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The Organizer's Alliance Against Absent Athletes

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feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-01 22:06:17
July 26 2015 16:34 GMT
#1
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The Organizer's Alliance Against Absent Athletes, or TOA for short, is an initiative by online tournament organizers to reduce the number of no-shows and mid-tournament drop outs by players. Numerous online events have suffered from players missing important matches, delaying or pre-maturely ending broadcasts, disappointing viewers, and even playing a large part in the end of numerous events like SHOUTcraft Clan Wars. Thus, the following tournament organizers are banding together to combat the problem through a new system we're calling Foreigner Jail.

Organizers

BasetradeTV
Feardragon
ASL
Olimoleague
Nathanias
Team Gravity Fight Night
Bacon Infinity
Kung Fu Cup
RSL



Foreigner Jail

Foreigner Jail is a system designed to create consequence for players that consistently no-show in an effort to reduce it.

For those who want the tl;dr:
  • Players receive strikes when they no-show, drop out of a tournament mid-way, or fail to cancel in the allotted amount of time set by tournament organizers(varies by event).
  • After 3 strikes, the player is put in Foreigner Jail for 2 months
  • Players in Foreigner Jail can’t sign up for any events made by any of the organizers, though they can finish existing commitments
  • Each strikes expires after 9 months(Strikes must expire before being removed! They are not removed just because you leave Foreigner Jail!)

THE FULL RULESET CAN BE FOUND HERE


THE SPREADSHEET TRACKING STRIKES CAN BE FOUND HERE



The Why

This is effectively a blacklist system for repeat offenders who no-show for tournaments with little to no notice, or drop out mid tournament. While it is with great hesitation and caution we implement such a system, we believe that the terms presented are fair and reasonable. If a player commits to playing in a tournament, showmatch or event, they are expected to show up and participate in the event or give some notice that they will be unable to.

When a player no-shows an event, there is a cost to the event organizer. Less broadcast time because of a no-show means less visibility for sponsors, less time opportunities for subscriptions to be purchased, less chance for viewership growth and brand awareness, etc.


Checks and Balances

With online tournaments being a fairly large portion of the events players can play in, there is a lot of power in a system that outright bans players from competing in them for a period of time. Because of this, we are putting together a small council that will approve/deny any 2nd or 3rd strikes to players for tournaments. This is a safety precaution to prevent a hopefully unlikely scenario that personal misgivings or bias come into play between an event organizer and a player. Evidence for any strike assigned must be provided for the strike council to review. Additional details of how the strike council will function is available in the rules linked above.

The strike council will consist of the following members:
  • Feardragon
  • Sabre
  • Olimoley



Q/A or "I have a problem"

If you have any questions or complaints, feel free to leave a message in this thread and we will address it. If you'd like to discuss a situation in private, you can reach out to anyone on the strike council and we will respond to you as soon as we can.

Any common questions will be included in this section so if you have any, ask away!

How do I Join The Organizer's Alliance?
      Currently, this organization is very new. We want to get a firm footing and iron out the kinks before we start growing this to include other organizations. We may take applications in the future. However, the list of players in "Foreigner Jail is public so feel free to use the list as you please.

What if I have a medical/family emergency that prevents me from playing
      Medical/family emergencies will be excused as stated in the rules.

Is this being applied retroactively to people who have broken the rules before this ruleset released
      No. We won't be holding players to a ruleset they had no way of knowing about until now. This ruleset will begin being enforced starting today though.

Why is it called Foreigner Jail? Is it only for foreigners or can Koreans be put in the jail too?
      It's really just a play on the old joke "kespa jail". Koreans can be put in it. The name was just too cute an opportunity to pass up using.

Is this a real thing or a joke?
      This is indeed an actual organization with a set of rules that will be enforced.
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Ariumtv
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States106 Posts
July 26 2015 16:38 GMT
#2
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hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
July 26 2015 16:40 GMT
#3
Nice initiative! I like it. Lets hope jail remains empty
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partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
July 26 2015 16:41 GMT
#4
I actually really like this, as it keeps players in check. My question would be, is this just starting now? or are you already giving "strikes" based on past behavior. I ask, as last Olimoleague like ALL the Samsung players didn't show up, and you have players like Major who have dropped out of tournaments more times then i can count.
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Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
July 26 2015 16:44 GMT
#5
If esports wants to be recognized as a Professional Sport, it is definitely necessary for players to behave professionally.

Totally agree with this movement.
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Kosko_s
Profile Joined December 2014
Malaysia24 Posts
July 26 2015 16:44 GMT
#6
Sounds good to me
It makes sense if you don't think about it.
rainbowlove
Profile Joined June 2015
2 Posts
July 26 2015 16:46 GMT
#7
I hope this actually works.

