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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1259 Posts
October 19 2015 05:52 GMT
#21
Damn this cuts deep. Poor MC - the feels of being let down by someone who's become your brother must be terrible.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
stevethemacguy
Profile Joined September 2008
United States137 Posts
October 19 2015 06:07 GMT
#22
Sorry to hear that, MC. Thanks for streaming and continuing to support eSports!
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity" -maximus decimus meridius
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
October 19 2015 06:09 GMT
#23
Wow, YoDa you're scum. After all MC has done for you and you lie to his face like this.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 19 2015 06:15 GMT
#24
I obviously don't know any of the players personally, but this is kinda like my feelings as a Prime fan about the team as a whole - I wanted to believe that they were just going through a rough spot, that they needed a new sponsor, or some new players, or a new coach, and they could come back. And when I realized they weren't coming back, I thought there was no shame in quietly dying off, after all pretty much all the other original sc2 squads already have. But to go out like this...

I guess in the end it turned out to be a good thing that so many other Prime players ended up leaving or retiring, hopefully they escaped being caught up in this sad, sordid affair.
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
October 19 2015 06:35 GMT
#25
Thanks for those words MC, especially the last ones. They mean a lot in those dark times.
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
October 19 2015 06:42 GMT
#26
I'm not sure about the real situation. Yoda and the rest got arrested, but there's a trial ahead, there's no sentence yet so we can't be sure there are enough evidences. Of course I'm sad about this trouble, Yoda was a good terran and he never got the chance to be invited in a really rich and legendary team. In other case, this would never happen. Savior was much bigger loss, all of his championships were removed, but Yoda still got nothing to lose.
Whatever has to be done, it has to be. It's good that the authorities and the procecution did their job, let's hope those matches won't turn into a practice.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 06:42:26
October 19 2015 06:42 GMT
#27
this is truly korean sitcom material

that's heartbreaking
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
October 19 2015 06:44 GMT
#28
On October 19 2015 15:42 Makro wrote:
this is truly korean sitcom material

that's heartbreaking

Maybe soap opera/drama would be more fitting
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 19 2015 07:14 GMT
#29
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 07:16:13
October 19 2015 07:15 GMT
#30
On October 19 2015 14:17 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 13:54 GTR wrote:
reminds me of five years ago...

Coach Cho Kyu-nam (ex CJ coach, before match fixing scandal broke out)
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.


a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.


That was the end of BW for me.


You're not alone. It sows mistrust, allegations, and conflict. Hearing about the Savior scandal made me feel physically ill. Arresting and prosecuting the guilty parties doesn't even feel particularly gratifying because you don't know how many more are out there who just haven't been caught. It's an awful miasma that seeps through every future competition. It would have been naive to think that the BW arrests put an end to matchfixing brokers, just like it's naive to think that YoDa and Gerrard and their 9+ cohorts acted alone or that more won't get the same idea to approach pro players and coaches. It takes years for viewers and fans to trust the competitive community again, and that trust will never quite get back to its original level. We always moderate heavily when it comes to matchfixing allegations because false incrimination can be life-ruining, but we have to know (and I think we all do already) that there will always be a shadowy side to any competitive sport or eSport. Even if it's not actively happening, there are always people hiding in the darkness trying to make it happen, and that's the truly repulsive thing.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
October 19 2015 07:27 GMT
#31
On October 19 2015 14:17 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 13:54 GTR wrote:
reminds me of five years ago...

Coach Cho Kyu-nam (ex CJ coach, before match fixing scandal broke out)
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.


a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.


That was the end of BW for me.

That was in a way the beginning of the end of BW.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
October 19 2015 07:47 GMT
#32
I could hear the tone of his voice, even through the translation. The scorn, the anger, the clear understanding that a line has been crossed. This is MC we're talking about. This is a man who, for his entire career, had only one interest, only one goal and desire to drive him above all else: To win. This is MC's very nature, it's who he is. When I hear these words in my head, I don't hear them being choked out through tears. I hear them as a final monologue before turning around and walking away from Yoda for good.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
October 19 2015 08:20 GMT
#33
God MC is great. Makes this situation all the more meaningful though, for better or worse.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 08:21:36
October 19 2015 08:20 GMT
#34
Worst part of all this is the disgracing of the "Yoda" handle
Legendary Jedi being tarnished by the dark side in the year 2015. Like Anakin 2.0
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ThunderBum
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia192 Posts
October 19 2015 08:23 GMT
#35
MC is absolutely correct, and retirement would have been a far better choice for these progamers.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6868 Posts
October 19 2015 08:26 GMT
#36
On October 19 2015 17:20 Pandemona wrote:
Worst part of all this is the disgracing of the "Yoda" handle
Legendary Jedi being tarnished by the dark side in the year 2015. Like Anakin 2.0

.....
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 19 2015 08:37 GMT
#37
Damn, the feels. MC is a boss, he was too good to you YoDa!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1769 Posts
October 19 2015 08:45 GMT
#38
lol this post he made makes me sure that he knew about it :D
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Corgi
Profile Joined December 2014
United States408 Posts
October 19 2015 10:06 GMT
#39
On October 19 2015 13:54 GTR wrote:
reminds me of five years ago...

Show nested quote +
Coach Cho Kyu-nam (ex CJ coach, before match fixing scandal broke out)
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.


a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.


Yeah well, he made a mistake even though his heart was in the right place. Going out and publicly defending people and saying its 100% not true without having any evidence other than the person in question begging you? He was probably asked to resign because of what he had said. Had he supported Savior but not publicly said anything until after the investigation had broke, maybe the outcome would have been different.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
October 19 2015 10:12 GMT
#40
must be crushing to have his loyalty betrayed like that
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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