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On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. Show nested quote +The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. Show nested quote +And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself.
So agree with this.
Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense.
It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing.
That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch.
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What makes tournaments interesting to me as a casual viewer (as in I watch tournaments irregularly and no Korean leagues) is the story of Foreigner vs Korean. When I watch an all-foreigner tournament, it leaves me with a feeling that the winner didn't really deserve it because he didn't play Koreans, which in turn makes me less likely to watch all-foreigner tournaments.
Besides, wouldn't this create a much bigger problem in the form of foreigners not being challenged as much, getting even further behind in skill and then getting completely rolled at Blizzcon?
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If this is actually true, then catering to fair weather fans who almost certainly won't be around a few years down the line even if every single tourney has a lilly white face in every seat is stupid IMO.
This move is highly disrespectful and a slap in the face to all the real and true hardworking sc2 pros out there (Korean and non Korean alike), the loyal, dedicated and TRUE fans of this game that truly love this game for what it is, and to anyone that has any sense of competition that is honorable, true, fair and deserved.
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Leaving aside the foreigner/Korean drama for now, it seems that this "WCS Circuit" will consist of events held by IEM, Dreamhack and Redbull. Does this mean that we'll no longer have the WCS seasons at all? You know the ones produced by ESL usually? Will we only have weekend tournaments left in foreigner land?
If that is the case, reading between the lines, could this just be the case of Blizzard not wanting to put any more money into WCS? However, since those WCS seasons are the main source of WCS points for foreigners, they need to make sure to still have tournaments set aside for them. Is that why they're making the weekend tournaments adopt a region lock policy?
I hope I'm wrong. We'll know more when Blizzard clarify what this "WCS Circuit" actually is.
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On December 14 2015 00:03 ramask2 wrote:
Leaving aside the foreigner/Korean drama for now, it seems that this "WCS Circuit" will consist of events held by IEM, Dreamhack and Redbull. Does this mean that we'll no longer have the WCS seasons at all? You know the ones produced by ESL usually? Will we only have weekend tournaments left in foreigner land?
If that is the case, reading between the lines, could this just be the case of Blizzard not wanting to put any more money into WCS? However, since those WCS seasons are the main source of WCS points for foreigners, they need to make sure to still have tournaments set aside for them. Is that why they're making the weekend tournaments adopt a region lock policy?
I hope I'm wrong. We'll know more when Blizzard clarify what this "WCS Circuit" actually is.
I thought the article was clear that there will be no WCS tournament. Only the weekend tournaments you just mentioned for foreigners. Basically those tournaments that gets attended by CS:GO / LoL / DotA will have only foreign SC.
GSL / SSL will be for Koreans only. It sucks hard but this is it...
As for the reason why there won't be a WCS, I guess the answer lines with the other rumor that was around. That ESL does not want to produce any WCS tournament anymore.
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with WCS Circuit, I think better players get more money while bad player get less money.
Does it mean EU players can't attend US Circuits and inverted?
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On December 14 2015 00:21 Dingodile wrote:
with WCS Circuit, I think better players get more money while bad player get less money.
Does it mean EU players can't attend US Circuits and inverted?
Scratch "the better players get more money while bad players get less money line" Reverse the better and bad
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On December 14 2015 00:14 WrathSCII wrote:
As for the reason why there won't be a WCS, I guess the answer lines with the other rumor that was around. That ESL does not want to produce any WCS tournament anymore.
If that's true, it is a real shame. So if assuming that there's no increase in the frequency of the weekend tournaments, we're actually getting less tournaments than last year. That is surely bad for the foreign scene, right?
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On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch.
A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff?
The fuck is that hahaahhahahah
between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D
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If you want global e-sports to be popular, you need to have a person or team that you can root for. Nothing inspires fandom more than knowing the person is similar to you. They come from the same place, they speak your language, they like similar things to you. These are the people you can get behind. The vast majority of e-sports watchers can't do that in a tournament that's all Koreans.
Let me begin by stating the obvious: people on this forum aren't going to like this argument because people on this forum are a vocal minority of diehard fans. A lot of people here got up at 3am to watch the GSL (myself included), and even more before that used janky streaming clients and dubbed commentary to watch Korean BW when most of us had forgotten Starcraft was even a thing and moved on to other games. By being constantly invested in a scene that was so exclusively Korean for so long, you have no problems identifying with the Korean players and exclusively Korean tournaments. You are the minority. You are the diehard. You are not the audience that Blizzard wants to tap because you'll be there anyway.