It could work well in TB's Clan Wars where numerous times ppl have no-showed
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
July 26 2015 16:48 GMT
#8
On July 27 2015 01:41 partydude89 wrote:
I actually really like this, as it keeps players in check. My question would be, is this just starting now? or are you already giving "strikes" based on past behavior. I ask, as last Olimoleague like ALL the Samsung players didn't show up, and you have players like Major who have dropped out of tournaments more times then i can count.


This will be starting as of today. I think the first event this will apply to will be Team Gravity Fight Night today and ASL starting tomorrow. We decided it wouldn't be fair to retroactively start assigning strikes for a ruleset that was not released.
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Yonan
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia12 Posts
July 26 2015 16:49 GMT
#9
Great stuff! Thanks to the casters and organizers involved for helping to improve the scene, and Feardragon especially for putting the effort in to get this going.
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
July 26 2015 16:51 GMT
#10
This is an awesome initiative. But honestly, I think you overdid it. You shouldn't put rules like "strike are removed after 3 months" because you are not sure what you will exactly need.

You should rather say "we are going to compile the no-shows and decide on a case-by-case basis", especially because I don't think there are hundreds of different cases.
SC2Towelie
Profile Joined July 2014
United States561 Posts
July 26 2015 16:53 GMT
#11
Honestly I can't believe this didn't happen years ago
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 26 2015 16:54 GMT
#12
Now we finally have foreigner jail, once again proving that foreigners are years behind Kespa
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Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
July 26 2015 16:56 GMT
#13
Good stuff - Gives a chance to the players to show why it's called Professional Gaming.
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Taari
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany138 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-26 16:57:12
July 26 2015 16:57 GMT
#14
Nice. I highly approve that.

One question though: I think, if someone has a car accident and proves it, when he is back from hospital e.g., strike deletion should be fair, right? I mean, ofc many no-shows are probably intentionally, but there might be some few things that can really be not your own fault, and it would be unfair to punish people far having a car accident, lol.

But I think, that was already considered. I just didn't read anyting of this, so, yeah. Just asking for safety.
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TheoMikkelsen
Profile Joined June 2013
Denmark196 Posts
July 26 2015 16:57 GMT
#15
Define no-show. Is that accepting a tournament checkin and then not showing or?
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hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
July 26 2015 16:58 GMT
#16
On July 27 2015 01:40 hewo wrote:
Nice initiative! I like it. Lets hope jail remains empty


And take the prison guards' jobs?

I don't think so, buddy!
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
July 26 2015 17:00 GMT
#17
Awesome.
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-26 17:07:16
July 26 2015 17:05 GMT
#18
On July 27 2015 01:51 fezvez wrote:
This is an awesome initiative. But honestly, I think you overdid it. You shouldn't put rules like "strike are removed after 3 months" because you are not sure what you will exactly need.

You should rather say "we are going to compile the no-shows and decide on a case-by-case basis", especially because I don't think there are hundreds of different cases.

This is definitely still very much a system that needs to be ironed out through real experience. The "strikes removed after 3 months" exists for two reasons. One is that we didn't want to penalize players for 2 months because they no-showed 3 times over the course of a very long period of time(like a year or two), so we wanted strikes to expire. The second reason ties into the fact that strikes expire after a longer period of time than the "jail time" is(3 months for strikes to expire, 2 months for jail time). This means there's an effective "probation" period for someone who goes to jail, where they still retain at least one strike(or more) for a month.

As mentioned, this is a system in trial. Adjustments will be made over time as we find problems.

On July 27 2015 01:57 Taari wrote:
Nice. I highly approve that.

One question though: I think, if someone has a car accident and proves it, when he is back from hospital e.g., strike deletion should be fair, right? I mean, ofc many no-shows are probably intentionally, but there might be some few things that can really be not your own fault, and it would be unfair to punish people far having a car accident, lol.

But I think, that was already considered. I just didn't read anyting of this, so, yeah. Just asking for safety.

As mentioned in the Q/A section, "Medical/family emergencies will be excused as stated in the rules." We will work with any players who give this as a reason to verify the situation. This is a pretty case-by-case basis thing so I don't want to list out too many "explicit rules" for it.

On July 27 2015 01:58 hansonslee wrote:
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On July 27 2015 01:40 hewo wrote:
Nice initiative! I like it. Lets hope jail remains empty


And take the prison guards' jobs?

I don't think so, buddy!

As the "jailer" who gets no pay for this, I would love to be unemployed.

Players, please leave me unemployed.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3499 Posts
July 26 2015 17:10 GMT
#19
Foreigner Jail sounds so freaking racist, I don't even..
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
July 26 2015 17:19 GMT
#20
Good idea, but too late imo. Foreigners arent really relevant in SC2 any longer.
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