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Liquid`Bunny
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark145 Posts
May 11 2015 08:31 GMT
#41
From playing a few LotV archon tours i feel like it's a very fun experience, it's very different from normal 1v1 since you have someone to discuss the game with in real time. Should be fun
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
May 11 2015 08:34 GMT
#42
On May 11 2015 16:26 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 15:45 Rukis wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:41 showstealer1829 wrote:
I second varsovie's statement. I think Archon Mode is a cool idea but it has no place in competition, it just dumbs down the game when it doesn't need to be


Okay let get this straight having 4 pros duke it out in archon mode.. hold let me repeat myself for old times sakes. FOUR PROS DUKING IT OUT IN ARCHON MODE. would dumb it down? Please. Do you even watch 1v1 pro games?

Imagine Innovation doing the macro and defense at home while Maru microing the shit out of those bio and Cyclones.


Basically 2013 Innovation ?
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 11 2015 08:40 GMT
#43
Oh god that video

I don't know Kev
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shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
May 11 2015 08:42 GMT
#44
I hope this will have lot's of production value!

I want to hear the teams communication from the booth! Maybe even get a permanent translator to the casting table who can give insight on what the Koreans are saying!

Like someone said above - it would be cool if the observer interface could be updated so you have a "who controls what" toggle - just to see how the team is splitting their tasks and "who did this crazy micro action".

Hanfy
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany15 Posts
May 11 2015 08:43 GMT
#45
Why they dont do a 2on2 Tour
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
May 11 2015 09:11 GMT
#46
id prefer a 2v2 tournament then this
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 11 2015 09:28 GMT
#47
On May 11 2015 14:51 BruMeister wrote:
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On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote:
maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible!




How is it confusing? Perhaps I am alone on this, but I don't think you don't need to know what each player is doing. All you need to know is what each team is doing. Whether the match is good or not will determine my interest. Knowing who did what doesn't change my interest that much.

However, perhaps it would be neat to have different colored select ring underneath each unit so we can see who is doing what.


It's confusing because you miss out synergic play from standard one. in 2v2 for exemple you can SEE the synergy of a team that can result in superior engagements or decision making.

You can't know in archon mode if it's the case. So yes i would love to have something that can show dual micro battles from "micro battles". Imagine a sol player holding a 2player attack. That would be cool.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-11 10:05:39
May 11 2015 10:04 GMT
#48
Maybe imply something for archon mode, even when it makes it more confusing:

Like extended player colours, make it, that the units change the colours from maybe blue to light blue or red to orange, when either player a (blue) or player b(light blue) of the same archonteam gave the last order to the unit.

For example: If you would see how they split up army managment and economy, while the worker and buildings are all blue, the army would become light blue very fast.
Or a big blinkstalker ball and you would see the stalker changing colours with each blink all the time. Viewers would see, that both players use their combined skills for epic blink management.

The players themself wouldnt see that at all.
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KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-11 10:34:51
May 11 2015 10:29 GMT
#49
The hype will die really quickly once everyone will realise that archon mode does not belong in competitive sc2.
Even 4v4s or FFAs are more competitive lol.

2 progamers probably play worse than 1 in archon mode because they are more annoying to each other than they help. So the only thing it does is reducing the skill gap between the teams compared to the single players. So hype.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
May 11 2015 10:31 GMT
#50
What's the appeal, it's not like you see new levels of play by there being two players.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 11 2015 10:32 GMT
#51
On May 11 2015 18:28 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 14:51 BruMeister wrote:
On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote:
maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible!




How is it confusing? Perhaps I am alone on this, but I don't think you don't need to know what each player is doing. All you need to know is what each team is doing. Whether the match is good or not will determine my interest. Knowing who did what doesn't change my interest that much.

However, perhaps it would be neat to have different colored select ring underneath each unit so we can see who is doing what.


It's confusing because you miss out synergic play from standard one. in 2v2 for exemple you can SEE the synergy of a team that can result in superior engagements or decision making.

You can't know in archon mode if it's the case. So yes i would love to have something that can show dual micro battles from "micro battles". Imagine a sol player holding a 2player attack. That would be cool.

