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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
On December 12 2015 22:17 Ctesias wrote: Personally I stopped watching WCS after they barred Koreans from that (except the 2-3 Koreans living outside Korea). Banning them from Dreamhack/IEM etc. will stop me from watching those tournaments too. I have no interest whatsoever in watching subsidized foreigners compete against each other in an easy-mode tournament. It's a sham with no quality to the games, and ends up sending a token "champion" to Blizzcon to be smashed by people who actually put effort and time into mastering the game. Yep, same here. I pretty much didn't watch WCS at all after that. I went from watching pretty much all of WCS EU and all the weekend events to only watching the weekend ones. If this is true I guess I'll mostly stop watching at all since almost all the korean events are played during work hours. I guess HSC will still be worth watching, but that's about it. Let's hope these rumors aren't the whole picture. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
![[image loading]](https://cdn.empowernetwork.com/user_images/post/2013/03/01/d/46/a623/540_293_resize_20130301_d46a623e09462e71873b3563fee4458d_jpg.jpg) User was warned for this post | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On December 12 2015 22:25 Gullis wrote: I guess the point is to give foreigner something to practice for where they actually can win money. Which has its ups and down. But what I would like to see is a tournament that functions like the european championship in football. A tournament with the soul intent to anoint the best european player (and of course tournaments for other regions as well). Determining the best random kespa korean that was allowed to travel to a DH or IEM was hardly exciting. Having koreans move to where they wanna play at least helps that scene. And forcing foreigners in to blizzcon is just silly. But it doesn't really help the scene generally, since they won't be playing on the server (guessing most would move to NA where its easier to get the right VISA and where the ping to Korea isn't as bad)... And foreigners actually used to be able to win money in the old WCS system, it was 2k for finishing 64 in a tournament setting 30-50% of the prizepool will go to the guy winning it, while the up and coming talent will get almost nothing... | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On December 12 2015 22:27 jahnesta wrote: These changes are pretty terrible. IEM in particular were awesome, especially if you include the korean qualifiers... If the new system happens, only GSL and SSL will be worth it to watch. and HSC  | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On December 12 2015 22:35 Kerence wrote: Yep, same here. I pretty much didn't watch WCS at all after that. I went from watching pretty much all of WCS EU and all the weekend events to only watching the weekend ones. If this is true I guess I'll mostly stop watching at all since almost all the korean events are played during work hours. I guess HSC will still be worth watching, but that's about it. Let's hope these rumors aren't the whole picture. Nowadays the VODs for the Korean events are up pretty early, so I just don't get myself spoilered and watch them while reading the LR thread, and on PL final days aswell as if a final for a GSL sooo thats fun :D | ||
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kottbullar
Australia490 Posts
I'm a foreigner fanboy. I watched BW from Boxer vs Garimto all the way to TBLS era. I wouldn't want SC2 scene to go back to the BW-style korean centric model. That said, most of the fun in watching foreigners come from Korean vs foreigner matchups. It's the underdog story, and the anticipation that this one random EU/NA guy might just be the next Stephano. Segregating the two scenes would remove the essential element of that story. | ||
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xyzz
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On December 12 2015 22:58 xyzz wrote: I think this is a great change. It allows american and european starcraft pro players finally to make some good money from tournaments for a couple years before Blizzard shuts down their 'e-sport experiment' and the game suffers a slow death. This is a great change because they are going to hand out charity to foreigners before they completely kill the game? Great logic there. | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
It is also interesting how many are selfishly approaching this. I wonder if any of these people have ever actually talked to some of the current NA/EU pro players and talked about their living conditions etc... It's amazing how some of these players ended up in their pro-gaming positions and what they had to/have to give up to even remain in them. Honestly, if you're thinking of any other approach to this you might as well tell these people to go back to regular life because if you hadn't noticed.. as of the current times.. it's pretty tough with little support for the NA scene in particular to even exist. How many NA teams are there last time you checked? Why do you think that is? We also see a ton of complaints here about what the viewer is getting, which is also mildly hilarious considering how hard it is to get people to even support things like GSL/Proleague, but please, we only want the best players at blizzcon! Also interesting to note is how people bash on how sc2 is a small time game compared to everything else.... I wonder if these people have forgotten about the time when SC2 was by far on top of Justin.TV with 10k+ viewer for top players... If you remember.. it's more that some certain companies dropped the ball with leagues, support for their communities etc etc.. There are many more reasons other than SC2 simply being an RTS game for why the community is smaller. My notes on the posts here so far.. ;( | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On December 12 2015 23:09 -Kyo- wrote: It is also interesting how many are selfishly approaching this. I wonder if any of these people have ever actually talked to some of the current NA/EU pro players and talked about their living conditions etc... It's no less selfish to fuck korean players in the process of attempting to help foreigners, and make it so that they would only be able to participate in so few real tournaments a year certainly would fuck them a whole lot. But once again, people with nda's tell us that we don't have all the facts, I'm not sure why we are behaving like we know what's happening (actually I know why, I would never expect people in here not to shit on blizzard, but it's not a sufficient reason in itself) | ||
