• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:15
CEST 19:15
KST 02:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy15ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research7Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Behind the scenes footage of ASL21 Group E BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F [ASL21] Ro24 Group E 🌍 Weekly Foreign Showmatches Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1370 users

Game clock removed from Proleague due to gambling

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:14:46
July 27 2015 11:03 GMT
#1
Starting on July 27th, the in-game clock has been removed from Proleague broadcasts.

SpoTV put up a caption before the matches saying the measure was in order to promote "clean esports culture," which is the broadcast appropriate way of saying "to counteract illegal betting and/or match-fixing."

While illegal Korean betting sites offer standard winner/loser bets, more complicated bets involving the length of a match have been said to have gained popularity as well. In a match-fixing context, such bets would have a smaller chance of detection than straight up win/loss fixing.

[image loading]

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
July 27 2015 11:04 GMT
#2
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
July 27 2015 11:04 GMT
#3
This is why we can't have nice things
Events Manager, Team Liquid - Creator of OlimoLeague
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:07:18
July 27 2015 11:05 GMT
#4
On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?


right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
July 27 2015 11:06 GMT
#5
Eh weird reaction since they can just stoptime things themselves if they care that much.

To be honest though i absolutely do not care one bit if i can see the ingame clock or not.
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50748 Posts
July 27 2015 11:15 GMT
#6
So can I expect double blind lineups for next season then?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
July 27 2015 11:18 GMT
#7
It can be bad for players that love to analyze games and vods, but if it can help to avoid illegal betting it is a positive thing
Vasacast always in my <3
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:27:13
July 27 2015 11:27 GMT
#8
Cover the minimap too! I make all my winnings off guessing spawn locations.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 27 2015 11:30 GMT
#9
:/ I noticed straight away, so annoying...
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:38:01
July 27 2015 11:37 GMT
#10
Now we are finally gonna know who are the live reports gods
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:41:00
July 27 2015 11:38 GMT
#11
How about just not show who is playing?

Btw korean sports channels not show game time or something. With my zerod expertese on the subject ill give the verdict that the decision was shit.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 27 2015 11:41 GMT
#12
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
July 27 2015 11:44 GMT
#13
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.
Commentator
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:54:03
July 27 2015 11:49 GMT
#14
I don't get the : "we don't care fighting what we already pitchforked for with pinnacle because it hurts our viewer experience" posts. Can someone explain ?

On July 27 2015 20:05 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?


right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"


And the bookie can also say : "nope it was 05:01 not before 05:00 so fuck you i keep the money (even if it was really 04:59 but you can't tell fucker)" especially because Blizzard's seconds
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 27 2015 11:50 GMT
#15
On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.


what does the removal of the ingame clock change then?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 27 2015 11:54 GMT
#16
On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.


what does the removal of the ingame clock change then?

I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 27 2015 12:20 GMT
#17
--- Nuked ---
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 27 2015 12:26 GMT
#18
As i already said in the LR thread, this changes probably nothing (or VERY VERY little)
But hey it's something i guess
Viewers don't need the clock, so it doesn't matter anways
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Grollicus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany287 Posts
July 27 2015 12:26 GMT
#19
On July 27 2015 21:20 Jathin wrote:
The change does nothing to affect the core problem: illegal gambling. Gamblers will simply adapt their bets to another aspect of the game. Kind of silly change imo.


Actually thats good promo i guess..
Read. | Show me your Healthbars
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
July 27 2015 12:42 GMT
#20
Very annoying change. Lots of lower league players exclusively rely on game clock to copy timings. Of course you can use supply as an indicator, but game clock does its own work. Seeing the hatchery go down 1-10 seconds earlier is part of the magic of PL.

2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
12:45
Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 611
ProTech125
MindelVK 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 23515
Calm 4812
Mini 818
EffOrt 746
Soma 235
ggaemo 187
firebathero 171
Rush 132
hero 87
HiyA 84
[ Show more ]
Shinee 28
Hyun 27
Aegong 22
Rock 14
soO 11
Sexy 11
IntoTheRainbow 11
Dota 2
canceldota180
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2318
fl0m1495
kRYSTAL_47
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 137
Other Games
FrodaN1587
Beastyqt683
ceh9411
DeMusliM238
C9.Mang0101
QueenE51
Trikslyr39
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3803
• TFBlade1105
Other Games
• imaqtpie260
• Shiphtur207
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 45m
RSL Revival
16h 45m
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-31
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.