I swear you guys have some weird logic.

What synergic play? In 2v2? Most of top 2v2 I've seen are just a pile of units(usually mix of Air and ground because if both of them are going ground they don't have space to fight with all of those units) and you can't see jack shit because there are so many ground units and air units over them. It is fun at the start with harassment etc. and then the fun stops. Not even mentioning that in 2v2 people usually just mass certain type of units as they can compensate their weaknesses with the units of other player. So I've seen top games with mass Infestors, mass Swarm Hosts, mass Void Rays, mass Vikings while other player makes just ground etc... It's absolutely retarded.

Archon mode is literally expanded 1v1, it's not 2v2... You are watching 1v1 with just a lot more stuff going on, who cares which player is controlling what. Most of Archon mode games I've seen were really fun from the start until the end if players knew what they are doing and how to respond to the opponents strategy.

I can even understand that you guys don't like Archon mode, but then coming here and saying "hey, better not put some serious money on this", my brain starts to hurt.
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ThunderBum
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia192 Posts
May 11 2015 11:04 GMT
#52
I'm curious to see if archon mode is going to require a second observer and some split screen action to keep up - that'd give the game mode some unique to present to the audience. Everyone seems to assume there is going to be one macro player and one micro player but there's nothing stopping both players from attacking at the same time if they're communicating. I reckon it'd be awesome to watch archon games played by people who actively practise it to see just how powerful each race scales with more APM
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
May 11 2015 11:10 GMT
#53
I'd love to see this!

Terran is probably going to win it, but who knows!

I hope to see really cool micro intensive strategies from all races, close to not viable in normal 1v1s.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
May 11 2015 11:15 GMT
#54
Archon mode could result in very action packed games to watch. If the archon plays well as a team, we'd get constant harassment all over the map with focused micro. Meanwhile, bases are taken everywhere and a new army is ready right after the old one has been destroyed. However, I believe archon mode might favor Terran because they have the most harassment tools and lots of micro opportunities.
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
May 11 2015 11:36 GMT
#55
What is this thread. People saying Archon Mode is dumbed down? It has no place in competition? What the fuck. I'm not going to suggest it as the staple mode in star leagues but god damn people think for a second. You are going to get to see some of the most pristine micro and macro ever because two players are controlling. All that theoretical bullshit that could be done in a fight but just usually isn't worth the effort will now be happening at every turn. Insane splits, drop micro everything, perfect flanks/formations. I think at the very least it will prove to be exciting for those reasons.

It's also probably good publicity for LotV. It could end up attracting a newish playerbase to SC2. 1v1 is stressful for your average player so a tournament showcasing this new team mode might intrigue some people.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 11 2015 11:54 GMT
#56
On May 11 2015 12:33 varsovie wrote:
God please no....


why lol ... would be AMAAAAZING !
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NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
May 11 2015 12:17 GMT
#57
So instead of watching 1v1 the way it has been developed and practiced for thousands of hours, i can watch 1v1 that is not. If pro gamers dont really practice for this (they have better things to do) then it could be just awkward. The more you play the more you get used to macroing subconsciously as you focus army control, so having 2 players do both just one part does not just mean that they do both things twise as good as they have twise the potential APM, unless they really perfect it out.

I know that learning 2v2 would be even more demanding but those games should be interesting even at a lower level, because u know, its not the same thing that we normally watch.
DurandaL917
Profile Joined December 2010
United States92 Posts
May 11 2015 12:26 GMT
#58
I will definitely tune in ! I agree with Ramiz, 2v2 is not the way to go and I'm excited to see the level of play that can be reached in Archon mode while still enjoying a team dynamic.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 11 2015 12:51 GMT
#59
hope they'll do it for HotS.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
May 11 2015 13:05 GMT
#60
Why is everyone hating on this?

Sure there is potential for it to suck because the two players have trouble coordinating. But these are pro gamers. They spend their life perfecting their SC2 skills... you don't think they can sit down for a little bit and practice archon mode?

I think it would make for extremely entertaining harass focused games.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
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