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Eiltonn
Germany307 Posts
On December 12 2015 22:27 jahnesta wrote: These changes are pretty terrible. IEM in particular were awesome, especially if you include the korean qualifiers... If the new system happens, only GSL and SSL will be worth it to watch. So true. Actually IEM KR Qualifiers were usually better than the IEM itself. Not from the production etc. but the games were insanely good and stacked with top players. | ||
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calh
537 Posts
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On December 12 2015 23:09 -Kyo- wrote: It is also interesting how many are selfishly approaching this. I wonder if any of these people have ever actually talked to some of the current NA/EU pro players and talked about their living conditions etc... It's amazing how some of these players ended up in their pro-gaming positions and what they had to/have to give up to even remain in them. Honestly, if you're thinking of any other approach to this you might as well tell these people to go back to regular life because if you hadn't noticed.. as of the current times.. it's pretty tough with little support for the NA scene in particular to even exist. How many NA teams are there last time you checked? Why do you think that is? So taking money away from Koreans who work harder to give to foreigners is a good thing? smh This welfare/charity probably will give those foreigners more money in the short term, but it sure won't make them more competitive with the top Koreans in the long term. PS Why is the living conditions of foreigner pros a concern? Foreigners that have produced results get more direct invites, casting opportunity, and stream viewers than a Korean with a comparable accomplishment. Shouldn't we be just as concerned about the living conditions of Korean B-teamers that are "just trying to make it" in the industry? | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 12 2015 17:22 BigFan wrote: Well, this can't be good for the scene. Probably best to hear the news from Blizzard themselves before passing judgement. so, what kind of bet did you lose that made you post that sig lol. has to be blizzcon finals. I bet he lost to cricketeer. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On December 12 2015 23:58 stuchiu wrote: has to be blizzcon finals. I bet he lost to cricketeer. You are correct, of course. I also lost to him ~_~ | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
One believes that forbidding Koreans from participating will lower the quality of foreign tournaments ( Reasonably true ) and thus lower the viewership and interest in SC2 in the foreign scene ( only time can tell on this ). While the other believes that having a strict region lock will attract newer people into the scene who might not be interested in watching koreans dominate the whole damn time. And there actually is real life proof of it. Let's just look at football ( not the US version ) and Rugby. Football and its World Cup are probably the most popular and most watched sport in the world. It generates so much interest and hype because countries from all over the world try to qualify and there is basically representation from all regions. More importantly, even though there might only be a handful of favorites every time, it is not certain they would win. Does it mean that Japan or South Africa is going to win the World Cup anytime soon? Probably not but it does attract the interest of their people who might otherwise not give a damn about it. Compare it to Rugby. Sure a lot of people play it all over the world. And it got a lot of attention with the recent Rugby World Cup, but in terms or interest or popularity, i think we can all agree that it is no where near Football and one of the reasons i think is because of representation and come on, even though i don't watch rugby, even i know that the odds of New Zealand winning is about the same as a Korean winning a foreign tournament. Like it or not, that does not help in getting New people into the sport. Hey wanna watch the rugby world cup? And ya New Zealand is going to win. I strongly believe that Blizzard is in the second camp. I know that alot of people in tl forums are in the first camp. But i also believe that people like us who comes to tl forums are already part of the core group of SC2 community. We are here because we are interested in the SC2 competitive scene. But the scene is not going to get any bigger just based on us. At this point in the game, yes even with the release of LOTV, if no changes are made, then i doubt there will be a huge increase in people interested in the competitive scene. Blizzard wants to attract people other than us. People that do not come to tl forums. People who might not even play SC2. People who would not be interested at all if its always Koreans winning. Whether their way works or not, is of course up for debate, but i am of the view that the scene is not going to get bigger because we only want to watch the Best play. Only the Elite koreans should win. We are of course entitled to our opinion but that just isn't what Blizzard wants. Any company wants their service or product to become more popular. Unless we can convince Blizzard that a Only-Koreans-Win scenario is going to make the scene bigger. For me, i have been watching since 2011. I have never been able to convince anyone around me to be interested in the competitive SC2 scene. That of course is not just due to only koreans winning, but if blizzard wants to grow the scene, maybe it is time for a change. | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
If this "overhaul" means we will see ~5 IEM, 5 DH and 5 RB tournaments in 2016, then this is actually better we have seen this year. | ||
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Eighty7Gaming
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