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On July 27 2015 01:44 Kaizor wrote:
If esports wants to be recognized as a Professional Sport, it is definitely necessary for players to behave professionally.
Totally agree with this movement.
+1'd for truth. This is a good move for the better, feardragon, thanks for efforts in starting this movement.
I've heard, and read here on TL, that a few (pro) players have missed playing commitments and turned up late. Being someone who has helped create, setup and admin online events (though not in SC2), I can fully sympathise with both players and admins who have to face teething issues because players can't be bothered to appear/don't think they can win their bracket/don't want to lose their e-peen/don't "arrive" early enough for check-ins and so on.
For some players, it is only possible to play truly competitively in online cups (due to their lack of sponsorship/work or school commitments and other things, I would surmise), and having fellow players detract from that experience is a massive blow to them.
Once again, thanks to feardragon and co for starting this initiative.
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Is this intended for Pros, or for casual players that play in Lycan league etc?
2 Months seems too lenient considering the number of events most Pros actually play in.
On July 27 2015 04:39 thewhiskey wrote:
This is your solution? What a joke. And the naming of it only makes it worse... At least you could have thought a little about the signal you send.
Why not just put more effort into a healthy approach? Such as Creating events that players really want to attend and participate in so bad, that they don't want to drop out unless of a legitimate reason (last minute visa issues, transport problems etc.). Putting them in foreigner *host* stupid name *host* jail is such a victimising "solution". Also the perfect way to split the community and player-caster-organiser relationships.
I'm not sure what you think could reasonably be done besides offering thousands of dollars in prizes. Also, there currently is 0 reason to not sign up for everything, even if you can't attend- it's perfectly logical to do so, and there's no incentive you can offer to stop that. (Notably, you didn't offer any solutions yourself)
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When does this take effect?
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On July 27 2015 04:39 thewhiskey wrote:
Why not just put more effort into a healthy approach? Such as Creating events that players really want to attend and participate in so bad, that they don't want to drop out unless of a legitimate reason (last minute visa issues, transport problems etc.). Putting them in foreigner *host* stupid name *host* jail is such a victimising "solution". Also the perfect way to split the community and player-caster-organiser relationships.
If players don't want to attend the events, then why do they sign up for them? I have no problem with an event failing because no players wanted to participate and didn't sign up.
Also the "legit" issues you gave aren't relavent. These are online tournaments so last minute visa issues and transportion problems shouldn't be a concern. If players have a legitimate family or medical emergency sure, we'll be understanding. But there have been way too many instances where a player doesn't show up and their only excuse is "oh shoot, I forgot".
There's a cost to the organizer's not having players play their matches they agree to play. Time, money, sponsor relations, viewership enjoyment, etc. all suffer if the player "didn't feel like playing" or "forgot to show up". I think it's far from unreasonable for organizers to ask players to honor commitments made, or at least give due notice that you won't be able to make it more than 20 minutes INTO the event.
That's not expecting too much of someone. That's called expecting them to be an adult.
On July 27 2015 05:13 Arianity wrote:
Is this intended for Pros, or for casual players that play in Lycan league etc?
2 Months seems too lenient considering the number of events most Pros actually play in.
It'll be for anyone but for the Lycan League, this will only really be relavent if you make it more than 50% of the way through the tournament and then decide to drop out without a strong reason to do so. The only other situtaion would be if you qualify for the monthly final, accept the invite to it, and then no show without giving a heads up about it at least 36 hours in advance.
On July 27 2015 05:17 Solar424 wrote:
When does this take effect?
Today!
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This is pretty good, well done fellas 
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Looks good! Nobody likes quitters!
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I can't believe amount of positive responses this is getting. Things like this are the reason that player's unions exist in sports.
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On July 27 2015 05:34 Lucrania wrote:
I can't believe amount of positive responses this is getting. Things like this are the reason that player's unions exist in sports.
Enforcing players to show up to events doesn't seem remotely exploitive to me. That's what players unions exist for.
There's a lot of things in esports where players get taken advantage of, this isn't even close.
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lol naniwa will have a loyalty card.
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Pretty good stuff, pretty good stuff. It's nice to see tournament organizers collaborating too. Maybe soon they'll collaborate in order to bring new maps to their map pools?
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Good initiative. Will be interested to see if big tournament organisations follow suit.
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United States996 Posts
two big thumbs up on this one boys.
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On July 27 2015 05:40 Arianity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:34 Lucrania wrote:
I can't believe amount of positive responses this is getting. Things like this are the reason that player's unions exist in sports. Enforcing players to show up to events doesn't seem remotely exploitive to me. That's what players unions exist for. There's a lot of things in esports where players get taken advantage of, this isn't even close.
This just seems like a way for tournament organizers to control players. Feardragon, in all of his responses, makes it seem like he and the other tournament organizers part of this 'alliance' are entitled to any benefits they might receive the moment a player registers for their event; tournaments, showmatches, etc. It's important to remind them that athletes are the driving force behind viewership, sponsor interest in the scene, and the quality of tournaments overall. These rules won't make player's more "professional," but they will ensure that some players will flat out refuse to participate in tournaments that punish their players for being sick or changing their mind.
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Really good idea FearD, it is very annoying when people show up to see a certain player and they no show. Especially if you just get an explanation later like 'oh I slept through it' or something.
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isint it better for you guys to have many signups even if some dont show up for sponsors and stuff?
(really dont know, just asking)
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On July 27 2015 06:06 Lucrania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:40 Arianity wrote:On July 27 2015 05:34 Lucrania wrote:
I can't believe amount of positive responses this is getting. Things like this are the reason that player's unions exist in sports. Enforcing players to show up to events doesn't seem remotely exploitive to me. That's what players unions exist for. There's a lot of things in esports where players get taken advantage of, this isn't even close. This just seems like a way for tournament organizers to control players. Feardragon, in all of his responses, makes it seem like he and the other tournament organizers part of this 'alliance' are entitled to any benefits they might receive the moment a player registers for their event; tournaments, showmatches, etc. It's important to remind them that athletes are the driving force behind viewership, sponsor interest in the scene, and the quality of tournaments overall. These rules won't make player's more "professional," but they will ensure that some players will flat out refuse to participate in tournaments that punish their players for being sick or changing their mind.
Being extremely sick is safe under medical emergency. Changing your mind is only safe if you give advance notice. If you decide not to show up for work one day with no notice or reason besides, l changed my mind, you have to expect consequences. This is how the world works.
And yes. Players can feel free to not participate in our events if they think this is an unreasonable demand.
On July 27 2015 06:08 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
isint it better for you guys to have many signups even if some dont show up for sponsors and stuff?
(really dont know, just asking)
Kind of! For open bracket tournaments, we're not penalizing players for no-showing. That's really more for showmatches and longer running events.
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Great idea - glad to see something like this!
On July 27 2015 06:08 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
isint it better for you guys to have many signups even if some dont show up for sponsors and stuff?
(really dont know, just asking)
It's not just for people who don't show up to the first match. It's also for things like a player quitting half way through or being excessively late for a semi final or something.
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This is fantastic, much respect. Love the presentation and naming too
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