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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/plfWxu1.jpg?1) Naterdam, the new casting archon At the conclusion of the Dota 2 Battlegrounds today, Red Bull hinted at a Archon Mode tournament for Sc2, though no details were disclosed. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/35k3v3/red_bull_battlegrounds_archon_mode_tournament/ 
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varsovie
Canada326 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44019 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:33 varsovie wrote: God please no.... Why not? It's a new and exciting way to play StarCraft, and it's probably the closest we'll ever get to competitive team matches. Hype!!!  | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why not? It's a new and exciting way to play StarCraft, and it's probably the closest we'll ever get to competitive team matches. Hype!!! I think they might be coming from the perspective of Archon mode being in LotV and the fact that LotV is horribly unbalanced and poorly design as of right now. Either way, I'm excited. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
maybe this will be the flavor of the month mode, but I bet they can squeeze a couple of good events out of it! | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Champi
1422 Posts
archon mode is the best | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I think they might be coming from the perspective of Archon mode being in LotV and the fact that LotV is horribly unbalanced and poorly design as of right now. Either way, I'm excited. Rob was tweeting a few weeks ago looking to see if Archon Mode was possible in HotS so I wouldn't be shocked if its the current game. | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
EDIT: Just watched the VoD. Call me gay but that was cute. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:54 Blargh wrote: Maybe for funsy matches, but please, don't put serious money on this... Funsy matches with production value are pretty sweet things though. I'm not thrilled about Archon mode, but I'm intrigued on at least a casual sense. And casual me loves him some sick map intros, well-enunciating english casters, and an efficiently-run tournament. | ||
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orllyfools
United States153 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:57 BreAKerTV wrote: I like the idea. Maybe we'll see foreign duos beating Korean duos on a regular basis? :D EDIT: Just watched the VoD. Call me gay but that was cute. Til they add archon mode in proleague. hahhahaha | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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MoonyD
Australia191 Posts
On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote: maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible! I completely agree with you. Perhaps a colour coding for each player would be good just so the audience can distinguish who is the one in control doing what. I agree with previous posts in that the game design atm is quite 'unbalanced' and there's a lot of flaws in the new units that will no doubt be abused by pro-gamers. Nonetheless, I'm sure the event will be incredibly fun. (Even if there won't be many protoss making it to the later stages of the tournament) Besides, it's a good way for the pro-gamers to connect with the fans and to basically muck up with the new units. | ||
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Supersamu
Germany296 Posts
But I guess the level of play will still only be marginally higher and not close to the potential of archon mode, since players haven't traine much archon mode. | ||
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BruMeister
United States90 Posts
On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote: maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible! How is it confusing? Perhaps I am alone on this, but I don't think you don't need to know what each player is doing. All you need to know is what each team is doing. Whether the match is good or not will determine my interest. Knowing who did what doesn't change my interest that much. However, perhaps it would be neat to have different colored select ring underneath each unit so we can see who is doing what. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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GiveMeCake
148 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote: maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible! I think the added enjoyment is supposed to come from the crazy plays resulting from one player worrying about nothing but micro. | ||
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Rukis
United States252 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:41 showstealer1829 wrote: I second varsovie's statement. I think Archon Mode is a cool idea but it has no place in competition, it just dumbs down the game when it doesn't need to be Okay let get this straight having 4 pros duke it out in archon mode.. hold let me repeat myself for old times sakes. FOUR PROS DUKING IT OUT IN ARCHON MODE. would dumb it down? Please. Do you even watch 1v1 pro games? | ||
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Antonidas
