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http://s.163.com/15/0706/07/ATQSPTJL00314Q8M.html - official source.
translating now.
Short summary: It's unclear at the moment whose decision this was (toodming or his manager's) but his spot was forfeited, citing the MERS outbreak. The team asked if it would be acceptable to reseed him into the next season of SSL after the situation with MERS in Korea stabilizes and is properly quarantined.
More translation to come soon. This is a live report thread.
Personal assessment: previously in an interview with toodming I can tell you all that he believes that if his physical condition s not healthy, then his performance can be a bit weak.
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maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease
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On July 06 2015 18:40 BeStFAN wrote:
maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease
I live in China and I can tell you that there are no travel restrictions between China and Korea at the moment but some people are highly concerned about it despite what places like the WHO are saying. Most likely situation is that either he, his parents or his team were worried about it and he or they decided not to go.
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Snute the brave can survive this EZ 
Any idea if TooDming will be replaced in challenger or Rain gets a free bye? It's not yet mentionned in liquipedia.
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Someone mentioned in a previous thread (not sure which) that this would happen. Apparently they had watched Macsed's stream and he was saying that none of the Chinese organizations are willing to go to Korea during the outbreak, ZoO among them.
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On July 06 2015 19:53 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 18:40 BeStFAN wrote:
maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease I live in China and I can tell you that there are no travel restrictions between China and Korea at the moment but some people are highly concerned about it despite what places like the WHO are saying. Most likely situation is that either he, his parents or his team were worried about it and he or they decided not to go.
I thought MERS came from China
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On July 06 2015 20:50 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 19:53 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 18:40 BeStFAN wrote:
maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease I live in China and I can tell you that there are no travel restrictions between China and Korea at the moment but some people are highly concerned about it despite what places like the WHO are saying. Most likely situation is that either he, his parents or his team were worried about it and he or they decided not to go. I thought MERS came from China
MERS= Middle East respiratory syndrome
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On July 06 2015 21:14 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 20:50 swissman777 wrote:On July 06 2015 19:53 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 18:40 BeStFAN wrote:
maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease I live in China and I can tell you that there are no travel restrictions between China and Korea at the moment but some people are highly concerned about it despite what places like the WHO are saying. Most likely situation is that either he, his parents or his team were worried about it and he or they decided not to go. I thought MERS came from China MERS= Middle East respiratory syndrome
so it changes name if it affects another region ?
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Its a different virus than SARS which is what you are thinking about.
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On July 06 2015 21:22 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 21:14 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 20:50 swissman777 wrote:On July 06 2015 19:53 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 18:40 BeStFAN wrote:
maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease I live in China and I can tell you that there are no travel restrictions between China and Korea at the moment but some people are highly concerned about it despite what places like the WHO are saying. Most likely situation is that either he, his parents or his team were worried about it and he or they decided not to go. I thought MERS came from China MERS= Middle East respiratory syndrome so it changes name if it affects another region ?
If that was the case then it would be South Korean respiratory syndrome now that it is in Korea. MERS is not SARS if that's what you are thinking
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That's a shame. It's always nice to see Chinese players perform in Korea. There's a sad lack of contact in the premier leagues between the two country's teams.
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China6327 Posts
Well the same can be said for most of the Chinese teams...
The forfeit is indeed a weird decision though.
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Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them.
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On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them.
Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time.
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So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL?
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So, does Rain get a free seed for the tournament? Or is he supposed to prepare for an opponent 2-3 days before he plays in Challenger (which is fking absurd)?
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On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time.
Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol.
Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! 
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On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!!
Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ):
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On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL?
Or lilbow 
Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what
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On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ):
It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute.
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On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what
Lilbow and MLord to CJ pls
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Should choose Harstem because he's going to Korea anyway
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On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute.
That's the kind of logic that gets you killed.
A 2 in 1,000,000 chance is significant, though dealth is likely lower, as usually infants and elderly are more at risk of death.
Anyway, I dunno how bad this MERS stuff really is around there, so I hope the thread wasn't completely derailed with these theories.
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Very sad, but I understand it. Maybe the chinese government is not allowing person to go outside of China
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On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute.
Im sure it was a jest, but still ya gotta imagine it from their point of view. This is all thats on the news, all you hear about is the number of infected, the number dead, ya see all the people in bio suits, and then they talk about how they dont even know exactly how its passed from human to human. Along with memories of SARS, I can see how they would be timid. But yes, like you said, the odds are incredibly slim when you compare the population vs number infected, and like the other person mentioned, the people that are dying from it are elderly or have an existing health condition already impairing them.