Today, I don't give a shit about my hometown's (Houston) professional sports teams, but I did when I was a kid. You know why? Because Robert Horry and Otis Thorpe lived in my neighborhood, the former just a few houses down. They were people that I knew where they were from, I got to meet them, and I felt great cheering for them even if they weren't the best players on the team. Then they retired and I gradually stopped caring about the Rockets. Then when the Texans joined the NFL as an expansion team, David Carr moved in one neighborhood over and my fanboy started up again. I had a guy I could cheer for even if he wasn't the best quarterback in the league. Then he moved on, the Texans kept sucking without him and I stopped caring.
Fans are stronger and more dedicated when they have someone they can relate to to cheer for. If every SC2 tournament is won by whatever Korean could afford to fly out there (which the vast majority of them are with a few exceptions), then no one gives a shit because they never see their hometown heroes. They're always caught further down the bracket and it's hard to tell who's good and who isn't because they keep losing so early. You can't build a fanbase on top 32s (or even top 8s really). We need to have international players winning more tournaments to cultivate more fanbases and bring in more people. If that means keeping the Koreans in Korea, so be it.
If you want to watch the best in the world, watch the GSL or Proleague. If you want to watch the best in your region, watch the WCS. It doesn't matter if whatever Korean qualifies just roflstomps the rest of the world come Blizzcon, at least fans will have people that represent them playing.
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On December 14 2015 00:14 WrathSCII wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:03 ramask2 wrote:
Leaving aside the foreigner/Korean drama for now, it seems that this "WCS Circuit" will consist of events held by IEM, Dreamhack and Redbull. Does this mean that we'll no longer have the WCS seasons at all? You know the ones produced by ESL usually? Will we only have weekend tournaments left in foreigner land?
If that is the case, reading between the lines, could this just be the case of Blizzard not wanting to put any more money into WCS? However, since those WCS seasons are the main source of WCS points for foreigners, they need to make sure to still have tournaments set aside for them. Is that why they're making the weekend tournaments adopt a region lock policy?
I hope I'm wrong. We'll know more when Blizzard clarify what this "WCS Circuit" actually is. I thought the article was clear that there will be no WCS tournament.
Blizzard might as well admit that they themselves don't see any point in SC2 esports anymore, at least not from a profitability perspective.
Too bad though. WCS brought us some of the best games and casters in the scene. Makes me wonder what'll happen with Apollo & co. Surely they can't make a living of casting four tournaments a year?
Unrelated: seems that RedEye's timing to jump ship was impeccable.
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On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D
Isn't that the point all the anti-Korean posters are trying to make?
White guys don't get the money and attention over flashy mechanics of Maru-level Koreans. It isn't fair.
I can't relate to the Korean guy because he doesn't speak English well.
The Korean culture has no personality and I can't relate so I don't watch.
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On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D
White guy? your comment is just ordinary racism.
I care about people that come from my region, and since Korean starcraft is much more accomplished I care about foreigners trying to catch up and able to compete with Koreans. This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean.
When I cheer for Maru it is because I love him, his playstyle and I play terran.
When your favorite football club plays against a giant of football, you will cheer for your club.
Still if you like football as a sport you will enjoy watching high level matches. And probably have a favourite team that is not from your region.
If it appeared that Sweden would rule the starcraft world, would you say fuck these white guys that does not let asians catch up?
What the fuck is your comment. Really
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On December 14 2015 01:12 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D Isn't that the point all the anti-Korean posters are trying to make? White guys don't get the money and attention over flashy mechanics of Maru-level Koreans. It isn't fair. I can't relate to the Korean guy because he doesn't speak English well. The Korean culture has no personality and I can't relate so I don't watch.
Yeah true, I don't spit on foreigners and am happy when few of them reach a huge level.
I must be anti-koreans.
Or maybe I don't like starcraft since foreigners are not able to deliver good games.
edit: I will add that if you only care about korean starcraft, no prob. They will just do fine for a long time there. When foreigners will stop to care about the game because fucks like you are too disrespectful and they cannot make a living of the game anymore, competition will only occur in Korea.
You know, Canada is the best at Ice Hockey too. Even at Curling. As a european I don't care about hockey and if it happened I would be a god at it I would have to go play in NHL.
Do you want the same to happen to Starcraft? NA almost already gave up on this game. If Europe follows will you be happy to eventually see only korean competition?
No wonder CS:GO is doing 2000 times better
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On December 14 2015 01:14 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean.
Nuff said.
Your white hood is showing.
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On December 14 2015 01:23 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 01:14 Ppjack wrote:On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean. Nuff said. Your white hood is showing.
Fuck off.
I am white yes. Are you aware that we have every etchnic origin in Belgium but we are all Belgians? Not white, black or blue or red.
Stop typing words on your keyboard.
