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MC's thoughts on YoDa's match-fixing.

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 04:39:56
October 19 2015 04:32 GMT
#1
MC wrote some of his thoughts on today's news. Here's a translation.
(Original, Korean post on PGR21.com)



I haven't lived with Gerrard or talked to him a lot, so I won't say anything about him.

But YoDa, he was one of my gamer colleagues who I felt closest to, so I'm writing this.

I am in no way defending him. I'm just writing my feelings on this incident.

I first met YoDa when I moved into the IM team house.

I thought he was just an ordinary guy who liked games, so I treated him well like I do with all of the younger players, and we slowly grew more friendly.

After I left the IM team house, YoDa and First also left.

YoDa said he couldn't continue being a gamer from his own home, so he asked me if he could live with me.

Well, living by myself was lonely for me, so I brought him in, fed him and gave him a place to sleep, and we lived together for a year that way.

Then, a good opportunity came up in Germany, so I took those two and headed to the house in Germany, and we lived there for yet another year. Our friendship grew deeper and we had a lot of good memories.

We split up when we returned to Korea this year. I ended up deciding to retire, and I wished them luck going forward.

So I went to YoDa's games to cheer him on...

I still remember, when he first became suspected of fixing matches.

Him telling me it wasn't true, that it wasn't fair, with tears in his eyes.

So I didn't believe it was true.

Think about it. A kid you've lived with for 3 years, someone who might as well be your actual brother, crying and saying it's unjust. Who wouldn't believe him?

After that, before the news stories came out, I heard from colleagues around me that he had been taken to the police station.

I tried in every possible way to contact YoDa, but I wasn't able to contact him, nor his family.

Mmmm.... I guess the last time I saw him in my life was at a gathering with the people who lived together in Germany.

Well, I believed him until the very end. What hurts most is that he betrayed and deceived his fellow gamers, and me, who thought of him as a younger brother.

If it was some other crime, some accident, I would have tried to protect him.

But for a progamer to lose on purpose in a match,

That's the most shameful thing in the world.

I want to say something to the people who arrange the match-fixing, the people who are thinking about it.

A true gamer makes his money by winning.

As a gamer, I've never had the slightest thought of losing on purpose.

I'm not even a progamer now, just someone who streams on the internet. But as someone who was once friends with YoDa and was active as a StarCraft 2 progamer,

On their behalf, I want to offer my deepest apologies to fans of esports and fans of StarCraft 2 who were hurt by this.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 19 2015 04:36 GMT
#2
i actually hate yoda more for breaking MC's heart ;_;
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 19 2015 04:39 GMT
#3
MC knows the right way of gaining money, for sure.
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Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
October 19 2015 04:45 GMT
#4
This is pretty painful to read
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 19 2015 04:47 GMT
#5
MC was like your father Yoda :[
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
October 19 2015 04:52 GMT
#6
MC is one of the best things to ever happen to SC2
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 04:55:23
October 19 2015 04:54 GMT
#7
reminds me of five years ago...

Coach Cho Kyu-nam (ex CJ coach, before match fixing scandal broke out)
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.


a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 19 2015 04:56 GMT
#8
This reminds me of Aaron Rodgers and Ryan Braun when Braun was accused of using steroids and denied it while his friend Rodgers defended him to everyone and on Twitter. Turned out Braun lied to him and was suspended for using steroids.

http://jsonline.com/sports/packers/aaron-rodgers-on-ryan-braun-it-doesnt-feel-great-being-lied-to-b9962731z1-217193151.html
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 19 2015 04:57 GMT
#9
My eyes teared up reading this. I would feel so betrayed if someone close to me did something like this.

This is a pretty messed up situation.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
October 19 2015 04:59 GMT
#10
On October 19 2015 13:54 GTR wrote:
reminds me of five years ago...

Show nested quote +
Coach Cho Kyu-nam (ex CJ coach, before match fixing scandal broke out)
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.


a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.

damn that's sad
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 19 2015 05:00 GMT
#11
A very emotional read. I feel for MC.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
October 19 2015 05:06 GMT
#12
Yeah, I've never been manipulated and lied to this extent. I have no idea how you can decide who to trust.
I feel for MC.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 19 2015 05:07 GMT
#13
Tough situation
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27162 Posts
October 19 2015 05:17 GMT
#14
On October 19 2015 13:54 GTR wrote:
reminds me of five years ago...

Show nested quote +
Coach Cho Kyu-nam (ex CJ coach, before match fixing scandal broke out)
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.


a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.


That was the end of BW for me.
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 05:25:01
October 19 2015 05:23 GMT
#15
There are a few figures I've met in my life that make me think like this. If I knew someone had done something similar... I'd probably have felt the same way.

I think it is so difficult for me to empathize with how MC feels because I don't speak Korean and I didn't spend enough time in Korea to really feel any experience like this.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
October 19 2015 05:23 GMT
#16
just terrible
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
October 19 2015 05:43 GMT
#17
Thanks MC, Wax. It's good to hear stuff like this, people who were close by the accused.

So sad, so many people work so hard for esports. They put their life into it, literally. We all know what kind of damage this kind of stuff can do.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 19 2015 05:47 GMT
#18
On October 19 2015 13:36 lichter wrote:
i actually hate yoda more for breaking MC's heart ;_;


I liked YoDa it's really sad to see this
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
October 19 2015 05:48 GMT
#19
Feel better MC Our thoughts and supports are with you!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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muHb
Profile Joined August 2010
United States75 Posts
October 19 2015 05:49 GMT
#20
i feel so disappointed after reading this... MC is a good man
May the optimism of tomorrow be your foundation for today.
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