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On October 20 2015 01:17 brickrd wrote:
i dunno how old you are, but i've known many many many people who were still mired in the ignorance of youth at 22. 16, 18, 19, 21, these are arbitrary numbers governments make up to categorize "adulthood" or "maturity" legally. they don't actually mean anything. maybe your brain and body stop developing in your 20s, but life experience is equally important (if not more so) as physical development when it comes to considering someone a mature individual, and there is absolutely no majority of common sense among 22-year-olds that i've noticed. in fact, people in their early 20s are pretty fucking dumb and doe-eyed
not saying absolve yoda totally or trying to white knight him, but yes i do think there's something to saying someone is a "kid" at 22. maybe you'll be tried as an adult at 22, that's how the legal system works, but that doesn't make you in any way the emotional equal of someone who's even just several years older than you
As a side note there's been a recent thing suggesting that you're actually still developing until about the age of 25 or 26. So in effect you're not even 'properly mature' until then. And then the whole "life experience" thing comes into it.
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the thing is, SC2 isn't winnable. the esports eco is not vibrant enough.
do these things happen in LoL or DOTA2?
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On October 20 2015 01:17 brickrd wrote:
i dunno how old you are, but i've known many many many people who were still mired in the ignorance of youth at 22. 16, 18, 19, 21, these are arbitrary numbers governments make up to categorize "adulthood" or "maturity" legally. they don't actually mean anything. maybe your brain and body stop developing in your 20s, but life experience is equally important (if not more so) as physical development when it comes to considering someone a mature individual, and there is absolutely no majority of common sense among 22-year-olds that i've noticed. in fact, people in their early 20s are pretty fucking dumb and doe-eyed
not saying absolve yoda totally or trying to white knight him, but yes i do think there's something to saying someone is a "kid" at 22. maybe you'll be tried as an adult at 22, that's how the legal system works, but that doesn't make you in any way the emotional equal of someone who's even just several years older than you
I'm 26, and while the numbers are picked arbitrarily by government, I didn't mean I think 22 is an age that I selected in reference to the age of adulthood of 18. It's just an age where I personally believe that you should be held responsible for your actions, even though you might still "mire in the ignorance of youth". People are quick to call YoDa a kid when he really wasn't a kid anymore and you seem to agree, I don't. I know that when I was 22 I was dumb in many ways (and still am) but I just don't buy the "kid" argument, which frankly is nothing more than an excuse to try to diminish the blame on him.
No, at 22 you don't get to pull that off anymore. 18-19, fine, maybe. But not 22. I don't buy it. And it's not just brain development or whatever, at that age your brain development, however incomplete, is perfectly capable of reasoning these things out.
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On October 20 2015 03:11 masterrn wrote:
the thing is, SC2 isn't winnable. the esports eco is not vibrant enough.
do these things happen in LoL or DOTA2?
Solo and RoX.KIS in DOTA2.
Guy got caught betting on the other team in a game which he then threw.
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Goddamn, this is hard to read. I can't imagine how it must feel to be deceived like this by someone you consider family...
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On October 19 2015 23:29 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:17 Thax wrote:On October 19 2015 23:09 Djzapz wrote:
If anyone ever needed a reminder that money corrupts... they'll lie to their closest friend to make a buck. They'll lie to their fans, even if they know of the consequences. That's how bad people want the dough. It's more like that once you've started there's not an easy way out. Yoda could've hardly come out and confessed to MC without risking MC turning him in. That also shows in that Yoda got payed for fixing his first 2 matches but was blackmailed into fixing the last 2. Once you're in over your head with illegal activities the slope gets really steep and slippery quite quickly. I think the bit about how he said it wasn't true with "tears in his eyes" struck me as particularly fucking deceitful. I don't understand why we shouldn't be very critical of that considering that YoDa's not the first person to have gone through hardship and we're usually not too incline to defend people who justify their shitty actions on their alleged poverty. South Korea's not exactly a bastion of hard life... well at least not until you fuck yourself over by doing something that's viewed as particularly egregious by the local culture, like match fixing. I don't particularly care tbh, I don't follow the scene much, but I mean the "kid" burned himself and fucked people along the way. Sucks for MC. Hopefully YoDa gets his shit together. Also, I want to say, if anyone ever feels like SC2 is no longer to be taken seriously, remember how people defend with relative consistency the anticompetitive actions of the players. I'm not talking about you, Thax, I'm talking in general. It seems to me like there isn't much that takes away from the sport more than the idea that competition is rigged and one player may not be playing to the maximum of their ability because of match fixing. What benefit could there possibly be in taking these things lightly?