United States105 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10664 Posts
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
On May 11 2015 15:45 Rukis wrote: Okay let get this straight having 4 pros duke it out in archon mode.. hold let me repeat myself for old times sakes. FOUR PROS DUKING IT OUT IN ARCHON MODE. would dumb it down? Please. Do you even watch 1v1 pro games? Imagine Innovation doing the macro and defense at home while Maru microing the shit out of those bio and Cyclones. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On May 11 2015 16:18 GGzerG wrote: Interesting... but the new casting archon? Not possible! Tastosis foreva It's not like there's only one Archon. Bitterdam was an Archon, Zepphnarde is the Archon of Australia, you could say that there's an Archon in EU casting if the names weren't all terrible for making Archons out of. Tastosis is just the original Archon, not the only one. EDIT: I just watched the clip. Red Bull. You ended with "More Info Coming Soon (Ish)". You didn't go with Soon (TM)? Really? | ||
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Durenas
Canada45 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On May 11 2015 15:45 Rukis wrote: Okay let get this straight having 4 pros duke it out in archon mode.. hold let me repeat myself for old times sakes. FOUR PROS DUKING IT OUT IN ARCHON MODE. would dumb it down? Please. Do you even watch 1v1 pro games? Yes. Because Archon Mode is a dumbing down of the actual game. Whether Pros or Casuals play the mode is irrelevant. To use a line from earlier, maybe I'm alone on this but to me if I wanted to see a dumbed down, casual mode game played by pros I'd be watching Dota by now | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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YuiHirasawa
Japan220 Posts
Go Red Bull. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote: maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible! I don't really see the spectator value either. It'll be like a normal 1on1 with flawless macro and overall fewer mistakes, but I don't see what will be much different from 1on1. Some say that archon will encourage more harass as you got more time for micro, but you got more time for micro in defense as well. Not sure that more time for micro in both offense and defense will favour the aggressive player that much. But well, I'm all for trying it out and see how it goes. Proper 2on2 though, THAT is great for spectators, far beyond silly archon mode imo. Here there is no doubt that harass and aggressive play is favoured, as the offensive players can 2on1 one of the defenders, and even a single player harassing will have twice as many bases to harass, ie forcing twice the static defense, etc. 2on2 encourages map control and harass soooo much more than any 1on1 economy change or archon mode or whatnot. Go and watch some of the 2o2n tourneys, they are great!  Archon mode seems like fun to play though, specially for noobies that can feel pro I imagine. | ||
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Biedrik
United States94 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
I do think archon mode is overhyped. The only chance at getting the great team synergy ppl are expecting would be at least 2 weeks of archon practice. And realistically, most pros aren't going to do that unless there is a serious prize pool. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On May 11 2015 17:23 TRaFFiC wrote: Anything not 1v1 sounds innovative and exciting to me. Not sure if it will sell to the average viewer though. I do think archon mode is overhyped. The only chance at getting the great team synergy ppl are expecting would be at least 2 weeks of archon practice. And realistically, most pros aren't going to do that unless there is a serious prize pool. You mean something you might get from a big-name event? Like a Red Bull Battle Grounds? | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
I'd like to watch Archon mode tournaments before calling it bad/irrelevant/boring  | ||
Liquid`Bunny
Denmark145 Posts
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Philozovic
France1676 Posts
On May 11 2015 16:26 digmouse wrote: Imagine Innovation doing the macro and defense at home while Maru microing the shit out of those bio and Cyclones. Basically 2013 Innovation ? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
I don't know Kev | ||
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
I want to hear the teams communication from the booth! Maybe even get a permanent translator to the casting table who can give insight on what the Koreans are saying! Like someone said above - it would be cool if the observer interface could be updated so you have a "who controls what" toggle - just to see how the team is splitting their tasks and "who did this crazy micro action". | ||
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Hanfy