I really hope Snute can make it passed innovation. He couldnt have drawn like shine or alive or hell even San?! Arrrgh, there overall history is 11-2 innovation, doesnt bode well, but I'm trying to have some faith 
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On July 07 2015 02:09 SuperHofmann wrote:
Very sad, but I understand it. Maybe the chinese government is not allowing person to go outside of China
As I said to the guy on page one, from someone living in China currently there are no travel restrictions from the Chinese government on Chinese citizens going to South Korea. There is a travel warning because of MERS but people are still allowed to go if they want.
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he was matched up vs Rain right?
if he gets seeded into the next one, hmmm they might give him Rain again for the rematch
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France9034 Posts
On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what
There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement 
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On July 07 2015 03:42 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement
Proleague rosters are locked at this point. This was discussed in the Invasion/SBENU partnership thread. Unless Kespa decided to change the rules no new players will be in proleague
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On July 07 2015 03:47 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:42 Ragnarork wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement Proleague rosters are locked at this point. This was discussed in the Invasion/SBENU partnership thread. Unless Kespa decided to change the rules no new players will be in proleague
Uh? Independently of SBENU which is a special case, CJ and KT added players between R1 and R2, SKT and MVP and KT and even Prime added some between R2 and R3, why couldn't other teams add new players between R3 and R4?
On July 07 2015 03:42 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement
A partnership would be nice. It will probably be with the weaker teams (Prime, MVP, or even Khan?), which is pretty nice because that way they could get playtime. On second thought it is very possible that it'd be Prime considering they already have a partnership with a Chinese team.
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China6327 Posts
On July 07 2015 03:42 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement
Don't think they can play in PL in round 4, the roster is locked after round 3.
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On July 07 2015 05:08 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:42 Ragnarork wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement Don't think they can play in PL in round 4, the roster is locked after round 3.
Damn I wasn't aware of that rule
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On July 07 2015 01:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. That's the kind of logic that gets you killed. A 2 in 1,000,000 chance is significant, though dealth is likely lower, as usually infants and elderly are more at risk of death. Anyway, I dunno how bad this MERS stuff really is around there, so I hope the thread wasn't completely derailed with these theories.
Most of the infection has been spread in hospitals where the staff have had to get close to the patient, the current thinking is that it's very hard to contract.
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Confusing move... So does Rain have a walkover to S2SL ? I'd LOVE to have a replacement, especially a foreigner who has a realistic shot at making it to Blizzcon, but I doubt there is time for the organizers and for the players to do such a thing...
Lilbow getting the invite would be so hype though, especially since his 2-0 vs Rain in HSC
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On July 07 2015 05:04 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:47 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 07 2015 03:42 Ragnarork wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 oGoZenob wrote:On July 06 2015 23:23 OtherWorld wrote:
So what'll happen to his seed? Given to someone else? A Korean? A foreigner? Wouldn't it be cool to see how one of the WCS Koreans (ideally Hydra) would fare in SSL? Or lilbow Yesterday on O'gaming stream there was a guy from Millenium saying that they were discussions about sending the two M guys to korea, but he didnt say if it was a partnership with another team or what There will be a partnership apparently, and the M players will be able to play in Proleague. Maybe they could get one of them to SSL as a replacement Proleague rosters are locked at this point. This was discussed in the Invasion/SBENU partnership thread. Unless Kespa decided to change the rules no new players will be in proleague Uh? Independently of SBENU which is a special case, CJ and KT added players between R1 and R2, SKT and MVP and KT and even Prime added some between R2 and R3, why couldn't other teams add new players between R3 and R4?
A KeSPA guy wrote in the thread that rosters are permanently locked after the start of Round 3. I don't remember his name but he has the KeSPA icon in the forum. Check the thread about SBENU and Invasion partnership
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On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute.
Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk.
Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that.
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On July 06 2015 20:50 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 19:53 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 18:40 BeStFAN wrote:
maybe it is chinese government who do not want citizen to return with disease I live in China and I can tell you that there are no travel restrictions between China and Korea at the moment but some people are highly concerned about it despite what places like the WHO are saying. Most likely situation is that either he, his parents or his team were worried about it and he or they decided not to go. I thought MERS came from China
No, that was SARS. MERS stands for "Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome." Regardless, I was in China during the whole swine flu thhing back in 2010. I told people I had already been in China for a year, not that I had just gotten off the plane, but they were still paranoid as hella bout me having it.
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Decision doesn't surprise me at all. I haven't looked it up but if the statistics quoted above is correct, 24/200 deaths is like 12%. That's really high.Looking up wiki, it seems breast cancer has ~11% mortality (in 5 years), Skin cancer ~9%, prostate 1%. And I'm sure you have all heard more noise about those cancers than MERS.
