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When you introduce a glass floor like this, the quality will automatically go down. You are basically introducing artificially created champions into the scene.
These players will have low motivation( they dont have to practice\ train as their money is guaranteed),
Low quality games will be the result and thus the viewer base will decline. Over the last 3 years we have seen tighter restrictions for WCS and to be honest its actually been bad for the scene. The standard we have been watching is getting worse. None of the top foreigners are remaining or playing to a super high standard currently
Naniwa \Stephano \Scarlett\ Bunny where has they gone? These are the only players i have seen playing to a super high standard on a consistent basis
The rest put up a good game once in a while but fundamentally they just not good enough for top flight play
Do you really want to see a player like Hitman who as funny as it is making a run last year, be the next champion of this region?
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This feels disgustingly close to racism.
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On December 12 2015 19:11 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 18:45 opisska wrote:
If you read the whole article, it also mentions that Take refused to kick out Koreans from HSC and thus he dropped from giving WCS points. Which in my opinion increases the legitimacy of the information, because afaik HSC was supposed to give points and then it suddenly changed and this would be a plausible explanation. I don't understand how they were going to justify that in the first place. I thought there was meant to be a minimum percentage of qualified players for it to possibly receive WCS points in the first place. HSC is almost entirely invites.
Well that percentage is 25%, so 8 players and HSC always gave away 8 slots per qualifiers and awarded WCS points. I think the last HSC didn't award WCS points, because was sponsoring it.
Edit: And Christmas HSCs often don't have WCS points, because they are right after BlizzCon as Elentos said.
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On December 12 2015 19:55 Horiken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 19:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On December 12 2015 18:58 Horiken wrote:
In league of legends Korea is by far the best nation, but they only get 3/16 spot . 8/16 is OK. Korea may be strong contry, but just a small Asia country. I don`t get it. So what`s your point? A tourney should be quartered by nation`s size, not by one`s performance? of course YES. Why FIFA gives 4.5 spot for ASIA in WC? 1 or 2 is enough! Because in Asia there are a lot of viewers. They even try to expand participants 32 to 40, this is because they want China big money. (I don't think China can make it happen even though asia gets 6 or 7 spots) . The most important is money/viewers, competition level next. Korea is strong but they have very few viewers. Imagine LoL is same system as SC2.Most of Worlds participants from Korea. non-korean team knocked out so early. Viewer number will drop significantly. That's why Riot gives spot for every region,only 3 for Korea.
Ridiculous. Here we`re talking about professional sports league. What is most important is competitiveness. This scene will be dead If this rule is blurred by audience value. For instance, people won`t watch WCS if Winter is playing in WCS just for having many viewers.
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On December 12 2015 21:32 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 19:11 Phredxor wrote:On December 12 2015 18:45 opisska wrote:
If you read the whole article, it also mentions that Take refused to kick out Koreans from HSC and thus he dropped from giving WCS points. Which in my opinion increases the legitimacy of the information, because afaik HSC was supposed to give points and then it suddenly changed and this would be a plausible explanation. I don't understand how they were going to justify that in the first place. I thought there was meant to be a minimum percentage of qualified players for it to possibly receive WCS points in the first place. HSC is almost entirely invites. Well that percentage is 25%, so 8 players and HSC always gave away 8 slots per qualifiers and awarded WCS points. I think there was single HSC without WCS points, because Kinguin was sponsoring it.
At least 2, the one last year with the Flash vs PartinG finals had no points because it was right after Blizzcon.
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In a long time I can say that this gives a reason to be ashamed working in eSports. I question how Blizzard can name Blizzcon the very best 16 players in the world when they are preventing Koreans to qualify through it also decreasing competition in nearly all major EU and NA tournaments.
While not every agreed and liked that Koreans come to foreign tournaments and dominate them, I believe LOTV was a chance for a fresh start - while I believe personally that the game favors Koreans more than HOTS I still believe that it was exciting to see how foreign players did vs Koreans even when they lost. Now Dreamhack , IEM and other tournaments (dont forget qualifiers as well) are "a better Go4Sc2 Sunday". Makes me very sad.
I am aware that Koreans could move over and that is the intention but lets be honest - how many Koreans will leave KeSPa and move over? You need a team, financial support and most important of all: I guess most are not comfortable with giving up their life to move into a foreign country.
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This would be terrible. Level of play outside of Korea would drop dramatically and so would the viewership - I probably wouldn't waste my time watching events featuring only the foreign "talent".
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On December 12 2015 21:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 21:32 Musicus wrote:On December 12 2015 19:11 Phredxor wrote:On December 12 2015 18:45 opisska wrote:
If you read the whole article, it also mentions that Take refused to kick out Koreans from HSC and thus he dropped from giving WCS points. Which in my opinion increases the legitimacy of the information, because afaik HSC was supposed to give points and then it suddenly changed and this would be a plausible explanation. I don't understand how they were going to justify that in the first place. I thought there was meant to be a minimum percentage of qualified players for it to possibly receive WCS points in the first place. HSC is almost entirely invites. Well that percentage is 25%, so 8 players and HSC always gave away 8 slots per qualifiers and awarded WCS points. I think there was single HSC without WCS points, because Kinguin was sponsoring it. At least 2, the one last year with the Flash vs PartinG finals had no points because it was right after Blizzcon.
Ah yeah, christmas HSC sometimes doesn't give WCS points because the next season is not even announced I guess.
