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On July 27 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
As i already said in the LR thread, this changes probably nothing (or VERY VERY little)
But hey it's something i guess
Viewers don't need the clock, so it doesn't matter anways
I pay quite a lot of attention to the clock. "If he would have gone for build X, Y would have happened by now" and so on.
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Austria24422 Posts
On July 27 2015 20:54 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing? they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start. what does the removal of the ingame clock change then? I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type.
Exactly.
Also what the hell kinda question is "how is it possible to bet on a game that's already being played"? It's called live betting and is probably the most popular form of betting there is.
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On July 27 2015 20:05 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway? right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"
Of course you can, you can also have your legs broken.
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On July 27 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
As i already said in the LR thread, this changes probably nothing (or VERY VERY little)
But hey it's something i guess
Viewers don't need the clock, so it doesn't matter anways
But I pay a ton of attention to the clock.
Gas Timings, 3rd Timings, attack timings, ect.
The clock matters in understanding strategies.
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On July 27 2015 20:54 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing? they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start. what does the removal of the ingame clock change then? I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type.
But you can bet real time and time it yourself or sth
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Why can't they just forbid illegal betting? 
On a serious note, it's a bit annoying but it doesn't really change anything so whatever. I hope it helps.
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I wonder if this does anything. The bet makers can do a real time bets instead of in-game time then no?
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On July 27 2015 22:27 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 20:54 OtherWorld wrote:On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing? they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start. what does the removal of the ingame clock change then? I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type. But you can bet real time and time it yourself or sth
And the bookie will believe you on your word ? Or will he be honest ? (illegal betting)
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On July 27 2015 20:05 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway? right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"
Can't you just look at the vods and check?
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Why do people say it doesn't change anything? At least it eliminates a little bit of betting.
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On July 27 2015 22:28 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 22:27 swissman777 wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 OtherWorld wrote:On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing? they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start. what does the removal of the ingame clock change then? I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type. But you can bet real time and time it yourself or sth And the bookie will believe you on your word ? Or will he be honest ? (illegal betting)
Well, there must be a referee or sth. Like maybe a timer site both betters can agree on. It's not that hard I think.
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Also keep in my mind. It's BLIZZARD TIME (because HotS). Not actual seconds so you can't compare to the vods.
On July 27 2015 22:36 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 22:28 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 27 2015 22:27 swissman777 wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 OtherWorld wrote:On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing? they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start. what does the removal of the ingame clock change then? I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type. But you can bet real time and time it yourself or sth And the bookie will believe you on your word ? Or will he be honest ? (illegal betting) Well, there must be a referee or sth. Like maybe a timer site both betters can agree on. It's not that hard I think.
Not that hard to think no. But something to think and to DO. So they will have to adapt and it will at least slow them down a little. May be a little somthing but at least it's something.
On July 27 2015 22:32 sharkie wrote:
Why do people say it doesn't change anything? At least it eliminates a little bit of betting.
Because that's the new (or not) trend. Complaining and pessimism.
On July 27 2015 21:43 marpis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
As i already said in the LR thread, this changes probably nothing (or VERY VERY little)
But hey it's something i guess
Viewers don't need the clock, so it doesn't matter anways I pay quite a lot of attention to the clock. "If he would have gone for build X, Y would have happened by now" and so on.
I do to. Especially when i'm not paying full attention or rarely LRing. But if this help against betting i won't miss the clock.
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No clock, no health bars... This is getting challenging.
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On July 27 2015 22:49 rotta wrote:
No clock, no health bars... This is getting challenging.
Not if you watch some BW from time to time. Because there's nothing but Supply and apm (and sometimes there's just one of 'em or even none).
After watching a whole tournament then go back to SC2 i was almost overwhelmed by the amount of informations you have in SC2 observing.
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That's some advanced betting system.
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The point of this is not to directly stop illegal betting, it is to make it easier to detect and therofore in the long run it will help to stop it and prevent it. Its sad not being able to see the clock because just like others have said it does matter, but whatever I'm not advanced enough to tell much from it anway. The players that hurt from this most is other pro-gamers I feel, in their enjoyment and analzing games.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51078 Posts
just bring back double blind lineups, it was pretty hype back when they did it(post savoir matchfixing scandal - end of BW PL)
then again they'll just try to bet on which player will come out on which map, but on the other hand it really removes players themselves from suspicion becasue they won't know who they'll play(they can guess based on map but I've seen some brilliant counter picks in those days too)
only thing bad about it was that players were pretty stressed out by it.
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On July 27 2015 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:
Also keep in my mind. It's BLIZZARD TIME (because HotS). Not actual seconds so you can't compare to the vods.
Are people really that bad at maths that they can't just use the 0.72 multiplier?
I am really curious as to what this is supposed to accomplish. If you really want to time it, you can just measure it in any other way (Video timer, stopwatch, sand clock, whatever), and change your bet to "before 4 minutes real time".
To me, it just seems to be an entirely pointless change. Maybe someone can enlighten me?
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On July 27 2015 23:10 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:
Also keep in my mind. It's BLIZZARD TIME (because HotS). Not actual seconds so you can't compare to the vods.
Are people really that bad at maths that they can't just use the 0.72 multiplier? I am really curious as to what this is supposed to accomplish. If you really want to time it, you can just measure it in any other way (Video timer, stopwatch, sand clock, whatever), and change your bet to "before 4 minutes real time". To me, it just seems to be an entirely pointless change. Maybe someone can enlighten me?
how do you want players to record real time ingame?
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