Or maybe he was crying because he realized he got into a deep pile of shit and could not even tell his friend the truth, plus being ashamed of it.
The good thing about all of this, Yoda is the perfect nickname for puns about the dark side.
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It's good they caught Yoda.He can serve as an example. So does the coach ...
I understand MC hurting and trying to distance himself from something like this .
Man ....
I just realized I have been checking teamliquid site at least 15 times per week for the last 8 years, but in the last two or three weeks I have been avoiding opening the web browser to do that.
Too many bad news in such a short period of time for me ....
These are some trying times.
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Why do people continue to deny this after they're caught? Own up to your mistakes... don't ruin friendships as well as your career...
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Lying when you get caught is a basic human thing. Most of us would do the same.
I don't feel like blaming YoDa for this cause I like him a lot as a player and really it all boils down to money and having an opportunity to provide for your close ones. Progaming is a hard path to choose, especially on a platform like SC2 that has only been going downhill popularity-wise.
They're kids, they can't make such decisions by themselves, it's the people behind the whole match-fixing idea that should be focused on.
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On October 20 2015 03:11 masterrn wrote:
the thing is, SC2 isn't winnable. the esports eco is not vibrant enough.
do these things happen in LoL or DOTA2?
Since both LoL and Dota 2 are team games and isn't too reliant on one person determining the final result, it isn't as prevalent but there have been cases in the past for both games.
With Dota 2's new major series which aims to spread out the prize money to more teams, the chances of matchfixing has been lowered.
In League of Legends, a Korean pro player attempted suicide by jumping off a building when their team manager forced them to intentionally lose games.
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On October 20 2015 04:51 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:11 masterrn wrote:
the thing is, SC2 isn't winnable. the esports eco is not vibrant enough.
do these things happen in LoL or DOTA2? Solo and RoX.KIS in DOTA2. Guy got caught betting on the other team in a game which he then threw.
Good to know. Thanks!
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MC has always been a pro's pro. He proves it again here. Most stand up player in SC2.
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On October 19 2015 13:52 Die4Ever wrote:
MC is one of the best things to ever happen to SC2
Fixed
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MC is a good man, a decent humanbeing. One can not love that guy.
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I actually had a dream pretty and a very long one at that. But I was the one with tears in my eyes and was trying to convince all Pro-gamers, Houses Kespa and Coaches, everything! Cant really remember more of the dream but I was heartbroken. When I woke up I instantly watched TL and saw it was true I had a very small hope when I woke up
(I always dream every single night, i mean we all do but I always remember them 
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Okay I get it.
So MC is Jim Raynor
Yoda is Tychus Findley.
This is like the WoL story - Raynor gave Tychus and his suit a place to stay (Hyperion / Germany) and in the end he finds out he sided with darkness (Arcturus / Mobius Gerrard Foundation / Throwing Games).
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On October 20 2015 12:29 vesicular wrote:
MC has always been a pro's pro. He proves it again here. Most stand up player in SC2.
I really miss the MC vs Idra days. That was probably the height of SC2.
LotV feels like it's getting ready for the nail on the coffin. One can only hope this can succeed better than Heroes of the Storm.
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On October 22 2015 10:34 masterrn wrote:
Okay I get it.
So MC is Jim Raynor
Yoda is Tychus Findley.
This is like the WoL story - Raynor gave Tychus and his suit a place to stay (Hyperion / Germany) and in the end he finds out he sided with darkness (Arcturus / Mobius Gerrard Foundation / Throwing Games).
couldn't have said it better myself
+ Show Spoiler +except Yoda isn't even as good as Tychus, who went to Jail to protect Raynor
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I'd like to bet that, at this point, more people are angry at Yoda FOR LYING TO MC, than for what he actually did.
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