are on the level of Western pros but aren't good enough to make KESPA rosters? Where is their charity tournament?

It's welfare because this kind of generosity is only being directed at Western players. They don't deserve more money just because of where they live. They should have to earn it by fair competiton. Restricting the competition based on region doesn't do that.
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