Germany15 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On May 11 2015 14:51 BruMeister wrote: How is it confusing? Perhaps I am alone on this, but I don't think you don't need to know what each player is doing. All you need to know is what each team is doing. Whether the match is good or not will determine my interest. Knowing who did what doesn't change my interest that much. However, perhaps it would be neat to have different colored select ring underneath each unit so we can see who is doing what. It's confusing because you miss out synergic play from standard one. in 2v2 for exemple you can SEE the synergy of a team that can result in superior engagements or decision making. You can't know in archon mode if it's the case. So yes i would love to have something that can show dual micro battles from "micro battles". Imagine a sol player holding a 2player attack. That would be cool. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Like extended player colours, make it, that the units change the colours from maybe blue to light blue or red to orange, when either player a (blue) or player b(light blue) of the same archonteam gave the last order to the unit. For example: If you would see how they split up army managment and economy, while the worker and buildings are all blue, the army would become light blue very fast. Or a big blinkstalker ball and you would see the stalker changing colours with each blink all the time. Viewers would see, that both players use their combined skills for epic blink management. The players themself wouldnt see that at all. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
Even 4v4s or FFAs are more competitive lol. 2 progamers probably play worse than 1 in archon mode because they are more annoying to each other than they help. So the only thing it does is reducing the skill gap between the teams compared to the single players. So hype. | ||
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thezanursic
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On May 11 2015 18:28 FFW_Rude wrote: It's confusing because you miss out synergic play from standard one. in 2v2 for exemple you can SEE the synergy of a team that can result in superior engagements or decision making. You can't know in archon mode if it's the case. So yes i would love to have something that can show dual micro battles from "micro battles". Imagine a sol player holding a 2player attack. That would be cool. I swear you guys have some weird logic. What synergic play? In 2v2? Most of top 2v2 I've seen are just a pile of units(usually mix of Air and ground because if both of them are going ground they don't have space to fight with all of those units) and you can't see jack shit because there are so many ground units and air units over them. It is fun at the start with harassment etc. and then the fun stops. Not even mentioning that in 2v2 people usually just mass certain type of units as they can compensate their weaknesses with the units of other player. So I've seen top games with mass Infestors, mass Swarm Hosts, mass Void Rays, mass Vikings while other player makes just ground etc... It's absolutely retarded. Archon mode is literally expanded 1v1, it's not 2v2... You are watching 1v1 with just a lot more stuff going on, who cares which player is controlling what. Most of Archon mode games I've seen were really fun from the start until the end if players knew what they are doing and how to respond to the opponents strategy. I can even understand that you guys don't like Archon mode, but then coming here and saying "hey, better not put some serious money on this", my brain starts to hurt. | ||
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
Terran is probably going to win it, but who knows! I hope to see really cool micro intensive strategies from all races, close to not viable in normal 1v1s. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Footler
United States560 Posts
It's also probably good publicity for LotV. It could end up attracting a newish playerbase to SC2. 1v1 is stressful for your average player so a tournament showcasing this new team mode might intrigue some people. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On May 11 2015 12:33 varsovie wrote: God please no.... why lol ... would be AMAAAAZING ! | ||
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
I know that learning 2v2 would be even more demanding but those games should be interesting even at a lower level, because u know, its not the same thing that we normally watch. | ||
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DurandaL917
United States92 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Sure there is potential for it to suck because the two players have trouble coordinating. But these are pro gamers. They spend their life perfecting their SC2 skills... you don't think they can sit down for a little bit and practice archon mode? I think it would make for extremely entertaining harass focused games. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On May 11 2015 19:32 Ramiz1989 wrote: I swear you guys have some weird logic. What synergic play? In 2v2? Most of top 2v2 I've seen are just a pile of units(usually mix of Air and ground because if both of them are going ground they don't have space to fight with all of those units) and you can't see jack shit because there are so many ground units and air units over them. It is fun at the start with harassment etc. and then the fun stops. Not even mentioning that in 2v2 people usually just mass certain type of units as they can compensate their weaknesses with the units of other player. So I've seen top games with mass Infestors, mass Swarm Hosts, mass Void Rays, mass Vikings while other player makes just ground etc... It's absolutely retarded. Archon mode is literally expanded 1v1, it's not 2v2... You are watching 1v1 with just a lot more stuff going on, who cares which player is controlling what. Most of Archon mode games I've seen were really fun from the start until the end if players knew what they are doing and how to respond to the opponents strategy. I can even understand that you guys don't like Archon mode, but then coming here and saying "hey, better not put some serious money on this", my brain starts to hurt. I love 2on2, so I'm biased, but I really can't make sense out of your post. :/ I feel you are taking down your own arguments... "What synergetic play?" "they can compensate their weaknesses with the units of other player" "You are watching 1v1 with just a lot more stuff going on" "Most of top 2v2 I've seen are just a pile of units" I mean... The argument that both archon and 2on2 makes is that you will see more things happening. And I think it is true in both cases, but I think it's much more true in the case of 2on2 with both players having access to a full side, although archon mode ofc isn't very explored yet. There is no reason why a late-game 2on2 should be more passive or more "retarded" than a n archon late-game... The other way around, 2on2 will have access to two tech trees and so many new combination that the archon team can't get. And yes, the compositions of the allies will complement each other, but I fail to see how that is a problem. >_> I agree that it can get cluttered if you stack two maxed armies on top of each other, but I haven't experienced it as a big problem, I actually kindof like the bigger more epic battles. Anyway, I'm happy that they give some love to archon mode! I'm just a bit jealous that they don't give love to 2on2 as well. | ||
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Chylvain
France43 Posts
I prefer the mod (don't remember the name) when someone control eco and the other micro. It would be more interesting. Or something like a 2v2 (random) with this mod + a spectator. You need 2 teams of 5 players : 2 of them are MACROer, 2 other are MCROer and you add a spectator (of course he can only see the vision of his own team). Please tell me my idea is genius. | ||
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spoonmaster
United States347 Posts
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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neteX
Sweden285 Posts
On May 11 2015 13:56 Dodgin wrote: I liked the dbz fusion dance. Event should be interesting haha same here actually ;D | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On May 11 2015 16:38 showstealer1829 wrote: Yes. Because Archon Mode is a dumbing down of the actual game. Whether Pros or Casuals play the mode is irrelevant. A game where each side has 1000 APM, potentially enabling plays on a new level => dumbing down the actual game. yep. On May 11 2015 16:38 showstealer1829 wrote: To use a line from earlier, maybe I'm alone on this but to me if I wanted to see a dumbed down, casual mode game played by pros I'd be watching Dota by now "lol" Shouldn't you be watching BW? Why do you even care about SC2, the dumbed down game? | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On May 11 2015 22:12 Cascade wrote: I love 2on2, so I'm biased, but I really can't make sense out of your post. :/ I feel you are taking down your own arguments... "What synergetic play?" "they can compensate their weaknesses with the units of other player" "You are watching 1v1 with just a lot more stuff going on" "Most of top 2v2 I've seen are just a pile of units" I mean... The argument that both archon and 2on2 makes is that you will see more things happening. And I think it is true in both cases, but I think it's much more true in the case of 2on2 with both players having access to a full side, although archon mode ofc isn't very explored yet. There is no reason why a late-game 2on2 should be more passive or more "retarded" than a n archon late-game... The other way around, 2on2 will have access to two tech trees and so many new combination that the archon team can't get. And yes, the compositions of the allies will complement each other, but I fail to see how that is a problem. >_> I agree that it can get cluttered if you stack two maxed armies on top of each other, but I haven't experienced it as a big problem, I actually kindof like the bigger more epic battles. Anyway, I'm happy that they give some love to archon mode! I'm just a bit jealous that they don't give love to 2on2 as well. Bigger and more epic Battles can happen in WC3 and SCBW, not in SC2 where everything disappears in matter of seconds and where everything stacks into a blob of death... These clusterfucks are just uninteresting to watch by most players because most of the SC2 players were pretty vocal about removal of death balls from SC2(which is exactly how you would describe 2v2's big fights) and if they disagree with that, then they are just being hypocritical. As I said unlike in Archon mode, you don't have a feeling that 2v2 has overall more actions all around the map, just that there are a lot more units. I am somewhat fine with 2v2 turning into a 1v1 + 1v1, but that rarely happens because