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Game clock removed from Proleague due to gambling

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33662 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:14:46
July 27 2015 11:03 GMT
#1
Starting on July 27th, the in-game clock has been removed from Proleague broadcasts.

SpoTV put up a caption before the matches saying the measure was in order to promote "clean esports culture," which is the broadcast appropriate way of saying "to counteract illegal betting and/or match-fixing."

While illegal Korean betting sites offer standard winner/loser bets, more complicated bets involving the length of a match have been said to have gained popularity as well. In a match-fixing context, such bets would have a smaller chance of detection than straight up win/loss fixing.

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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
July 27 2015 11:04 GMT
#2
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?
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olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
July 27 2015 11:04 GMT
#3
This is why we can't have nice things
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33662 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:07:18
July 27 2015 11:05 GMT
#4
On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?


right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"
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Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
July 27 2015 11:06 GMT
#5
Eh weird reaction since they can just stoptime things themselves if they care that much.

To be honest though i absolutely do not care one bit if i can see the ingame clock or not.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51109 Posts
July 27 2015 11:15 GMT
#6
So can I expect double blind lineups for next season then?
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
July 27 2015 11:18 GMT
#7
It can be bad for players that love to analyze games and vods, but if it can help to avoid illegal betting it is a positive thing
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19369 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:27:13
July 27 2015 11:27 GMT
#8
Cover the minimap too! I make all my winnings off guessing spawn locations.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 27 2015 11:30 GMT
#9
:/ I noticed straight away, so annoying...
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:38:01
July 27 2015 11:37 GMT
#10
Now we are finally gonna know who are the live reports gods
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NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:41:00
July 27 2015 11:38 GMT
#11
How about just not show who is playing?

Btw korean sports channels not show game time or something. With my zerod expertese on the subject ill give the verdict that the decision was shit.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 27 2015 11:41 GMT
#12
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51659 Posts
July 27 2015 11:44 GMT
#13
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:54:03
July 27 2015 11:49 GMT
#14
I don't get the : "we don't care fighting what we already pitchforked for with pinnacle because it hurts our viewer experience" posts. Can someone explain ?

On July 27 2015 20:05 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?


right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"


And the bookie can also say : "nope it was 05:01 not before 05:00 so fuck you i keep the money (even if it was really 04:59 but you can't tell fucker)" especially because Blizzard's seconds
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 27 2015 11:50 GMT
#15
On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.


what does the removal of the ingame clock change then?
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 27 2015 11:54 GMT
#16
On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.


what does the removal of the ingame clock change then?

I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type.
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Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 27 2015 12:20 GMT
#17
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 27 2015 12:26 GMT
#18
As i already said in the LR thread, this changes probably nothing (or VERY VERY little)
But hey it's something i guess
Viewers don't need the clock, so it doesn't matter anways
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Grollicus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany287 Posts
July 27 2015 12:26 GMT
#19
On July 27 2015 21:20 Jathin wrote:
The change does nothing to affect the core problem: illegal gambling. Gamblers will simply adapt their bets to another aspect of the game. Kind of silly change imo.


Actually thats good promo i guess..
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
July 27 2015 12:42 GMT
#20
Very annoying change. Lots of lower league players exclusively rely on game clock to copy timings. Of course you can use supply as an indicator, but game clock does its own work. Seeing the hatchery go down 1-10 seconds earlier is part of the magic of PL.

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