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On December 14 2015 01:26 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 01:23 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 14 2015 01:14 Ppjack wrote:On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean. Nuff said. Your white hood is showing. Fuck off. I am white yes. Are you aware that we have every etchnic origin in Belgium but we are all Belgians? Not white, black or blue or red. Stop typing words on your keyboard.
You have some serious anger problems man.
Get some help with that.
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On December 14 2015 01:30 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 01:26 Ppjack wrote:On December 14 2015 01:23 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 14 2015 01:14 Ppjack wrote:On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean. Nuff said. Your white hood is showing. Fuck off. I am white yes. Are you aware that we have every etchnic origin in Belgium but we are all Belgians? Not white, black or blue or red. Stop typing words on your keyboard. You have some serious anger problems man. Get some help with that.
Yes I was angry. I can't stand reading that kind of racism.
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On December 14 2015 01:14 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D . I care about people that come from my region, and since Korean starcraft is much more accomplished I care about foreigners trying to catch up and able to compete with Koreans. This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean.
They won't. Ever, And if this article is true the chances go from "A snowballs chance in Hell" to "Absolute Zero", since the only way they'll ever play Top Koreans is at Blizzcon, where they'll be 3-0'd so fast it'll make the Lilbow debacle look like the fucking GSL final.
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On December 14 2015 01:34 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 01:14 Ppjack wrote:On December 14 2015 00:58 HellHound wrote:On December 13 2015 21:47 MaCRo.gg wrote:On December 13 2015 20:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 13 2015 19:37 xyzz wrote:
Baffling. The result will be completely opposite if the changes are as rumoured. If foreigners compete with other foreigners, earning serious money and getting success, the foreigner scene will stop shrinking. In fact it will thrive. Welcome to 2015, the year that 59/64 NA/EU seats belonged to foreigners, where placing in the Ro64 meant a guaranteed $2,000. And what was the result of this promised land? The disparity in skill between Koreans and foreigners has never been greater in the history of SC2. But magically in 2016 everything will change. Foreigners aren't going to have to push themselves as hard because they won't be facing Koreans, they're not going to have as many opportunities to win over fans because the WCS events are cut, it's very possible that the $2K award for top 64 finish will be nixed... but somehow, the foreign scene is going to thrive. I see nothing here but baseless wishes. The couple hardcore fans of korean players who refuse to tune in will be replaced by a large mass of others who now have some familiar community celebrities to cheer for. More wishes. Total Biscuit has put a lot of work into organizing grass roots foreign events, and he's gone on record multiple times saying the viewership spike for all-foreign events is a complete fantasy. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody shows up to watch. And just so we're clear, to answer your question in part, if the foreign scene would die; no, I wouldn't tune in to korean SC2. The game would be dead, and that has nothing to do with being a 'fair weather fan'. That's called being pretty normal. If the foreign scene dies, that means SC2 is dead? So Brood War, the esport that created esports, was... what? Never even alive? Get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself. So agree with this. Either they think "grassroots" events will thrive despite their lack of previous viewership or spout xenophobic nonsense. It boggles my mind that somehow they think that pulling in casual viewers that only care about the narrative while alienating hardcore viewers who care about the quality of the game is a good thing. That is the difference between players and viewers. Viewers watch for the narrative aka xenophobia and racism, while players watch for the best games between the best players that worked the hardest. I'll keep being a player of sc2, I'll still be here after all the viewers move on to their next bigoted itch. A casual viewer that cares about the story more than the flashy stuff? The fuck is that hahaahhahahah between the naritive of a white guy making it deep in a tourney by turtling to some bl infestor equivalent or watching Maru's micro I know which most people would prefer to watch :D . I care about people that come from my region, and since Korean starcraft is much more accomplished I care about foreigners trying to catch up and able to compete with Koreans. This is a cool storyline for me because i am not Korean. They won't. Ever, And if this article is true the chances go from "A snowballs chance in Hell" to "Absolute Zero", since the only way they'll ever play Top Koreans is at Blizzcon, where they'll be 3-0'd so fast it'll make the Lilbow debacle look like the fucking GSL final.
I agree with you. I want foreigners to compete with good koreans on a regular basis.
WCS must aim to developp a competitive and rewarding atmosphere for foreigners as well as koreans. Not be a free-pass to blizzcon.
What I meant with the analogy with Ice Hockey, is that in Europe we don't have structures and investments enough to even have a decent league. Every good european has to go in NHL.
I don't want that to happen in Starcraft since the game is designed to be attractive to every player in every continent.
Thinking that koreans are better because they are koreans is straight bullshit, or even racism in a way (genetic, superior culture, whatever).
They are better because e-sport is a thing there, structures are strong and the practice environnement is the best (ladder, houses, coaches, regular leagues and huge fanbase).
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