of the maps and how in most of them allies are really close that you have to attack both of them at the same time, which just results into a big chunk of units where you can't even see what is happening. There is synergy between units but when you say synergy I think about something like Fungal + Psi Storm, Medivacs healing Zerg units, and some other cool tricks with mechanics and abilities. Even though there is synergy with for example Marines dishing out damage while Zealots soak damage for them, it isn't exactly what I would call interesting. This is something that even you can re-create with single race, but problem is that you don't have enough supply to do so and then we are back to previous paragraph where I said that 2v2 just feels like having a ton more units and that's it. Synergies definitely can happen, but why bother, when one player can make just Marines and Tanks while other is making just Phoenixes and Void Rays(just an example). There are a lot of reasons why 2v2 is worse than 1v1 in my eyes, but we obviously like different things which is why you don't think that those things make 2v2 worse at all. Again, Archon feels like an expanded solo, 1v1 pushed to the whole new level where you can expand, macro, attack, harass multiple locations at the same time, like a very very high level 1v1 game. You still have to constantly scout, read what your opponent is doing, prepare for different attacks, tech switches etc. In 2v2 I think that a lot of these aspects have been taken away. Very rarely there was a 2v2 game that I've watched that was really good or that I could take it seriously. If only it turned more into 1v1 + 1v1 game than standard "make big chunk of units and attack" it would have been great. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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KtJ
United States3514 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On May 11 2015 14:51 BruMeister wrote: How is it confusing? Perhaps I am alone on this, but I don't think you don't need to know what each player is doing. All you need to know is what each team is doing. Whether the match is good or not will determine my interest. Knowing who did what doesn't change my interest that much. However, perhaps it would be neat to have different colored select ring underneath each unit so we can see who is doing what. part of watching SC as a sport is knowing a little bit about who the player is, their personality, background, the team they're on, etc. that's one of the main things casters and fans talk about during matches. if you would like watching 1v1s without having any idea who the players are that's great for you, but for me it removes a lot of the humanity and excitement to not have a real sense of the person behind the units. having a 50% chance of knowing isn't much better | ||
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Tuczniak
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On May 12 2015 02:14 Tuczniak wrote: While archon is fun, I would be rather interested in mixed league where 1v2s are common. The rules would have to be thought out very well so strategy comes into play. Korea vs The World. 1v2. To see if Korea is at least twice as good as The World. LET'S GO. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Shin_Gouki
United States313 Posts
I like the idea for friends, but I definitely can see how this would slightly decrease the skill cap. For starters, you could have each individual player micro special units, which would help keep them alive. It would also be easier for both players to keep tabs on the economy and production cycles, as well as scouting information. Another thing to keep in mind though; sc2 would be more action packed potentially. Think about it: You could harass/deflect harassment more often. Players can dedicate small roles to each other to maximize builds. And one person could focus purely on the micro aspect, while the other player sets up the mid/late game. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On May 11 2015 23:16 Arnstein wrote: I love that people are negative already. Archon mode will get more people to play StarCraft, which is a GOOD thing, and if you don't like watching it, then don't watch it. Exactly this. Starcraft has a very huge purist and inferiority complex though, as an eSport. The community divided when SC2 came out. They were the most loudly *against* their own game during Broodlord/Infestor, or any time Protoss aren't by far the worst race (or strange times like now when it's balanced). Showing the game to an outsider is really frustrating - "why does everyone in the chat hate this game?" "I don't know man, it's good though, just watch anyway". We're extremely negative - in no other eSport (except maybe LoL) is there so much discussion over how the losing player "threw" or "went foreigner" the game when he lost. There's so much less recognition of good wins and good play than bad ones. The community isn't *quite* as toxic towards each other as well-known toxic communities like LoL, but it's close. We seem like a little band of weird masochists when compared to DotA2 or CS:GO fans. Team modes and leagues only increase participation and viewership (thus, money) for the sport. Stop hating every change, and stop talking shit about the game constantly. Just look at the viewer numbers to the right - CS:GO has 100k and it's just a random weekday league. The big reasons for that is that it's easy to follow a team over a player, the community is more supportive(sorry guys), and it's a team game. Also betting skins, but, meh. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:20 Crownlol wrote: Team modes and leagues only increase participation and viewership (thus, money) for the sport. Stop hating every change, and stop talking shit about the game constantly. Just look at the viewer numbers to the right - CS:GO has 100k and it's just a random weekday league. The big reasons for that is that it's easy to follow a team over a player, the community is more supportive(sorry guys), and it's a team game. Also betting skins, but, meh. i may not have read every post in this thread but i didn't see anyone "shitting" on this, only people (including myself) raising concerns about whether archon mode is fun to watch or has a quality observer setup for spectating. i'm not going to fawn over something i don't find interesting or exciting to artificially inflate some conception of community support. frankly i don't give about how this community compares to that of other games i don't watch, i'm posting honest feedback and honest opinions | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On May 12 2015 02:34 OtherWorld wrote: Korea vs The World. 1v2. To see if Korea is at least twice as good as The World. LET'S GO. This and the normal archon mode sounds cool. I just hope standard of gameplay actually rises because of this | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Like.. both of them talk into one mic. | ||
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ManDudeBroGuy
1 Post
Whoever said, "don't throw serious money at this" LOL, fuck off dude. What a selfish thing to say. | ||
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MinKi
Korea (South)151 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On May 12 2015 06:29 brickrd wrote: i may not have read every post in this thread but i didn't see anyone "shitting" on this, only people (including myself) raising concerns about whether archon mode is fun to watch or has a quality observer setup for spectating. i'm not going to fawn over something i don't find interesting or exciting to artificially inflate some conception of community support. frankly i don't give about how this community compares to that of other games i don't watch, i'm posting honest feedback and honest opinions On May 11 2015 12:33 varsovie wrote: God please no.... On May 11 2015 12:41 showstealer1829 wrote: I second varsovie's statement. I think Archon Mode is a cool idea but it has no place in competition, it just dumbs down the game when it doesn't need to be On May 11 2015 12:54 Blargh wrote: Maybe for funsy matches, but please, don't put serious money on this... On May 11 2015 13:57 brickrd wrote: maybe i'm alone on this, but i don't think archon mode is fun to watch at all. unless they come up with a good observer UI that helps the viewer understand which player is doing what, it's just confusing. there's no added enjoyment from watching a team of two players if the distinction between them is invisible! On May 11 2015 19:29 KingAlphard wrote: The hype will die really quickly once everyone will realise that archon mode does not belong in competitive sc2. Even 4v4s or FFAs are more competitive lol. 2 progamers probably play worse than 1 in archon mode because they are more annoying to each other than they help. So the only thing it does is reducing the skill gap between the teams compared to the single players. So hype. | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On May 11 2015 14:02 MoonyD wrote: I completely agree with you. Perhaps a colour coding for each player would be good just so the audience can distinguish who is the one in control doing what. I agree with previous posts in that the game design atm is quite 'unbalanced' and there's a lot of flaws in the new units that will no doubt be abused by pro-gamers. Nonetheless, I'm sure the event will be incredibly fun. (Even if there won't be many protoss making it to the later stages of the tournament) Besides, it's a good way for the pro-gamers to connect with the fans and to basically muck up with the new units. BW had selection circles of a player's color around units, even though the units were of a team's color. Here's a SC2 version: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/167387-team-melee You can see red marines with different color selection circles around them, indicating who's the controller. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
well from my point of view i am excited to see this in action. Although it will be even more harder to keep up with all the action on the map for observers. | ||
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Mekare
Germany393 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
Toronto WCS Qualifier June 26th, 2015 Pre-Show 1:30 PM PDT Matches Begin 2:00 PM PDT June 26-28 Toronto Qualifier I really hope someone will cast this. | ||
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stardog
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44019 Posts
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