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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 14 2015 06:38 knOxStarcraft wrote: This is good for viewership imo, koreans aren't the only ones who produce great games. In fact, I enjoy the foreigner games from NW3 as much or more than watching Koreans play, and I'd call myself a hardcore fan and player. the majority casual audience can't tell the difference between Korean and foreigner games until someone tells them that Koreans are way better. additionally, people like following people who have story lines, and Koreans don't have story lines most of the time. Viewership stays the same. It changes nothing. | ||
CheeseCakez0
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CptMarvel
France236 Posts
Foreigners are blatantly inferior to Koreans, get over it Blizzard. | ||
Lockdown-
United States290 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are other ideas for how to do it best, but seriously: expand Blizzcon. More foreigners and other fan favourites will be in the tournament that way. Though still dominated by Koreans, a larger portion of the global scene will mix. There will be weird upsets that keep people on the edge of their seats. And you still get the year's top players probably mostly wrecking everyone. | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
But let's see - I think viewers (even new ones) will quickly realize that the foreigners are inferior and realize that it's basically affirmative action, but what the hell - let's give it another shot. Anything to create the next Huk, Naniwa or Stephano | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16387 Posts
On December 14 2015 10:15 neutralrobot wrote: If Blizzard's big concern is lack of foreigners in Blizzcon, Blizzard's biggest concern is that the entire eSports infrastructure is a giant financial black hole. Even BlizzCon itself loses money. Each year Blizzard changes the SC2 eSports competition so that it costs less money and resources because the whole thing is a giant money loser. it'll be interesting to see if Blizzard ever takes a stab at generating a continuous stream of revenue out of SC2 multiplayer the way CoH2 and now SC2 does with with single player. generally speaking RTS multiplayer fans don't want to spend money. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13959 Posts
On December 14 2015 10:30 Bagration wrote: Troubled by this - Catz a good dude, but he's been historically pro-region lock so I'm guessing the Korean players are getting screwed. But let's see - I think viewers (even new ones) will quickly realize that the foreigners are inferior and realize that it's basically affirmative action, but what the hell - let's give it another shot. Anything to create the next Huk, Naniwa or Stephano Or the next lilbow... | ||
stefan16
103 Posts
Nevertheless, if the problem is money, as the guy before me said, then it cant be helped. As a company, if a project fails to make money (or even lose it), they have to close it or to make modification until it starts making money. | ||
boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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annedeman
Netherlands350 Posts
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
I am probably not communicating well here but I guess I get so frustrated reading all these comments complaining about locking Koreans out. Its not about fairness, its not about "best games" its about whether or not we want to foster local talent or not. If Blizzard leaves the system as is sure, more Korean players will be able to win money in the short term, viewership will stay in the hardcore audience, less and less foreign players will compete, and eventually the game will die outside Korea. I for one hope that starcaft will become more popular and I firmly believe this is through local player. Obviously most people on TL seem to disagree here but my only metric for what draws fans to the game is myself. And using myself as an example let me explain how I got into watching American football. For years I never watched football, had very little interest. However, my grandparents recently moved to Seattle WA and when they visited we would watch Seattle play and they would tell me about how they were doing in the league etc. Fast forward a few years and now I am a die hard Hawks fan mostly because my grandparents live in Seattle. People relate to local heroes, there is no logical reason I would root for the Hawks over some other team, yet I do and I will watch a Seahawks game start to finish just because they are my team. The same concept applies to starcraft, I always root for north American players first and formost simply because I view them as the local hero, if there is no NA player I root for the non Korea, if only Koreans are left I usually turn off the stream, depending on the tournament. I will watch prolegue and ssl occasionally, but I never get hyped for those events. WCS America 2014 I scarcely watched, once Scarlett was out and most other NA players were out I turned it off. WCS 2015 was super exciting, I watched every single match start to finish. Now this is just my experience and my opinion, but I feel that most hardcore fans on TL are being a bit blind on this issue, local talent needs time and money to grow, Korea already has plenty of money pumped into it through GSL, SSL and Proleague, let the foreign scene grow without constantly getting crushed by Korean players coming over and taking the majority of prize money. Anyway, I do apologize for the rambling post just had to get this off my chest | ||
munitqua
12 Posts
Great post, i agree 100%. I like some of the Korean players but I will always root for the non-Koreans. I am from the Netherlands myself so I will root for Europeans first (except Lilbow), then NA, then Koreans. | ||
Incognoto
France10239 Posts
WCS America 2014 I scarcely watched, once Scarlett was out and most other NA players were out I turned it off. You might hate Koreans yourself, since you'd rather watch bad foreigners than good Koreans, but that doesn't apply to the rest of us. People here rightfully root for those who are GOOD at the game and DESERVE recognition. To me, not rooting for a Korean because they are Korean is simply borderline racist. | ||
pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
