EPTMC's thoughts on YoDa's match-fixing. - Page 4
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KiLL_ORdeR
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Captain Peabody
United States3139 Posts
 Sorry, MC. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
Besides MC speaking like progaming is some kind of code of honor über alles... LOL! | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On October 19 2015 23:09 Djzapz wrote: If anyone ever needed a reminder that money corrupts... they'll lie to their closest friend to make a buck. They'll lie to their fans, even if they know of the consequences. That's how bad people want the dough. It's more like that once you've started there's not an easy way out. Yoda could've hardly come out and confessed to MC without risking MC turning him in. That also shows in that Yoda got payed for fixing his first 2 matches but was blackmailed into fixing the last 2. Once you're in over your head with illegal activities the slope gets really steep and slippery quite quickly. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 19 2015 23:17 Thax wrote: It's more like that once you've started there's not an easy way out. Yoda could've hardly come out and confessed to MC without risking MC turning him in. That also shows in that Yoda got payed for fixing his first 2 matches but was blackmailed into fixing the last 2. Once you're in over your head with illegal activities the slope gets really steep and slippery quite quickly. I think the bit about how he said it wasn't true with "tears in his eyes" struck me as particularly fucking deceitful. I don't understand why we shouldn't be very critical of that considering that YoDa's not the first person to have gone through hardship and we're usually not too incline to defend people who justify their shitty actions on their alleged poverty. South Korea's not exactly a bastion of hard life... well at least not until you fuck yourself over by doing something that's viewed as particularly egregious by the local culture, like match fixing. I don't particularly care tbh, I don't follow the scene much, but I mean the "kid" burned himself and fucked people along the way. Sucks for MC. Hopefully YoDa gets his shit together. Also, I want to say, if anyone ever feels like SC2 is no longer to be taken seriously, remember how people defend with relative consistency the anticompetitive actions of the players. I'm not talking about you, Thax, I'm talking in general. It seems to me like there isn't much that takes away from the sport more than the idea that competition is rigged and one player may not be playing to the maximum of their ability because of match fixing. What benefit could there possibly be in taking these things lightly? | ||
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Logan_ps
United Kingdom118 Posts
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caznitch
Canada645 Posts
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On October 19 2015 23:29 Djzapz wrote: I think the bit about how he said it wasn't true with "tears in his eyes" struck me as particularly fucking deceitful. I don't understand why we shouldn't be very critical of that considering that YoDa's not the first person to have gone through hardship and we're usually not too incline to defend people who justify their shitty actions on their alleged poverty. South Korea's not exactly a bastion of hard life... well at least not until you fuck yourself over by doing something that's viewed as particularly egregious by the local culture, like gambling. I don't particularly care tbh, I don't follow the scene much, but I mean the "kid" burned himself and fucked people along the way. Sucks for MC. Hopefully he gets his shit together. Also, I want to say, if anyone ever feels like SC2 is no longer to be taken seriously, remember how people defend with relative consistency the anticompetitive actions of the players. I'm not talking about you, Thax, I'm talking in general. It seems to me like there isn't much that takes away from the sport more than the idea that competition is rigged and one player may not be playing to the maximum of their ability because of match fixing. What benefit could there possibly be in taking these things lightly? You're absolutely right. I wasn't defending Yoda. He messed it up himself. He lied to people and hurt people who trusted him. And those people have every right to be angry at him, his close friends and distant fans alike. My comment was about that, unlike the organizers of the betting ring, Yoda is more a dumb kid down on his luck who got pulled in over his head by his coach and other shady figures, rather than a professional criminal cheating and extorting for a living. None of that means he shouldn't face the legal and professional consequences of his actions of course. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
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Ctesias
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 19 2015 13:45 thecrazymunchkin wrote: This is pretty painful to read Yeah it was. Bring back bad memories. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
