I obviously don't know any of the players personally, but this is kinda like my feelings as a Prime fan about the team as a whole - I wanted to believe that they were just going through a rough spot, that they needed a new sponsor, or some new players, or a new coach, and they could come back. And when I realized they weren't coming back, I thought there was no shame in quietly dying off, after all pretty much all the other original sc2 squads already have. But to go out like this...

I guess in the end it turned out to be a good thing that so many other Prime players ended up leaving or retiring, hopefully they escaped being caught up in this sad, sordid affair.

[PkF] Wire

France24193 Posts

October 19 2015 06:35 GMT

#25

Thanks for those words MC, especially the last ones. They mean a lot in those dark times.

Veluvian

Bulgaria256 Posts

October 19 2015 06:42 GMT

#26

I'm not sure about the real situation. Yoda and the rest got arrested, but there's a trial ahead, there's no sentence yet so we can't be sure there are enough evidences. Of course I'm sad about this trouble, Yoda was a good terran and he never got the chance to be invited in a really rich and legendary team. In other case, this would never happen. Savior was much bigger loss, all of his championships were removed, but Yoda still got nothing to lose.
Whatever has to be done, it has to be. It's good that the authorities and the procecution did their job, let's hope those matches won't turn into a practice.

Makro

France16890 Posts

October 19 2015 06:42 GMT

#27

this is truly korean sitcom material

that's heartbreaking

Roadog

Canada1670 Posts

October 19 2015 06:44 GMT

#28

On October 19 2015 15:42 Makro wrote:
this is truly korean sitcom material

that's heartbreaking

Maybe soap opera/drama would be more fitting

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

October 19 2015 07:14 GMT

#29

Excalibur_Z

United States12235 Posts

October 19 2015 07:15 GMT

#30

On October 19 2015 14:17 Manifesto7 wrote:

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That was the end of BW for me.

You're not alone. It sows mistrust, allegations, and conflict. Hearing about the Savior scandal made me feel physically ill. Arresting and prosecuting the guilty parties doesn't even feel particularly gratifying because you don't know how many more are out there who just haven't been caught. It's an awful miasma that seeps through every future competition. It would have been naive to think that the BW arrests put an end to matchfixing brokers, just like it's naive to think that YoDa and Gerrard and their 9+ cohorts acted alone or that more won't get the same idea to approach pro players and coaches. It takes years for viewers and fans to trust the competitive community again, and that trust will never quite get back to its original level. We always moderate heavily when it comes to matchfixing allegations because false incrimination can be life-ruining, but we have to know (and I think we all do already) that there will always be a shadowy side to any competitive sport or eSport. Even if it's not actively happening, there are always people hiding in the darkness trying to make it happen, and that's the truly repulsive thing.

Elroi

Sweden5595 Posts

October 19 2015 07:27 GMT

#31

On October 19 2015 14:17 Manifesto7 wrote:

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That was the end of BW for me.

That was in a way the beginning of the end of BW.

Circumstance

United States11403 Posts

October 19 2015 07:47 GMT

#32

I could hear the tone of his voice, even through the translation. The scorn, the anger, the clear understanding that a line has been crossed. This is MC we're talking about. This is a man who, for his entire career, had only one interest, only one goal and desire to drive him above all else: To win. This is MC's very nature, it's who he is. When I hear these words in my head, I don't hear them being choked out through tears. I hear them as a final monologue before turning around and walking away from Yoda for good.

TheDougler

Canada8304 Posts

October 19 2015 08:20 GMT

#33

God MC is great. Makes this situation all the more meaningful though, for better or worse.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts

October 19 2015 08:20 GMT

#34

Worst part of all this is the disgracing of the "Yoda" handle

Legendary Jedi being tarnished by the dark side in the year 2015. Like Anakin 2.0

ThunderBum

Australia192 Posts

October 19 2015 08:23 GMT

#35

MC is absolutely correct, and retirement would have been a far better choice for these progamers.

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6573 Posts

October 19 2015 08:26 GMT

#36

On October 19 2015 17:20 Pandemona wrote:
Worst part of all this is the disgracing of the "Yoda" handle

Legendary Jedi being tarnished by the dark side in the year 2015. Like Anakin 2.0

.....

Musicus

Germany23576 Posts

October 19 2015 08:37 GMT

#37

Damn, the feels. MC is a boss, he was too good to you YoDa!

KameZerg

Sweden1762 Posts

October 19 2015 08:45 GMT

#38

lol this post he made makes me sure that he knew about it :D

Corgi

United States408 Posts

October 19 2015 10:06 GMT

#39

On October 19 2015 13:54 GTR wrote:
reminds me of five years ago...

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a few days later after all the information came out, coach cho announced his resignation from cj and his immediate retirement from coaching.

Yeah well, he made a mistake even though his heart was in the right place. Going out and publicly defending people and saying its 100% not true without having any evidence other than the person in question begging you? He was probably asked to resign because of what he had said. Had he supported Savior but not publicly said anything until after the investigation had broke, maybe the outcome would have been different.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

October 19 2015 10:12 GMT

#40

must be crushing to have his loyalty betrayed like that