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On July 07 2015 01:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. That's the kind of logic that gets you killed.
Dunno why, but that made me lmao.
I would just mention that the average pro gamer probably doesn't go out much anyway. Though it would be shitty to fly to Korea and not see the sights.
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Well if Rain gets a walkover then...
  Rain vs   TooDming in in StarLeague Season 3 round of 24. Rain has the #1 Headband. Rain is at 99.99% Blizzcon Chances, with a 87.04% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 100%, or 99.99% if they lose. TooDming is at 0.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 12.96% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.01%, or 0% if they lose.
Congrats Rain for locking in your Blizzcon qualification! lol
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On July 07 2015 08:30 Dracover wrote:
Decision doesn't surprise me at all. I haven't looked it up but if the statistics quoted above is correct, 24/200 deaths is like 12%. That's really high.Looking up wiki, it seems breast cancer has ~11% mortality (in 5 years), Skin cancer ~9%, prostate 1%. And I'm sure you have all heard more noise about those cancers than MERS.
When I wrote the previous statistic, I was reading a Korean news article that stated 166 infected and 24 fatalities, which is about 14.5% and that was as of June 14th, but as of July 4th it has risen to 185 infected and 33 dead (18% fatality rate). Apparently they're pretty certain it comes from camels, but to them its basically like having a cold, where as its much more deadly to humans. The same news article claimed it has a 40% mortality rate, but doesnt specify that information..
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Viruses getting from one continent to another.. globalisation best thing eva!
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On July 07 2015 07:34 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk. Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that.
Yes, you do that because it's your job or it is interesting to you because of your job. And I'm aware that the death rate is high. But are you actually worried about snutes health? Do you think he is likely to die soon because of SARS? Is it justified that Otherworld is "scared for snute"? Should Teamliquid pull snute from SSL? (these are not rethorical questions, I'm interested in your answer)
Because one thing I've learned of the last few years is that common people (meaning "not epidemiologist or related professions") get waaaay to worried about these Infections. I'm not saying SARS is harmless, I'm saying there is no reason to be worried about the health of a player that resides in Korea because the chance that he gets infected in the first place is very, very low.
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Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us.
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On July 07 2015 01:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. That's the kind of logic that gets you killed. A 2 in 1,000,000 chance is significant, though dealth is likely lower, as usually infants and elderly are more at risk of death. Anyway, I dunno how bad this MERS stuff really is around there, so I hope the thread wasn't completely derailed with these theories.
No, it's not significant. That's the kind of logic that gets people panicing about completelly irrelevant threats, while taking their cars every day to drive on a road somewhere in a "safe" country, smoking and eating fast food.
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Out of topic, but why would any foreign player travel all the way to Korea only to be botched by top level Koreans in one best of five? It's not very educational because you'd rarely meet those kind of top-level players in WCS, unless you're really good (so I guess it's ok for snute?). It's better to focus beating those in your level first.
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The decision is made by both TooDming and his team, together; according to the article: "Zoo战队与TooDming经过慎重考虑正式宣布放弃本次韩国SSL个人联赛的种子邀请" Literal translation: Team Zoo and TooDming has made the decision to forfeit TooDming's SSL spot due to the MERS epidemic, after careful consideration.
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On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us.
There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here.
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On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here.
that you rather not talk in public ? Dude, this is the internet
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On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here.
Whats there to not talk about.
One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis.
There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia.
Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you.
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On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you.
Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China.
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On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China.
But we are like that only against the Japanese I would assume.
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On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China.
Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
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On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
That was uncalled for. Pretty sure we're not that mean and know that caucasians aren't that different. What kind of people were you hanging out with?
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On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone?
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damn first effort and now toodming. it's like they dont want money
edit: wait toodming was first
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On July 08 2015 17:41 ShurykaN wrote:
damn first effort and now toodming. it's like they dont want money
edit: wait toodming was first
not the same SSL ^^
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Gotta ask if his opponent being Rain played a role. Would he worry as much about MERS if he got to play aLive, San, or Heart? It probably is worth taking a mulligan on his opponent.
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On July 08 2015 17:34 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone?
It is more apparent in Eastern Asian countries especially among China, Korea and Japan, since they had a very complicated historical relationship, plus China's increasingly complex diplomatic struggle vs pretty much every country in the region.