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On December 12 2015 21:36 NarutO wrote:
In a long time I can say that this gives a reason to be ashamed working in eSports. I question how Blizzard can name Blizzcon the very best 16 players in the world when they are preventing Koreans to qualify through it also decreasing competition in nearly all major EU and NA tournaments.
While not every agreed and liked that Koreans come to foreign tournaments and dominate them, I believe LOTV was a chance for a fresh start - while I believe personally that the game favors Koreans more than HOTS I still believe that it was exciting to see how foreign players did vs Koreans even when they lost. Now Dreamhack , IEM and other tournaments (dont forget qualifiers as well) are "a better Go4Sc2 Sunday". Makes me very sad.
I am aware that Koreans could move over and that is the intention but lets be honest - how many Koreans will leave KeSPa and move over? You need a team, financial support and most important of all: I guess most are not comfortable with giving up their life to move into a foreign country.
Welp at least koreans are not banned from playing GO4SC2 cups 
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The Top foreigner as of now is a protoss who can do allins. A boring player who can beat b class koreans. I wish snute was back on "rekt herO" level. Its simply uuninteresting to watch foreign only competition. I didnt tune in for nation wars once.
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why cant we just have the best players win?
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Last hsc finals were incredible. Youll NEVER get similar hype in any foreigner vs foreigner finals.
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On December 12 2015 21:32 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 19:11 Phredxor wrote:On December 12 2015 18:45 opisska wrote:
If you read the whole article, it also mentions that Take refused to kick out Koreans from HSC and thus he dropped from giving WCS points. Which in my opinion increases the legitimacy of the information, because afaik HSC was supposed to give points and then it suddenly changed and this would be a plausible explanation. I don't understand how they were going to justify that in the first place. I thought there was meant to be a minimum percentage of qualified players for it to possibly receive WCS points in the first place. HSC is almost entirely invites. Well that percentage is 25%, so 8 players and HSC always gave away 8 slots per qualifiers and awarded WCS points. I think the last HSC didn't award WCS points, because was sponsoring it. Edit: And Christmas HSCs often don't have WCS points, because they are right after BlizzCon as Elentos said.
Oh wow, I figured it'd be higher than 25%.. Never mind then :D
On December 12 2015 21:59 boxerfred wrote:
Last hsc finals were incredible. Youll NEVER get similar hype in any foreigner vs foreigner finals.
Sacsri vs Rain?
Parting vs Flash was sick though.
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if they got red bull, esl and dreamhack to agree, I guess it should be okay. I would laugh my ass of if kespa stations a team in europe and farms all the price money XD.
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Just as I started having hope for LotV, they hit me with this. This is going to kill the game.
This was long overdue, foreign scene has been complaining and demanding this type of welfare system for a long time. Honestly I was surprised that they didn't go all the way with it from the start of HotS. If you have been paying attention to the trend it was inevitable that this would be the result, Blizzard slowly split the scene apart through restrictions for a long time.
Would you be surprised if they started to ask Koreans to play with one hand tied behind their back in a couple years?
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On December 12 2015 21:36 NarutO wrote:
In a long time I can say that this gives a reason to be ashamed working in eSports. I question how Blizzard can name Blizzcon the very best 16 players in the world when they are preventing Koreans to qualify through it also decreasing competition in nearly all major EU and NA tournaments.
While not every agreed and liked that Koreans come to foreign tournaments and dominate them, I believe LOTV was a chance for a fresh start - while I believe personally that the game favors Koreans more than HOTS I still believe that it was exciting to see how foreign players did vs Koreans even when they lost. Now Dreamhack , IEM and other tournaments (dont forget qualifiers as well) are "a better Go4Sc2 Sunday". Makes me very sad.
I am aware that Koreans could move over and that is the intention but lets be honest - how many Koreans will leave KeSPa and move over? You need a team, financial support and most important of all: I guess most are not comfortable with giving up their life to move into a foreign country.
So... This is actually what happened. That article tells the truth and the reason HSC no longer gives points even after announcing they would is because Take refused to accept Blizzard's bullshit... 
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Personally I stopped watching WCS after they barred Koreans from that (except the 2-3 Koreans living outside Korea).
Banning them from Dreamhack/IEM etc. will stop me from watching those tournaments too. I have no interest whatsoever in watching subsidized foreigners compete against each other in an easy-mode tournament. It's a sham with no quality to the games, and ends up sending a token "champion" to Blizzcon to be smashed by people who actually put effort and time into mastering the game.
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At this point I don't really care anymore.
They can do whatever they want to increase foreigner participation at blizzcon, at this point any fan who pays attention at least a tiny bit will see right through it.
This is going to backfire in a very fun way. I'm looking forward to see that happen. The drama with Lilbow this year was a great precursor.
GSL, Proleague and SSL will be unaffected by these changes and they will still remain the only tournaments that really matter while WCS will slip further and further into the realm of being a complete joke.
I am ok with this now. Let the community divide itself on what it really wants to see. I already know where I will be.
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I guess the point is to give foreigner something to practice for where they actually can win money. Which has its ups and down.
But what I would like to see is a tournament that functions like the european championship in football. A tournament with the soul intent to anoint the best european player (and of course tournaments for other regions as well).
Determining the best random kespa korean that was allowed to travel to a DH or IEM was hardly exciting.
Having koreans move to where they wanna play at least helps that scene.
And forcing foreigners in to blizzcon is just silly.
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These changes are pretty terrible. IEM in particular were awesome, especially if you include the korean qualifiers... If the new system happens, only GSL and SSL will be worth it to watch.
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