What I really don't understand is all the shaming on this thread. I mean ffs, he's a human being, we all fuck up. Nobody in this thread really understands the circumstances around this person's life that would lead them to match-fixing, but things like this don't happen in a vacuum. People don't steal and fix matches because, "My life is so great! I feel so good today, I think today I will match-fix." If life is good people will feel fulfillment in what they do, but if life is very hard people turn to strategies to change it and try to make it better. Sometimes the strategies are really mal-adaptive and don't actually help, maybe they even cause more pain to others. It's like a bo5 when the score is 2-2 and one player feels he has to go for cheese to win, then fails miserably (other guy dancing his units)... He is sad, I'm sad as a fan watching (because I want an epic series  ), and even the guy that won probably doesn't feel like he won, but more the other guy threw. Mal-adaptive strategy.Like I said, I get the hurt and anger people feel, just not the shaming. On October 19 2015 23:39 caznitch wrote: We'll get through this! I appreciate this. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
MC has nothing to apologise for and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 20 2015 00:19 Thax wrote: You're absolutely right. I wasn't defending Yoda. He messed it up himself. He lied to people and hurt people who trusted him. And those people have every right to be angry at him, his close friends and distant fans alike. My comment was about that, unlike the organizers of the betting ring, Yoda is more a dumb kid down on his luck who got pulled in over his head by his coach and other shady figures, rather than a professional criminal cheating and extorting for a living. None of that means he shouldn't face the legal and professional consequences of his actions of course. To be fair the 2nd part of my post was mostly responding to the guy who said "Oh come on stop demonising YoDa. Why do you think he did it in the first place? Imagine living on the bread crums progamers in korea do" And to say he's a kid it a little bit weird. Sure he's no hardened criminal and should hardly be lynched for what can easily be constructed as a dumb mistake of youthful ignorance, but MC speaks of him as this kid he took under his wing. YoDa is no longer this kid. He's 22. That's the age at which by ANY standard, youthful ignorance is no longer an excuse to hide behind. At 22, barring mental illness, you make your own decisions, you're your own man. And so why shouldn't we demonize him, because he's broke? Poor South Korean progamer, living on bread crums... Yeah whatever. | ||
CynicalDeath
Italy3737 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 19 2015 21:43 nimdil wrote: I don't want to take anything from how MC is feeling but saying that progamer should earn money from winning is not exactly the most convincing argument when coming from a guy who won the biggest piece of c$ke in SC2. yeah but just because it's hard to make money doing something that doesn't mean you're entitled to more. if your business is not marketable and you fall into those who don't make a lot of money/can't make a living easily on it then maybe it's not the right business for you. i could be the best poop juggler in the world, but if no one wants to pay to see me juggle poop i can't complain that i'm not making a living wage, i need to find another line of work. so it shouldn't really matter whether MC is one of the lucky few because what he's saying is correct On October 20 2015 01:11 Djzapz wrote: i dunno how old you are, but i've known many many many people who were still mired in the ignorance of youth at 22. 16, 18, 19, 21, these are arbitrary numbers governments make up to categorize "adulthood" or "maturity" legally. they don't actually mean anything. maybe your brain and body stop developing in your 20s, but life experience is equally important (if not more so) as physical development when it comes to considering someone a mature individual, and there is absolutely no majority of common sense among 22-year-olds that i've noticed. in fact, people in their early 20s are pretty fucking dumb and doe-eyedTo be fair the 2nd part of my post was mostly responding to the guy who said "Oh come on stop demonising YoDa. Why do you think he did it in the first place? Imagine living on the bread crums progamers in korea do" And to say he's a kid it a little bit weird. Sure he's no hardened criminal and should hardly be lynched for what can easily be constructed as a dumb mistake of youthful ignorance, but MC speaks of him as this kid he took under his wing. YoDa is no longer this kid. He's 22. That's the age at which by ANY standard, youthful ignorance is no longer an excuse to hide behind. At 22, barring mental illness, you make your own decisions, you're your own man. And so why shouldn't we demonize him, because he's broke? Poor South Korean progamer, living on bread crums... Yeah whatever. not saying absolve yoda totally or trying to white knight him, but yes i do think there's something to saying someone is a "kid" at 22. maybe you'll be tried as an adult at 22, that's how the legal system works, but that doesn't make you in any way the emotional equal of someone who's even just several years older than you | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
Not saying this is the case with YoDa, maybe it was out of pure greed, maybe it was out of desperation, who knows. Point is we don't know the whole story yet. So don't be too quick to condemn and judge YoDa even though he looks bad right now. | ||
Destructicon
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MidnightZL
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