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On July 07 2015 18:57 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 07:34 Judicator wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk. Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that. Yes, you do that because it's your job or it is interesting to you because of your job. And I'm aware that the death rate is high. But are you actually worried about snutes health? Do you think he is likely to die soon because of SARS? Is it justified that Otherworld is "scared for snute"? Should Teamliquid pull snute from SSL? (these are not rethorical questions, I'm interested in your answer) Because one thing I've learned of the last few years is that common people (meaning "not epidemiologist or related professions") get waaaay to worried about these Infections. I'm not saying SARS is harmless, I'm saying there is no reason to be worried about the health of a player that resides in Korea because the chance that he gets infected in the first place is very, very low.
Well if it's so low, would you go with him?
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On July 08 2015 21:43 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 17:34 OtherWorld wrote:On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone? It is more apparent in Eastern Asian countries especially among China, Korea and Japan, since they had a very complicated historical relationship,.
so did France and Germany
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On July 08 2015 16:50 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. That was uncalled for. Pretty sure we're not that mean and know that caucasians aren't that different. What kind of people were you hanging out with?
Sorry. I should have added this piece to my post:
There's always that one guy who says this or thinks this. The same way if you perhaps somehow facially disfigured, and most people have the decency not to stare or talk to you about it, then there's always that one moron who has to ask you about it.
Make sense now?
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On July 08 2015 22:39 chaos021 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 18:57 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 07:34 Judicator wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk. Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that. Yes, you do that because it's your job or it is interesting to you because of your job. And I'm aware that the death rate is high. But are you actually worried about snutes health? Do you think he is likely to die soon because of SARS? Is it justified that Otherworld is "scared for snute"? Should Teamliquid pull snute from SSL? (these are not rethorical questions, I'm interested in your answer) Because one thing I've learned of the last few years is that common people (meaning "not epidemiologist or related professions") get waaaay to worried about these Infections. I'm not saying SARS is harmless, I'm saying there is no reason to be worried about the health of a player that resides in Korea because the chance that he gets infected in the first place is very, very low. Well if it's so low, would you go with him?
Of course. I always wanted to go to Korea and Japan, but I lack the money.
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No one is concerned about MERS here.. I did hear though that the Chinese government is seeking an extremely large (billions of krw) settlement for the Korean who brought MERS to China originally.
When I read this news I was very saddened because life in Korea continues on normally. There are some health and safety checks at large crowded places monitoring body heat and for symptoms but it is really not a big deal.
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On July 09 2015 00:46 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 21:43 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 17:34 OtherWorld wrote:On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone? It is more apparent in Eastern Asian countries especially among China, Korea and Japan, since they had a very complicated historical relationship,. so did France and Germany
France and Germany don't have complicated relationships, though I don't think China, Korea and Japan do too. It's just Japan hasn't apologized its crimes against humanity in WWII to China and Korea and they hate Japan for it. Germany did and is very sorry for WWII and Japan doesn't officially seem to be.
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Asian geopolitics vis-a-vis Starcraft II. Sounds like a research paper.
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Just for context:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/m0dKcb5.png)
The worst of the outbreak seems to be gone since middle of June or so, but still the occasional case popping up.
For comparison, 16 people die every day in traffic accidents in South Korea. source. So while there is a reason to keep an eye on the outbreak in case it starts to grow again, at no point did the death rate come close to the traffic death rate. Unless things take a very serious turn for the worse, both TooDming and Snute should be far more worried about traffic accident than MERS.
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On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
Out of curiosity, is that a statement about amorous fidelity, intimate hygiene, or both?
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On July 09 2015 14:28 Ashent wrote:
No one is concerned about MERS here.. I did hear though that the Chinese government is seeking an extremely large (billions of krw) settlement for the Korean who brought MERS to China originally.
When I read this news I was very saddened because life in Korea continues on normally. There are some health and safety checks at large crowded places monitoring body heat and for symptoms but it is really not a big deal.
Actually this is why korea is getting critized pretty much everywhere in Asia, not just china.
Taiwan, hong kong, Vietnam etc news were reporting how poorly s korea handled the whole thing initially and this is why they are finally doing better after criticisms.
Of cause, these aren't baseless accusation, WHO also said the lack of responsiveness and reaction from the gov and SK people are going to make MERS worse than it should be.
There was a news about two Chinese students wearing mask in lectures in korea and the lecturer told them to get out or take off the mask.
People refusing to get quarantined and even took taxi back home. (eventually made illegal to refuse quarantine)
No clear announcement on which hospital handled MERS patients.
SK even offer compensation money if any tourist got infected by MERS (lol?)
Most people here don't understand that after SARS, the whole Asia is very sensitive in how to handle these because it was a huge problem.
Everyone worn mask pretty much daily for a few months and lots of lives were lost.
Most of us, especially Hong Kong are very strict in these standards, the government and the SK people ruined all reputation of SK. Not the media.
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