[B]On December 14 2015 16:06 SlammerIV Its not about fairness, its not about "best games" its about whether or not we want to foster local talent or not. If Blizzard leaves the system as is sure, more Korean players will be able to win money in the short term, viewership will stay in the hardcore audience, less and less foreign players will compete, and eventually the game will die outside Korea. You severely underestimate how much effort it would take to make the foreign scene properly grow. They've been paying NA ro64 nobodies $2K just for trying throughout 2015 and the scene has still shrunk. How long do you think they can keep that up? Never mind how much that spending would have to increase just to see growth. These changes, if real, aren't an attempt at growth, they're an attempt at cost cutting. You cannot expect the foreign scene to grow when the number of premier tournaments is halved overnight. Like another poster said - foreign SC2 is a black hole. All Blizzard can realistically do is forestall the inevitable at the cost of hurting the only SC2 scene that is actually sustainable (maybe). | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 14 2015 16:06 SlammerIV wrote: I feel like most posters here really do not understand the simple economics of the situation. In the current WCS system non Korean players have very little incentive to dedicate their entire lives to stacraft, because of inferior ladder, inferior infrastructure, even if a non Korean puts in 14 hours a day and completely commits to being the best possible player they will receive little benefit. Korean players syphon most of the prize money in tournaments thus only a very few foreign player can afford to actually play starcraft. In fact if we are completely honest no foreigner is making a smart life choice by commiting to starcraft. Dedicating your brightest years to a craft which will scarcely allow you to pay rent and put oatmeal on the table is not a recipe for success. I am probably not communicating well here but I guess I get so frustrated reading all these comments complaining about locking Koreans out. Its not about fairness, its not about "best games" its about whether or not we want to foster local talent or not. If Blizzard leaves the system as is sure, more Korean players will be able to win money in the short term, viewership will stay in the hardcore audience, less and less foreign players will compete, and eventually the game will die outside Korea. I for one hope that starcaft will become more popular and I firmly believe this is through local player. Obviously most people on TL seem to disagree here but my only metric for what draws fans to the game is myself. And using myself as an example let me explain how I got into watching American football. For years I never watched football, had very little interest. However, my grandparents recently moved to Seattle WA and when they visited we would watch Seattle play and they would tell me about how they were doing in the league etc. Fast forward a few years and now I am a die hard Hawks fan mostly because my grandparents live in Seattle. People relate to local heroes, there is no logical reason I would root for the Hawks over some other team, yet I do and I will watch a Seahawks game start to finish just because they are my team. The same concept applies to starcraft, I always root for north American players first and formost simply because I view them as the local hero, if there is no NA player I root for the non Korea, if only Koreans are left I usually turn off the stream, depending on the tournament. I will watch prolegue and ssl occasionally, but I never get hyped for those events. WCS America 2014 I scarcely watched, once Scarlett was out and most other NA players were out I turned it off. WCS 2015 was super exciting, I watched every single match start to finish. Now this is just my experience and my opinion, but I feel that most hardcore fans on TL are being a bit blind on this issue, local talent needs time and money to grow, Korea already has plenty of money pumped into it through GSL, SSL and Proleague, let the foreign scene grow without constantly getting crushed by Korean players coming over and taking the majority of prize money. Anyway, I do apologize for the rambling post just had to get this off my chest I do agree with you about foreign scene. After thinking about it for a while. I think this is better for all. BUT, Korean SC2 needs replacement for the ban over DH / IEM / RB and other tournaments. Blizzard needs to work with KeSPA to create some kind of events for them to compete and enlarge the scene there. Just because they have infrastructure does not mean to screw them over with this. In addition, what about non-KeSPA players? Players like FanTaSy now have only GSL / SSL to play on... P.S. Do you guys think Koreans knew about this even before DH winter? Solar words were "Remember me forever", he must have known that was his last DH ever... | ||
munitqua
12 Posts
Just look at the WCS Finals, a measly $100K for the winner even though we know Blizzard can afford a lot more than that. Of course, this will not solve all the problems, but i do think that SC2 players need a bit more incentive. We need more European and NA players to commit to Starcraft full-time, and right now i don't think they want to, because they cannot make a decent living off of it. Furthermore this is always the chicken and the egg story. The only way to increase prize money is to increase viewers, etc. | ||
playa
United States1284 Posts
Everything about WCS since I started playing has been the opposite of a reason to play and watch. I've always thought this game was horrible to watch. The only thing that made it "cool/interesting" was hype and the money guys were playing for. Since when has the Olympics been wrong? Since when has America needed "more Korean swimmers?" It's just so greedy on their part. That's what happens when you combine greed with an absence of common sense. You get irony. Shooting yourself in the foot and everyone else. But another issue with WCS has been it's been a year locked thing: no one wants to change anything during a WCS season. The swam host could have literally and figuratively killed its viewers, yet you would hear some fluffy lie + "WCS season bro... it wouldn't be fair..." It's like coming up with a horrible ladder build, testing it out and realizing it's god awful, yet making a vow to use it, and only it, for the next year. No exceptions. That's just, well, bronze league. And that's where you will stay for a year. Or, in this case... 3+ years and counting. When you look at where SC 2 was and where it is now, are we seriously going to place all of the blame on MOBAs? Fire someone, please. I'm tired of seeing 0 accountability. "Let's just wait and see." How long are we supposed to wait before this game makes sense to play, for anyone? It's just so frustrating to feel like the same people who helped tank this game's popularity are the same ones still at helm. How does that breed optimism? They still won't even admit mistakes... | ||
Sharkken
Jordan141 Posts
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