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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On December 14 2015 03:38 Dingodile wrote: More like ESL doesn't want WCS anymore and a replacement seems impossible. there is the reason to come up with an idea to run it yourself then | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
I really liked last years format and think as a community we should actually stick with something. It's been years of overhauls, year and year, but tell me what was really bad about last season? And someone making the decisions tell me WHY this is a good decision for the scene and explain how it will help? | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On December 14 2015 04:05 Undead1993 wrote: there is the reason to come up with an idea to run it yourself then Which reason? :D Background says no. Blizzard wanted MLG, they declined. Then NASL and then ESL.na. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On December 14 2015 04:27 Dingodile wrote: Which reason? :D Background says no. Blizzard wanted MLG, they declined. Then NASL and then ESL.na. if u think there is no reason for blizzard to try and run it themselves look at riot | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On December 14 2015 04:33 Undead1993 wrote: if u think there is no reason for blizzard to try and run it themselves look at riot reason is clear I think. They dont want to try since WCS exists. | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On December 14 2015 01:33 Ppjack wrote: Yes I was angry. I can't stand reading that kind of racism. You shouldn't try to reason with him. I've tried. Waste of time, you'll only get condescending answer and tactless insult in return. Also it's almost ironic how he himself seem to have anger issue when looking at how he answers in DM :D Back to topic. I hope Blizzard makes an official statement soon, if not to clear up the worries at least the rumours so that we know what we are in for next year. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Dh,redbull,IEM...Should just flip the finger to blizzard and run their tournaments as they like. As for blizzcon its a shame, it was actually fun to see the foreigner race, everyone was cheering for that one guy to make it. Now if basically half of it is foreign...retarded. This could be the last year of sc2 we'll ever see big tournaments... | ||
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
In conclusion I guess I'll patiently wait for the official Bizzard anouncement; also Richard Lewis writes for Breitbart now?? for some reason I've always thought he has actual journalistic integrity.. my bad.. | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 14 2015 04:36 Dingodile wrote: reason is clear I think. They dont want to try since WCS exists. Or maby they don't want to spend a huge sum of money to invest in the production equipment? | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On December 14 2015 06:38 knOxStarcraft wrote: This is good for viewership imo, koreans aren't the only ones who produce great games. In fact, I enjoy the foreigner games from NW3 as much or more than watching Koreans play, and I'd call myself a hardcore fan and player. the majority casual audience can't tell the difference between Korean and foreigner games until someone tells them that Koreans are way better. additionally, people like following people who have story lines, and Koreans don't have story lines most of the time. You are also the minority, NW's audience almost doubled when the Koreans were on | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On December 14 2015 06:51 showstealer1829 wrote: You are also the minority, NW's audience almost doubled when the Koreans were on Wrong. OgamingTV Inter and TakeTv have more viewers than yesterday. Around 5k more than yesterday. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 14 2015 06:38 knOxStarcraft wrote: This is good for viewership imo, koreans aren't the only ones who produce great games. In fact, I enjoy the foreigner games from NW3 as much or more than watching Koreans play, and I'd call myself a hardcore fan and player. the majority casual audience can't tell the difference between Korean and foreigner games until someone tells them that Koreans are way better. additionally, people like following people who have story lines, and Koreans don't have story lines most of the time. I'm fine with people preferring foreigners or certain groups of players over others, but this and Koreans don't have story lines most of the time. Is so insulting both to the Koreans themselves and the people that spend hundreds of hours (casters, journalists, writers) that put their lives into highlighting the best of these storylines. Like, I actually can't understand the mental hoops you need to go through to arrive at the conclusion that because you don't like or know them, the storylines don't exist. Come on. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On December 14 2015 07:00 Dingodile wrote: Wrong. OgamingTV Inter and TakeTv have more viewers than yesterday. Around 5k more than yesterday. And after todays serving they'll never come back | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 14 2015 07:00 Dingodile wrote: Wrong. OgamingTV Inter and TakeTv have more viewers than yesterday. Around 5k more than yesterday. http://www.fuzic.nl/rankings/events/week/ Seems about the same, but more hours watched because longer broadcast. | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On December 14 2015 07:09 Zealously wrote: I'm fine with people preferring foreigners or certain groups of players over others, but this Is so insulting both to the Koreans themselves and the people that spend hundreds of hours (casters, journalists, writers) that put their lives into highlighting the best of these storylines. Like, I actually can't understand the mental hoops you need to go through to arrive at the conclusion that because you don't like or know them, the storylines don't exist. Come on. You are correct of course, sorry for any offense, that was poorly worded. The mental hoops my feeble mind was jumping through led to a belief that foreigner story lines are much more interesting to follow most of the time; they contain more personality, and are much more relate-able, probably most of all due to language. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On December 14 2015 07:25 knOxStarcraft wrote: You are correct of course, sorry for any offense, that was poorly worded. The mental hoops my feeble mind was jumping through led to a belief that foreigner story lines are much more interesting to follow most of the time; they contain more personality, and are much more relate-able, probably most of all due to language. But people are quite different in that respect. For instance, I personally relate much better to Korean players since they're professionals and are more dedicated than foreigners and they have that special mystique which separates a star from an ordinary player. Furthermore I think that sites such as (primarily) Team Liquid have done an excellent job in developing narratives around Korean players. Of course there is a lack of easily relatable streams, fluff and interviews and such and there is a cultural barrier, but all those things would hold for Messi and Djokovic too and they are still star players. And for me their special appeal lies mostly in their playing ability, they express themselves through their play styles and tournament results and that's what I judge them on, not their language abilities, -- and I think that is quite a natural thing to do for athletes. | ||
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Taronar
Netherlands177 Posts
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
Is so insulting both to the Koreans themselves and the people that spend hundreds of hours (casters, journalists, writers) that put their lives into highlighting the best of these storylines. Like, I actually can't understand the mental hoops you need to go through to arrive at the conclusion that because you don't like or know them, the storylines don't exist. Come on. If there's a storyline in the forrest that I don't care about, does it really exist? | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On December 14 2015 08:01 Taronar wrote: I wonder how Dreamhack, IEM, ESL and such agree with this (if true). Nobody cares about 16EU/NA players batteling out for a 10k price pool if there are no Koreans to make the tournament interesting. If 4 out of 16 players are korean and I know one of them will win, that seems rather boring no?  | ||
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